Demoralized: What will happen to the Democrats if Clinton is the nominee.

[Skwmom]

It's amazing how people inside the political bubble do not understand average voters.

[tritsofme]

1. How demoralized would Democrats be if the will of the people was overturned at the convention?

And Hillary denied the nomination despite a lead of hundreds of pledged delegates and millions of votes, while the nomination is given to the loser of the primaries...yea...I think that might just leave Democrats a little demoralized...

Bernie lost fair and square, get over it. Talk about living in a bubble...

[Skwmom]

6. That's the problem. It was not fair and sqaure.

[tritsofme]

7. Sure was. The people voted, and your guy lost.

[restorefreedom]

26. not everyone got to vote

so not a legitimate victory

[tritsofme]

36. Was Kerry's primary victory illegitimate? How about Gore?

They wrapped up their nominations long before people were done voting.

[salinsky]

55. Hahahahahahahaha ...

... you couldn't make this shit up if you tried.

[Zynx]

61. He's only in it because of silly caucuses.

Those didn't allow everyone to vote.

[Demsrule86]

95. If you live in a state with a closed primary

then register...if you don't, you can't vote in the primary.

[LaurenG]

27. He hasn't lost

[tritsofme]

34. Sorry to be the bearer of this news. But yes, this is no longer a competitive race where Sanders

has any realistic chance of winning the nomination. The longer Bernie stays in, he is just delaying the inevitable.

[LaurenG]

39. Uh huh

Why would I give up on the only honest candidate in the race? More to the point why would you support GW Bush's political twin?

[tritsofme]

44. You can do as you please. I was just sharing the facts of how this race stands.

[LaurenG]

47. Sharing what you perceive how this will end but

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you never know if the rest of America will wake up in time to defeat the egotistical, self appointed Queen or not.

[tritsofme]

49. Not enough time left on the clock. It's over because of math.

[tonyt53]

101. Exactly

[truedelphi]

104. Get outside your bubble and see what the Bernie supporters are

Reading.

If you only stay here, where there is truth suppression going on, or worse, you only participate on the HRC group, you don't know what is going on.

So here is the skinny: With 1,674 delegates left, to be awarded, and possibly dozens of delegates to be re-awarded, Clinton leads by only 1,438 to 1,211.

Also, Clinton is under investigation by the FBI, with the head of the FBI, Comey stating that he is paying close attention to what is going on with the investigation and how it is being handled. Even the most staunch of "R's" feel Comey will make sure this investigation is even handed.

Had Hillary not involved Blumenthal in the information she received, that was BTW quite classified, and had both the emails involving this not "disappeared" I might not believe those RW pundits that Hillary could be indicted. But she didn't obey her boss, Pres Obama, nor did she obey the rules that stipulate that she can't go around divulging information to whomever she wants to.

[peacebird]

105. Bernie is the only chance Ds have in the general election. Hillary will crash and burn

[Demsrule86]

96. Bernie has lost

He has no shot...and Hillary may sweep the next five contests.

[bkkyosemite]

71. Where have you been?

[Baobab]

92. Several of my friends are living in other countries now

Mostly in Western Europe but several in Asia, one in Australia. They get married there, have kids.

If America continues down this road leaving will be the only option for many people, but there wont be any country willing to take them either without money, so there really may be very bleak options indeed unless Bernie wins.

Unskilled jobs are going away for good. By midcentury we're expected to have self aware computers and long before then they will be able to do everything 90% of todays employed persons do. Also, i see a substantial fall in population as people stop having children and stop buying.

Likely their care will be offshored.

[George II]

41. In what way?

[riversedge]

66. yeah yeah Bernie has been saying lots have been 'unfair' lately. Get out of the kitchen if

the heat is too hot for you--and Bernie.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

9. it's happened before, and we got thru it. are americans delicate flowers now?

[HooptieWagon]

12. 1968 didn't turn out so well.

