Hillary Clinton Tells Charles Koch To Take His Fake Endorsement And Shove It

[riversedge]

You tell'em Hillary.



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Hillary Clinton Tells Charles Koch To Take His Fake Endorsement And Shove It

By Jason Easley on Sun, Apr 24th, 2016 at 3:39 pm

Hillary Clinton told Charles Koch that she has no interest in endorsements from people who make deny climate science and make it harder for people to vote.

Charles Koch told ABC’s This Week that it is possible that Clinton could be a better president than the Republican candidates:

In response to Charles Koch saying that she may be better that the Republican presidential candidates, Hillary Clinton tweeted:

Hillary Clinton doesn’t want a fake pseudo-endorsement from a Koch brother. Koch’s comments should be viewed as an attempt to weaken Clinton’s support among Democrats. Clinton was correct. The Koch brothers are the biggest funders of the right’s effort to discredit climate science. The Koch brothers are also behind the movement to make it more difficult for people to vote.

Everyone knows that the Kochs can’t stand Donald Trump, but it will snow in hell before Charles or David Koch supports a Democrat. The Koch brothers will be running hundreds of millions of dollars of negative dark money ads against Hillary Clinton in the fall. Don’t be fooled by what Charles Koch says. Watch what the right-wing political operation that he is funding does.

[SFnomad]

1. Give em hell Hillary!!! n/t

[Scuba]

43. She didn't give the Kochs hell when they joined with Bill to form the DLC.

Face it, the Clintons and Kochs are on the same team, kabuki theater notwithstanding.

[SFnomad]

48. The Kochs helped to form the DLC? Where do you come up with crap like this?

The Koch Brothers did provide funding that started the Cato Institute. And they're nowhere near on the same team.

[krawhitham]

49. Articles from 2010 & 2001

http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

http://prospect.org/article/how-dlc-does-it

[Scuba]

50. You don't know that the Kochs funded the DLC to get it started?

Yet Hillary supporters call Bernie supporters "naive."

[SFnomad]

57. Nowhere in those articles does it say they helped "form" the DLC

The DLC was founded by Al From and nothing I could find anywhere shows that the Koch's had anything to do with it.

[Scuba]

58. "... nothing I could find anywhere shows that the Koch's had anything to do with it."

Then you didn't look very hard ...

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Democratic_Leadership_Council

... some of the early funding came from ARCO, Chevron, Merck, Du Pont, Microsoft, Philip Morris and Koch Industries:

http://www.thenation.com/article/gop-donors-and-k-street-fuel-third-ways-advice-democratic-party/

There is a long and storied tradition of corporate, right-wing interests seeking to shape the economic policies of the Democratic Party. The DLC, another Third Way–style group that folded in 2011, was funded by none other than Koch Industries. Richard Fink, a strategist to the Koch brothers who helped found what is now known as Americans for Prosperity, was on the DLC’s board.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/33869-hillary-clinton-s-ghosts-a-legacy-of-pushing-the-democratic-party-to-the-right

Within the DLC, populism was not merely out of favor; it was militantly opposed. The organization had virtually no grassroots supporters; it was funded almost entirely by corporate donors. Its executive council, Dreyfuss reported, was made up of companies that donated at least $25,000 and included Enron and Koch Industries. A list of its known donors includes scores of the United States' most powerful corporations, all of whom benefit from a Democratic Party that embraces big business and is less reliant on labor unions and the grassroots for support.

[SFnomad]

59. That says funded ... not founded

Al From founded it ... and then, afterwards, donations came in from Fortune 500 companies. It may not have taken long, but the founding of the organization was not done by the Koch Brothers.

[Scuba]

60. Yet "nothing you could find anywhere shows that the Koch's had anything to do with it."

Except for "early funding" and a Koch shill "on the DLC's board."

[SFnomad]

61. You're taking my words out of context, which is typical

The "they didn't have anything to do with it" is in respects to the "forming" of it, which it says earlier in the post.

