2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders Adviser Says Campaign May Have To 'Reevaluate' After Tuesday
"If we think we've made enough progress, then we'll keep on the path that we're on," Devine said. "If we think we have to, you know, take a different way or reevaluate, you know, we'll do it then. But right now, we think the best path beyond is the one we laid out months ago."
That path involves winning a lot in the weeks ahead and finally overtaking Clinton in pledged delegates in June. Although some in Sanders' orbit are talking about a fight at the convention in July, Devine said the only winning strategy is for Sanders to come out ahead in pledged delegates. And that won't be easy.
Right now, the Clinton campaign and other Democrats are getting worried that some of Sanders' attacks are going to leave a mark that will hurt her in the general election, should she be the nominee. Sanders raised significantly more money than Clinton in March and has been able to outspend her on television ads in state after state. To maintain her lead, Clinton has to keep campaigning hard, running ads and not fully turning her attention to the general-election fight.
Elleithee said the way Sanders and his surrogates handle the next month-and-a-half will determine his campaign's legacy.
"People ought to feel good about what he did," Elleithee said. "The problem is too often campaigns in this position end up squandering a lot of that goodwill as part of the end game."
The hard part is knowing when the end game has begun.
http://www.npr.org/2016/04/23/475326726/sanders-adviser-says-campaign-may-have-to-reevaluate-after-tuesday
jimmy_crack_corn
(79 posts)The Bernie supporters are pro Bernie as opposed to Anti-Hillary because:
He isn't about power or position for himself but is for the people and his platform speaks volumes to what he has consistently fought for throughout his political career.
Hillary is about power, position, and financial self gain as she has flipped-flopped throughout her career to gain power and the benefits it yields. TO name a few ...a Goldwater girl....anti gay marriage ... super predators...NAFTA...Iraq... TPP..etc.
So if Hillary ends up with the nomination it will likely be a republican win because of the Ralph Nader effect as there are many Bernie supporters that might shift to Dr. Jill Stein whose platform is close to what Bernie's is.
Picking the lesser of two evils is not necessarily a choice people of conviction do.
And even if Hillary adopts Bernie's platform, there is the question of trust.. For what we have seen from Hillary career is that she will say one thing publicly and do another privately for power and wealth not to mention her Slash and Burn (Bern), Then Worry About Party Unity Later
MADem
(135,425 posts)in the first place.
They'll vote Trump or Green, or write in. But in any other year, they'd probably not even bother to turn up.
You can think what you want about who will win this contest--but I think more Republicans will stay home if Trump is the nominee, than new voters/activated voters will bow out "Because Bernie."
But it's your vote! Stay home and stew, if it makes you feel good!
President Hillary Clinton will still take the oath next January.
jimmy_crack_corn
(79 posts)I am not sure the independents & crossovers will vote for her irrespective of what she says because even if Hillary adopts Bernie's platform, there is the question of trust.. For what we have seen from Hillary career is that she will say one thing publicly and do another privately for power and wealth not to mention her Slash and Burn (Bern), Then Worry About Party Unity Later plan.
So if Hillary ends up with the nomination it will likely be a republican win because of the Ralph Nader effect. There are many Bernie independents & crossovers supporters that might shift to Dr. Jill Stein whose platform is close to what Bernie's is.
The results might look more like a mid-term loss
MFM008
(19,816 posts)You sound gleeful about the possibility of another election 2000.
That will show HRC, and her supporters and Nancy Pelosi and Debbie W. Schultz.
Party purists are going to be real REAL sorry if a republican gets in there, because of stubbornness.
How do you know Sanders isn't in it for himself? You dont run for president if you dont WANT the powers.
Your also assuming he will have a democrat senate and house. He wont get CRAP done without one.
I started out voting for Reagan, so NONE of us can ever change our minds about positions or people?
If there is any question of TRUST its in your own minds. 25 years of republican lies and way left unhappiness
with more moderate dems is the problem.
Because you so can TRUST the republican party. They never LIE, CHEAT or STEAL.
Right now Charles Koch is trying to influence the election by making it sound like Clinton is terrific for them.
Hes only spending millions trying to defeat all democrats, but lets believe what he says, because..
Sanders.
jimmy_crack_corn
(79 posts)Hillary will face in spades.. and worse she never had the Title "Amendment King"
Bernie would fare far better than Hillary with a GOP House & Senate.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)And needs to stop blaming Sanders and belittling people that support Sanders.
Don't insult my intelligence or anyone else and say you are against things like Citizens United and unlimited money in politics and then literally do all the things you say you are against and tell me it only corrupts or influences other people, not me, I'm ok, I'm a good person. I'll call you a liar.
MADem
(135,425 posts)angrychair
(8,702 posts)"Any answer that avoids the stated point. Snark or rudeness being the most likely".
I'll state it again:
Don't insult my intelligence or anyone else and say you are against things like Citizens United and unlimited money in politics and then literally do all the things you say you are against and tell me it only corrupts or influences other people, not me, I'm ok, I'm a good person. I'll call you a liar.m
On edit: it's like saying "I only use heroin for medicinal purposes, I'm not an addict"
MADem
(135,425 posts)and hurtful comment with careful framing.
It won't make any difference come Tuesday. And no one is "insulting your intelligence." Except maybe, yourself.
Don't put that on me, either.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)Or anyone specific to DU.
As I stated:
Don't insult my intelligence or anyone else and say you are against things like Citizens United and unlimited money in politics and then literally do all the things you say you are against and tell me it only corrupts or influences other people, not me, I'm ok, I'm a good person. I'll call you a liar.
It is a perfectly fair concern. It was also very clear not to be directed at you or anyone else except someone who says they are against CU and unlimited corporate and dark money in politics and conducts themselves in a manner opposite of their statements by seeking out this type of funding and getting paid millions of dollars from any industry you claim you will strongly regulate. The cognitive dissonance it requires to, at the very least, not have serious concerns about such a person is staggering.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Stallion
(6,476 posts)Your statement is in fact wrong. Apparently, the overwhelming majority of Democrats with real political sense are supporting Clinton
nichomachus
(12,754 posts)She looks at the polls and the results from the focus groups and then changes her position to fit whichever way the wind is blowing.
Can't trust her from one day to the next.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Gotta win all the big states. So far he is in trouble, but Cali is coming up. If Tuesday goes HRC way, Bernie will have to put all his bets on California.
MADem
(135,425 posts)through the air after NY, myself.
Rex
(65,616 posts)A lot of people here and around America thought he would take NY. I doubted it from the beginning. Then again, I always said HRC would not only be the nominee but also the next POTUS. I always stick to my guns.
MADem
(135,425 posts)He cut his roots a half century ago. Didn't ever go back. That's probably why he didn't feel much love.
I agree with your assessment on HRC, though.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)when most Sanders supporters are fully aware of Clinton's record, which is why they're supporting the underdog candidate in the first place. It might be more appropriate for Clinton to be thinking about how she can win over Sanders supporters if she wins the nomination. I think she has her work cut out for her.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)concrete concessions on Clinton's part.
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)Bernie generally got 60 - 70% of the indy vote.
They may only come out in November if Trump is
the opponent. If it is Kasich or Ryan all bets are off.
As I said early on, about 12-15% of Dems will stay
home or vote Green, unless Trump is winning in
Cleveland.
I may be totally wrong, but I think that the repugs
want the WH so badly that the party will play all kinds of tricks
to get K. or R. to be the nominee.
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