[Trenzalore]

14. In 1968 a Kennedy was murdered prior to the convention

Lets not make comparisons that are not applicable.

[HooptieWagon]

23. In June. We're still in April.

Hillary says anything can happen.
What we got at the Convention was an unpopular establishment candidate shoved down our throats. GOP won next 5 of 6 elections. Carter only won b/c of voter disgust with Watergate and corrupt Nixon regime.

[George II]

43. Almost 20 million people have already voted, 2.5M more for Clinton than Sanders. That's....

...."an unpopular establishment candidate"?

[tritsofme]

21. It is the sore-loser Berners who are the delicates flowers, that can't accept defeat.

They want the nomination, even though they lost.

But your point is also untrue, in the modern nomination process, a candidate that led by hundreds of pledged delegates and millions of votes has never been denied the nomination.

Hanging your hat on the hope that SDs will overturn the will of the people to install your guy, is plainly delusional.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

29. hey, guess what? I've been saying for 3 months that the goal was to make sure she didn't get enough

delegates before the convention, and to make it a real floor fight for the party platform.

[tritsofme]

42. Then it sounds like your expectations are much more realistic than many of your colleagues.

[Skwmom]

81. A platform is just words on a piece of paper when you cannot trust the nominee.

God do they think we are stupid.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

85. That's why it's gotta be a movement, 2018 we vote out those who do not support the platform

Unlike past years when the platform is just ignored as soon as the convention ends.

[Demsrule86]

98. it does not work that way.

What you describe might work in GOP land but in our primary as they did for Obama...the supers will put her over the top...it will be nearly unanimous. That is all she wrote folks...and you don't do the platform that way either. It will be the most liberal platform since 72 I hear.

[Baobab]

56. You don't think young people should be listened to MORE when trade deals ARE FOREVER?

You don't think young people should be listened to MORE when trade deals ARE FOREVER?

Clinton trade deals have already cost us hugely. BTW.

[tritsofme]

64. Strange post...are you seriously suggesting we should overturn the will of the majority

for the preference of young people? Why even permit anyone over 30 to vote under that logic?

[CrowCityDem]

2. It's amazing Bernie voters don't see they're a smaller group than Hillary voters.

[tritsofme]

4. It's like they live in an alternate reality.

[rickford66]

37. Right. What were they thinking?

Medicare for all, expanded Social Security, regulate the Wall Street casino. Rainbows and Unicorns. You can't do that.

[Hortensis]

108. No, those aren't THEIR issues. Most Bernie

supporters are rational liberals or radical-lite who will switch seamlessly to supporting Hilary, glad to have her as their second choice.

That is truly what hard-core anti-Democrats refuse to acknowledge.

BUT, it's not to late to wake up and acknowledge that, except for destroying liberals and the party, we really all have pretty much the same goals and the same enemies, even if we haven't been on the same team, and that the real battle for the future of America will be between us and the anti-progressive/anti-government right.

[grasswire]

8. ridiculous nt

[Beacool]

19. It's not ridiculous, it's a fact.

Consistently, with a few exceptions like VT and NH, more registered Democrats have voted for Hillary than have voted for Sanders.

[grasswire]

30. this election will not be won by registered Democrats alone.

Don't you get it? There aren't enough of us to make that happen.

This is a transformative election. Non-establishment v. establishment. Democrats alone cannot win.

The key becomes electability. Independents must vote for our nominee if we are to win.

[Beacool]

45. Of course Independents will be needed in the GE, but this is the Democratic primary

and Hillary is the Democrat who is winning it.

[strategery blunder]

62. And Hillary won't be winning those Independents in the GE.

We Berners have only been trying to tell you that for the last six months. Yes, barring an extremely unlikely event such as a non-viable showing in California, she will win the nomination, but she won't win the GE because she lacks broad appeal outside of the Democratic Party.

Moreover, she insists on destroying more of her appeal and credibility outside of the Democratic Party with each passing day.