Again, there is nothing to show that the Koch Brothers founded or formed the DLC, which is what you stated. If you look at the history of when Al From founded it ... there is no mention of any Fortune 500s that helped at all. It was just Congress people and a small staff.

[Scuba]

63. You're being pedantic to avoid admitting that the Clintons and Kochs are in cahoots.

[snowy owl]

73. "It's the money, stupid." Clinton - money, money, money, money

http://americablog.com/2010/08/koch-industries-gave-funding-to-the-dlc-and-served-on-its-executive-council.html

But, here’s a key piece of information: the Kochs haven’t just given to right-wingers. Back in April of 2001, The American Prospect’s Bob Dreyfuss reported that the Kochs also funded the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC):

And for $25,000, 28 giant companies found their way onto the DLC’s executive council, including Aetna, AT&T;, American Airlines, AIG, BellSouth, Chevron, DuPont, Enron, IBM, Merck and Company, Microsoft, Philip Morris, Texaco, and Verizon Communications. Few, if any, of these corporations would be seen as leaning Democratic, of course, but here and there are some real surprises. One member of the DLC’s executive council is none other than Koch Industries, the privately held, Kansas-based oil company whose namesake family members are avatars of the far right, having helped to found archconservative institutions like the Cato Institute and Citizens for a Sound Economy. Not only that, but two Koch executives, Richard Fink and Robert P. Hall III, are listed as members of the board of trustees and the event committee, respectively–meaning that they gave significantly more than $25,000.

The DLC board of trustees is an elite body whose membership is reserved for major donors, and many of the trustees are financial wheeler-dealers who run investment companies and capital management firms–though senior executives from a handful of corporations, such as Koch, Aetna, and Coca-Cola, are included.

The DLC gave us the corporatist democratic party we now have. There's always a price, a payback. Clinton was the DLC. Take off your blinders.

[cherokeeprogressive]

2. Where can I find the words "shove it"?

Or was that just made up bullshit intended to make Hillaryites feel better?

[Hoyt]

3. Just using a tactic of Sanders' supporters. She clearly pretty much said that.

[cherokeeprogressive]

5. Which is it; a childish "tit for tat" post or "she said that, pretty much"? Is it both?

I love how Hillary supporters parse...

[moriah]

46. Here was the Tweet.

https://www.twittter.com/HillaryClinton/status/724313224305360896

"Not interested in endorsements from people who deny climate science and try to make it harder for people to vote. "

Classy enough to not need vulgarity to get her point across

[SwampG8r]

67. BwahahHaha

Make it harder for people to vote is her strategy so far.

[DebDoo]

4. But she'll take money from big banks who don't believe in being broken up?

I guess you gotta make the "tough choices"

[insta8er]

6. But he has been paying her! Who do you think promotes fracking?

So she already took his endorsement in the form of a big fat check.

[TheCowsCameHome]

7. ....in along with the big fracking money donations.

No sense making two trips.

[angrychair]

8. Again, double standards

Insinuating that the Kochs endorse or agree with Sanders:
HRC supporters love it and talk endlessly about Sanders "loving the Kochs" and so on.

An actual Koch brother, on live TV, endorsed Clinton, saying she would be better than the Republicans running:
HRC supporters say that is bad and wrong and come unglued about it.

Interesting double standard. They don't appear to like it. She is pro-fracking. Pro-pipeline, willing to compromise on abortion and social security. Pays men on her own staff more than the women. Doesn't grant all staff benefits. Takes unlimited campaign financing and has millions of dollars in dark money. These are her words and actions, not opinions or guessing. Sounds like he got about right.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

9. Of course she would disavow any support from the Kochs.

She's still trying to preserve the illusion that she's some sort of progressive.

[RufusTFirefly]

19. Besides, the money people realize this is all political theater

They know they can depend on Hillary.

[mmonk]

10. Sorry but you can't hide.

[riderinthestorm]

11. The Koch brothers funded the creation of the DLC

And sat on the executive board.

