2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders just moved the goalpost back a bit (in a good way)
Interview with George Stephanopoulos just now, "we're in this til California". It's no longer "we're in this til he convention.
A very good sign that, should he not overtake Clinton in pledged delegates following their primary, that there will be no shenanigans, no attempts to sway the superdelegates to support him.
This is good news.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)I have always wanted to believe he was just getting really bad advice as the campaign looked to be going against him.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)Some of the Bros will be tossing rotten eggs at him if he doesn't go the inauguration and wave his arms around and say, "It's my turn, let me speak!" as Hillary is sworn in.
But seriously, some of these people do seem a bit unhinged. I don't like the guy, but the reaction against him when he drops out officially is going to be ugly.
unc70
(6,115 posts)The Sanders supporters will not be throwing Sanders under the bus. He is well-like by almost everyone; you are very much in the minority. I see the delusions to be more over on your side.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)Have never voted for a Democrat in their life, and never will. They consist of Ron Paul types, right wing trolls, and a lot of shit stirrers who only like to cause problems. When the push the "Bernie or Bust" crap, talk about him running as a third party candidate, push the both parties are the same meme, and fail to post positives about him, only negatives about Clinton, it is pretty obvious they are not trying to put "any" Democrat in the WH.
Bernie has gotten some terrible advice, he needs to stop listening to Weaver and Devine and do the right thing once Tuesday is over.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts).... but they weren't influential enough to do much.
However, I propose a non-sexist name for the equivalent of PUMA's: Bern-Outs.
There's no need to keep on implying that people who support Bernie so strongly they aren't looking very clearly at the big picture are only men, are doing so because they are men, etc.
firebrand80
(2,760 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)I will take that as a concession.
Igel
(35,317 posts)If the context was, "Are you going to stay in this till California?" then it's the expected reply and no pull-back should be read into it. It gives all the information expected, and not more.
If the context was, "How are you taking this?" then it probably is a pull-back, unless he had an "at least till California" in his remarks, whether explicitly or implicitly. "Implicitly" might have just been his tonal contour, with his intonation saying, "We're certainly in this till California (if not beyond)."
Snippets of quote are like snippets of video or audio. Without context, they mean precious little, and political or rhetorical adversaries are very unlikely going to provide context unless it really supports them. (However, lack of context doesn't mean that this kind of context wasn't there any more than it means it was there.)
Tarc
(10,476 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)if he comes in 2nd in pledged delegates.
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)However, I think it is absolute bullshit that Clinton has been waving the non-pledged superdelegates in our face for the past 9 months, especially considering they are bought and paid for by her "Israel First" billionaire friends. Double especially because those non-pledged superdelegates agreed to support her before the first real vote was even cast.
A shitty, shitty thing indeed.
You see, Clinton wants to have it both ways...she used the superdelegates as an ugly cudgel over the media and over the voters for months on end....but now...if there was a remote chance they could go against her, she and her little acolyte supporters now clamor only for the superdelegates to only go for the one with the most pledged delegates.
But I don't expect better from her or from her supporters.
However, I take the high road. I truly believe that if Sanders does not have a majority of the pledged delegates, he should concede and not try to ply for the superdelegates. It would not be honorable and would not follow the will of the voters.
But don't fool yourself, we are on to all of your duplicitous games and it reeks of foul shit.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)The Oregon State Democratic party loves Bernie!
Sam
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Convention. Nice framing FAIL
moriah
(8,311 posts)... and the others encouraging him to attempt to contest the will of the voters if, by the last primary, he was still behind.
I understand why he might not have wanted to publicly call him out for suggesting that after the vast majority of messages prior that supported what Bernie's actual desire was, but I am glad to see that he, himself, is not planning to use the Superdelegates in that fashion.
Kudos for statemanship, Bernie.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)again--.