[Beacool]

75. That remains to be seen.

She still outpolls both Trump and Cruz.

[TheCowsCameHome]

11. Yet look how they've made her run for her political life.

Impressive, for so-called "small group" I'd say.

[CrowCityDem]

18. Huh? This race is a titanic blowout compared to 2008.

[TheCowsCameHome]

50. Oh, stop.

This was supposed to be her unchallenged coronation. She's spent all of her time and contributions defending herself from a guy with a handful of grass roots supporters.

[HooptieWagon]

16. Include Indies and we're greater in number.

No matter who the candidate is, they're gonna need indie votes to win in Nov. I understand your panic.

[CrowCityDem]

20. There's no evidence of that. There is evidence of Hillary having millions more votes.

[pinebox]

48. Are you saying Hillary has the Indy vote?

[CrowCityDem]

54. I'm saying her support, in total, is greater.

[pinebox]

82. Among independents Hillary has little support

[CrowCityDem]

83. Among Democrats Bernie has little support. What's your point?

[pinebox]

88. About twice the number of voters

[CrowCityDem]

91. You do realize roughly 40% of indies are basically Republicans, right? Not Bernie people.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

3. it will either cease to exist, or we will take it back

50/50

[yourpaljoey]

5. Agreed. The geenie has been loosed upon the world.

[freesqueeze]

10. They'll rejoice

Democrats (on the whole) are a compromising lot. Overall they will be satisfied with winning the house back and maybe the senate and keeping a hateful bigot out of the white house. As a liberal independent, I am happy that the dems are offering up a reasonable alternative to the nightmare the GOP has become.

[felix_numinous]

13. Yes going through another stolen election is demoralizing

and the PTB are counting on us backing down. Their millions being spent to further demoralize us online speaks volumes, they are in a RUSH to declare victory while the election has been a fraud.

[Dem2]

22. Stolen? What? Do you have a link for this?

I'd love to see how the election was stolen

[Beacool]

15. Nothing, the party will continue.

Sanders' supporters will go through a grieving period like Hillary's supporters went through in 2008. Then, hopefully, we will unite to do battle with the real enemy: Republicans.

[JumpinJehosaphat]

58. There are many differences between 2008 Clinton supporters with 2016 Sander supporters.

That is in keeping with the respective candidates views. I do not believe you will see a rally around a Clinton nominee as you saw for Obama. I think it is safe to say that he had most of the progressives in his camp.

[Dem2]

17. The only one demoralizing Democrats is you

Are you working against Democrats?

[HooptieWagon]

24. GOP (D) hates real Democrats. Nt

[Dem2]

25. I can post random letters too

Will that make me one of the cool kids?

[Triana]

28. The party is split between 1960s Republicans calling themselves "Democrats"

and actual Democrats/progressives/liberals.

And it will stay that way.

[highprincipleswork]

31. Frankly, we need a new Party and new coalitions. Wish we had a different system, with

verifiable, fair elections and with the ability for coalitions to form and then dissolve and then reform in an easier, more fluid way than in this ridiculous two-party system. (Which actually ends up resembling a one-party system).

[grasswire]

32. or split.

And in that case, the "actual Democrats/progressives/liberals" will prevail.

Because that is what the majority of the American people want. Freedom from the establishment.

[creon]

33. Good sportsmanship

Good sportsmanship applies to the winner and the loser.

"the enemy is that way, son".

When whoever is nominated, is nominated ( be it sanders or Clinton). I will beat the long roll.

[grossproffit]

35. I'm excited!

[sadoldgirl]

38. If she is the nominee, I think that

a) voter turnout for the dems will be very low,

b)voter turnout for the repugs will be high,

c)the Greens will gain.

As far as (b) is concerned this will be true
if the repugs choose Ryan or Kasich.