Yes, I'd say Charles Koch knows Hillary Clinton very well.

[ReRe]

15. +1

[Vincardog]

22. +2 Did she forget that she and Bill have been working for them for 30 years?

[ReRe]

29. A brain fart on her part?

I don't think so. I laughed my hiney off last night when I heard Charles Koch had endorsed her.
One could just imagine the wretching in the Hillary war room when this gem popped up on the screen.

[Vincardog]

36. It is rare for them all to tell the truth.

[jeff47]

30. Yes, but that was ancient history!

Sure, the Kochs are the only reason the Clintons rose to power at all (due to the DLC), but surely the Hillary Clinton will fight them now!!!!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

12. Did his check bounce?

[Smarmie Doofus]

32. Like a rubber ball!!! +1 nt

[oldandhappy]

13. funny

I see clinton as a right leaning centrist.

[silvershadow]

14. Ha ha! That's a hoot. He pretends to endorse. She pretends to disavow. Triangulation.

[nichomachus]

16. Fantastic political theater

Koch gave her the opportunity to pretend to be all principled and everything, when everyone know's he's right. Her actions will not match her rhetoric.

At least Obama promised a lot and then didn't deliver. Hillary isn't promising much at all -- and when she doesn't even deliver that (except to her patrons on Wall Street), people will pretend to be shocked.

[CorkySt.Clair]

26. Obama has been a fantastic president

Try not blaming someone else for all of life's ills. You'll feel better.

[RufusTFirefly]

39. Say that again, but while wearing a pair of comfortable shoes this time. n/t

[RufusTFirefly]

17. Hey Charles! Cut it out!

I'm surprised that she didn't let Henry Kissinger or Robert Kagan deliver the message.

[Nedsdag]

18. Hillary, you are not that great an actor.

Secretly you would LOVE Koch's money.

[Agschmid]

20. Kick.

[Third Doctor]

21. Oh please.

[hobbit709]

23. What's fake about it?

She's to the right of Obama so that makes her R-Lite.

[Time for change]

24. My take on it

Koch's semi-endorsement is sincere. Why wouldn't it be? He knows he has much to gain by a Hillary nomination.

Her rejection of his semi-endorsement is just doing politically what she has to do in order to maintain some credibility among the Democratic base, which she still needs to sew up the nomination, barring any further election "irregularities".

[Arugula Latte]

25. Ah, now that's some good Kabuki theater right there!

Bravo to cast of this performance. They have perfected the art of artifice.

[Android3.14]

27. You can tell a lot about a person by looking at who stands with the

Albright
Kissinger
Trump and now...

Koch

[HooptieWagon]

28. She liked him when he was funding the DLC.

So I assume it's just the rhetoric Koch was referring to, and she'll be cozy with her actions.

[Broward]

31. Fracking hell, Hillary is full of it.

[hobbit709]

34. What the fracking industry will bring us.

[Act_of_Reparation]

71. Wat?

That's the Door to Hell in Turkmenistan. Fracking had nothing to do with it.

[hobbit709]

74. Same effect in the long run

[immoderate]

33. Clinton is the logical choice for the ruling class.

Trump and Cruz, too unpredictable, too willing to interrupt the status quo.

Hillary also won't stop the Koch Brothers from fracking and mining tar sands.

--imm

[B Calm]

35. What drama. . LOL

[nadinbrzezinski]

37. And those of us who pay attention

Know he means it. She knows it is poison. Butt confirms what the process has been. Enjoy being a business party.

[beedle]

38. Well we did learn that there is at least one thing about Hillary everyone can trust

as Charles Koch astutely pointed out, "We would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric" and if there's one thing we can absolutely 100% trust about Hillary, it's exactly that!

[DCBob]

40. Perfect response!

[Logical]

47. Hillary is not a real dem. Nt

[randome]

41. The Kochs may have money but they are elderly and not very bright.

(Not saying age and 'un-brightness' go hand-in-hand, just that it appears to be that way for them.)
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[sadoldgirl]

42. What a farce!

Of course he speaks the truth, and she knows it.
She will be a great tool for the 1%.

And Lincoln's bedroom will be rented out to them again.

[NurseJackie]

44. I love her! <3

[grossproffit]

45. What an awesome photo!

[mcar]

51. K&R

[baldguy]

52. If there's any more evidence needed that the Sanders folks are being played,

the Koch "endorsement" is it.

[Chan790]

53. This merits a question.

How many real friends of Hillary Clinton will make "fake endorsements" that will she decline?

Maybe it's just me, but I think the optics of it make her look like the stealth republican I've long accused both Hillary and Bill Clinton of actually being.

[CoffeeCat]

54. Every once in a while, the truth slips out

The Kochs were angel investors in the DLC. They helped launch the corporate wing of our party.

Who does Hillary think she's fooling? She knows that people are talking about this, so she's doing lie-based damage control.

The Kochs are pure corporatists. If you listen to them speak, they are actually FOR many liberal ideals. They are against the Middle East wars. They have called all neocon rhetoric "insane" and "hyperbole."

The Kochs are pure capitalists. They want low (or no corporate taxes) and very low taxes on the rich. They want no regulation on businesses--especially environmental regulation. They want the EPA abolished--not because they don't believe that climate science is real. They do know it's real. They just don't want to lose profits with EPA laws that would cause them to modify their plants which would cut into their precious profits.

They are pure greedy capitalists.

Anyone really believe that Hillary will raise taxes on the rich--after they have propped up her campaign with untold millions? Hillary was also a fracking champion while she was SOS. The DLC wing is the corporate wing of our party. Everyone knows it. Hillary's $12 Fed minimum wage is a signal to corporations that she wouldn't go as far as Sanders. Her $12 advocacy would most likely results in a compromise (with big business, of course) that would end up at around $9.00 or $10.00, if we're lucky.

Koch spoke the truth. This type of talk is de rigeuer at cocktail parties in the Hamptons, where all of these types gather and scoff at the lower 99 percent.

[marmar]

55. "I prefer Lloyd Blankfein's endorsement and megabucks instead!"

[tabasco]

56. Not a fake endorsement

There'a a reason the reich-wing mass media annointed H. Clinton as the nominee four years ago. If they must deal with a Democrat in office, they want one who will help them with their agenda.

[rhett o rick]

62. The Kochs know that what's good for Goldman-Sachs and Citibank will be good for them.

All the super wealthy like Clinton and hate Sanders. So whose side are you on?

[onehandle]

64. The 'Not Hillary' Party doesn't care. They will side with the Kochs to get their unicorn. nt

[EndElectoral]

65. Guess he didn't send enough money.

[whatchamacallit]

66. Until the Hill-Shrub-style behind the scenes loving embrace photos emerge

[Katashi_itto]

69. What wonderful Kabuki theater she gives us!

[ThePhilosopher04]

70. Bullshit. She loves the Koch brothers and welcomes their support. They love her too apparently.

[RoccoR5955]

72. She wants them to shove it...

Into her coffers. As long as they do it anonymously.
And since when did Clinton ever say that she was pro environment?
Climate science to her still has two sides, and probably needs more study. We need to allow fracking.
She's not pro environment.
She is more pro opportunity for her to make money.

[Live and Learn]

75. Wink, wink. And please make your checks payable to the Clinton Foundation. nt

[LenaBaby61]

76. OF course Hillary doesn't need his endorsement ...

Because she's WELL on her way to securing the Democratic nomination to be POTUS without Charles Koch butting into the primary race going on currently between herself and Bernie.

Good for you Hillary, for stating unequivocally that you don't need anything from Charles Koch. It's bad enough that this same Koch was praising Bernie back in February, but now he's calling himself possibly endorsing Hillary IF she changed her platform? He needs to concern himself with what's happening over on the GOP side. Hillary doesn't have ANY need for him.