[Blue_In_AK]

40. If I do end up voting for her

(which isn't a given since my state isn't in play), it will be the least enthusiastic vote I've ever cast. I don't like where she stands on the issues, and I don't like her persona.

[DebbieCDC]

107. Then why vote for her?

Seriously

You don't like her program and you don't like her

I ask again, then why vote for her?

[Blue_In_AK]

110. To avoid being kicked off DU?

Hell, I don't know. Good question.

[metamorphosis]

46. begin with march /protest Philly convention; also HRC may have legal problems or face impeachment

a strong, but peaceful march and demonstration will provide a way for sanders supporters to channel their passion for the movement, and jump start the movement for ALL the many 2016 elections.

the superdelegates need to hear our serious concerns about the possibility that Hillary will be subjected to a series of Benghazi-like investigations, each of which will have the impact of an atom bomb when it hits her desk, and crippling her efforts to "get things done."

as the superdelegates continue to hear of the developing fbi investigation, her many scandals, her probably illegal dirty tricks against the sanders campaign, of perjury (lying illegally), of "obstruction of justice" (exacty what HRC has done keep putting off the investigators, delay indefinitely (and remember justice delayed is justice denied).

[DetroitSocialist83]

51. I'm not that demoralized

By western world standards, it's always been a right wing party.

[BillZBubb]

65. But getting moreso at an alarming rate.

[RandySF]

52. Then I guess you will have a decision to make

[tularetom]

53. She's already on double secret probation with about half the party

but I think most Democrats will cut her some slack after the convention.

However if she starts to backtrack, dissemble and weasel on her positions in order to appeal to "moderate" or "independent" voters in the general election campaign, both she and the Democrat party are going to be in extremely deep doodoo. The independents hate her guts to begin with and she will lose the support of the what little support she has within the party.

She pretty much has to distance herself from everything Bill Clinton did and walk on eggshells around Obama's policies to hold on to her support. A nice trick, even for a skilled politician, which she definitely is not.

[Sheepshank]

57. A majority of the average voter has made their voices heard.

How is that demoralizing the the victors?

I understand that "some" may feel demoralized when Bernie loses, but even of that group some will find motivation in sinking a Trump or a Cruz.

[beachbum bob]

59. We would support our nominee and keep

The Whitehouse in Democratic hands as well as naming several supreme Court justices ..and veto of any conservative attempts of destroying our country further....and demoralized sanders supporter have skin in this game or we suffer conservative destruction.

[Buzz cook]

60. Depends

If Clinton wins without the visible support of the left, then the party will move further right. That's what happened in 2000 and I don't see why history won't repeat itself.

If the left throws itself behind the candidate then the odds are they will get some pay back after the election as they did in 1932. Folk seem to forget that lots of FDR's move to the left was because of the lower level people he brought into his administration.

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

63. That's because Bernie's ability to excite and engage people who haven't been so in years flies in

the face of the Party's and media's meme: Democrats lose because they don't show up.

In order to prepetuate this meme, they have to ignore the fact that people with Democratic values are numerous and had been dormant until Bernie came around.

The most unliked candidate in history towing the establishment line doesn't inspire people to turnout.

[EndElectoral]

67. I'm not looking forward to a Kissinger world outlook, nor corp advantage is masked with "free trade"

It's not Bernie getting beat that is demoralizing. It's that the party has embraced policies that are antithetical to why I became a Democrat in the first place.

It's demoralizing indeed.

[Lil Missy]

68. average voters are voting for Hillary Clinton - amazing the opposition can't accept that.

[EndElectoral]

69. I think they accept it, but it's demoralizing to see this is the way the Dem Party wants to go.

It's trending more toward Republican Lite rather than more towards FDR's party.

They accept it, but don't infer they have to like it or are compelled to take an active part in supporting the regression of the party.

[Lil Missy]

70. That's an opinion of purists, not a fact. Hillary is not a Republican by any stretch.

[EndElectoral]

74. In foreign and fiscal policy she's a Republican.

[Demsrule86]

99. Not true

I am sick of the crap.

[JoePhilly]

86. + 1

[silvershadow]

72. Fractured. It will be the Political Continental Divide. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

73. Guaranteed: If Clinton loses, the Left will be blamed.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

76. Those who didnt vote for her will be blamed

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

80. Why not Hillary for not convincing enough voters to vote for her?

Why blame the voters?

She's the one applying for the job. Isn't she the one who has to convince her potential employers she's fit to do the job?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

84. Is not and NEVER has been about Hillary...That is the part some of you have been missing

from day one.

Is there a politician in DC who doesn't "tell stories" or doesn't hold hands with corporate America?

Maybe a few, one of them Bernie, but to apply that requirement to Hillary while it applies to almost no other politicians, is the dumbest thing you could do on your way to suicide.

I have a friend who hates the Clinton's so much that he will vote for Drumpf if Bernie loses, and he is partially basing this on his like of Drumpf hatred of immigrants and minorities. It just took Drumpf to get him to admit he holds those positions.


Put it this way, you oppose what Hillary and Trump and Cruz stand for, right? Which of the 3 is the easiest to talk to or deal with on those issues you oppose them on?

As an adult you do have to make a choice, you cant leave it up to others.

[Demsrule86]

102. Let me fix this for you

Those who didn't vote for her deserve to be blamed, and they helped elect the GOP...they should wear sackcloth and ashes the rest of their miserable lives if they give the GOP three branches of government.

[oldandhappy]

78. well,, so much for unity!!!!

[Demsrule86]

79. They win

She will win in November.

[hack89]

87. Amazing how Bernie supporters do not understand average voters

given the results of the primaries to date.

Bernie supporters have an abysmal record of political forecasting so the more likely outcome is exactly the opposite of what you are predicting.

[NCTraveler]

89. I will be through the roof happy as will many people I know.

I get that you dismiss us as being not "average voters", but that is why I dismiss your opinions.

[Demsrule86]

100. I will be thrilled

She is the most qualified candidate and despite relentless GOP attacks and Dem traitor attacks...yes I said it...SHE WON! We are women hear us roar in numbers too big to ignore...

[Baobab]

90. Emigration elsewhere

Thats what happened in the past when countries became controlled by a tiny elite.

Thats how the US was populated. Interesting historical source:



Gottlieb Mittelberger On the Misfortune indentured Servants

[LongTomH]

93. The Democratic party is already shrinking!

People may vote for her as the 'lesser of evils;' in this election cycle.

But more people, especially younger people, will re-register as independents.

Of course, the remainder of the party will continue to turn hard right.

[stopbush]

109. I'm fine with them registering as Indies as long as the Ds

go to closed primaries that Indies can't vote in.

You want to flex your Indy muscle? Fine. Form your own political party, field your own candidate, hold your own primaries and put your candidate into the GE. Only quit sticking your nose into Democratic Party politics if you aren't registered as a D.

[Demsrule86]

94. Since Bernie lost

It seems you do not understand the average voters...oh and Ohio is an open primary.

[insta8er]

97. They will have a love fest and say the whole day "Madam President" When that starts to wear off

and they are being confronted with the cold hard truth on what they have elected, they will crawl back in obscurity and won't resurface until the next presidential election cycle where they will do the exact same thing they did before and hope for a different outcome.

[Demsrule86]

103. Not at all

I worked hard to elect Obama and never regretted it...even when he did things I did not like because...would McCain or Romney have been better?

[stopbush]

106. Amazing how many people are inside the bubble, judging by Hillary's staggering lead

in the popular vote and delegate count.

It's a YUGE bubble!!

[seabeyond]

111. Clinton voters are average voters too. Why do you dismiss them as corporate or others?

[senz]

112. Lucky for me I don't consider Hill a Democrat. So I can still like traditional Democrats.