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Tarc

(10,476 posts)
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:35 PM Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders just moved the goalpost back a bit (in a good way)

Interview with George Stephanopoulos just now, "we're in this til California". It's no longer "we're in this til he convention.

A very good sign that, should he not overtake Clinton in pledged delegates following their primary, that there will be no shenanigans, no attempts to sway the superdelegates to support him.

This is good news.

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Bernie Sanders just moved the goalpost back a bit (in a good way) (Original Post) Tarc Apr 2016 OP
I do not believe him Iliyah Apr 2016 #1
Your opinion, but I do hope he proves you wrong. moriah Apr 2016 #14
He does keep signaling. I think he's just scared. He knows how far under the bus he'll be. Squinch Apr 2016 #2
Your biases are shiwing unc70 Apr 2016 #3
Kay. You go with that. Squinch Apr 2016 #19
I think the majority of his "Bros" Andy823 Apr 2016 #9
Yes to all of this! Squinch Apr 2016 #20
Well, the PUMAs didn't like it when Hillary showed she cared more about the General.... moriah Apr 2016 #16
Confirms what Devine said on Maddow nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #4
Interesting. DCBob Apr 2016 #5
Don't, not without context. Igel Apr 2016 #6
The full interview can be found here Tarc Apr 2016 #7
What a great interview. The guy speaks my language. So straightforward and hits the nail on the head Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #11
Yes, it is quite good to see he will not wage a convention fight Tarc Apr 2016 #15
Absolutely agree. As shitty as Clinton is, if she wins the pledged delegates - should be a done deal Bread and Circus Apr 2016 #18
Oregon votes after that though, right, and they also put him on the 2016 ticket! Samantha Apr 2016 #8
"shenanigans" attempts to persuade super delegates to support him is BAD? The don't vote till the Vincardog Apr 2016 #10
I'm very glad to hear this, sounds like he did put a leash on Weaver.... moriah Apr 2016 #12
Or Bernie misspoke--Or did not consult with Weaver. I want to hear him say it riversedge Apr 2016 #13
Either way. I'm sure he'll campaign for until the last vote. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #17

moriah

(8,311 posts)
14. Your opinion, but I do hope he proves you wrong.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 03:22 PM
Apr 2016

I have always wanted to believe he was just getting really bad advice as the campaign looked to be going against him.

Squinch

(50,955 posts)
2. He does keep signaling. I think he's just scared. He knows how far under the bus he'll be.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:43 PM
Apr 2016

Some of the Bros will be tossing rotten eggs at him if he doesn't go the inauguration and wave his arms around and say, "It's my turn, let me speak!" as Hillary is sworn in.

But seriously, some of these people do seem a bit unhinged. I don't like the guy, but the reaction against him when he drops out officially is going to be ugly.

unc70

(6,115 posts)
3. Your biases are shiwing
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:12 PM
Apr 2016

The Sanders supporters will not be throwing Sanders under the bus. He is well-like by almost everyone; you are very much in the minority. I see the delusions to be more over on your side.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
9. I think the majority of his "Bros"
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 03:07 PM
Apr 2016

Have never voted for a Democrat in their life, and never will. They consist of Ron Paul types, right wing trolls, and a lot of shit stirrers who only like to cause problems. When the push the "Bernie or Bust" crap, talk about him running as a third party candidate, push the both parties are the same meme, and fail to post positives about him, only negatives about Clinton, it is pretty obvious they are not trying to put "any" Democrat in the WH.

Bernie has gotten some terrible advice, he needs to stop listening to Weaver and Devine and do the right thing once Tuesday is over.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
16. Well, the PUMAs didn't like it when Hillary showed she cared more about the General....
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

.... but they weren't influential enough to do much.

However, I propose a non-sexist name for the equivalent of PUMA's: Bern-Outs.

There's no need to keep on implying that people who support Bernie so strongly they aren't looking very clearly at the big picture are only men, are doing so because they are men, etc.

Igel

(35,317 posts)
6. Don't, not without context.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

If the context was, "Are you going to stay in this till California?" then it's the expected reply and no pull-back should be read into it. It gives all the information expected, and not more.

If the context was, "How are you taking this?" then it probably is a pull-back, unless he had an "at least till California" in his remarks, whether explicitly or implicitly. "Implicitly" might have just been his tonal contour, with his intonation saying, "We're certainly in this till California (if not beyond)."

Snippets of quote are like snippets of video or audio. Without context, they mean precious little, and political or rhetorical adversaries are very unlikely going to provide context unless it really supports them. (However, lack of context doesn't mean that this kind of context wasn't there any more than it means it was there.)

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
15. Yes, it is quite good to see he will not wage a convention fight
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 03:25 PM
Apr 2016

if he comes in 2nd in pledged delegates.

Bread and Circus

(9,454 posts)
18. Absolutely agree. As shitty as Clinton is, if she wins the pledged delegates - should be a done deal
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 04:33 PM
Apr 2016

However, I think it is absolute bullshit that Clinton has been waving the non-pledged superdelegates in our face for the past 9 months, especially considering they are bought and paid for by her "Israel First" billionaire friends. Double especially because those non-pledged superdelegates agreed to support her before the first real vote was even cast.

A shitty, shitty thing indeed.

You see, Clinton wants to have it both ways...she used the superdelegates as an ugly cudgel over the media and over the voters for months on end....but now...if there was a remote chance they could go against her, she and her little acolyte supporters now clamor only for the superdelegates to only go for the one with the most pledged delegates.

But I don't expect better from her or from her supporters.

However, I take the high road. I truly believe that if Sanders does not have a majority of the pledged delegates, he should concede and not try to ply for the superdelegates. It would not be honorable and would not follow the will of the voters.

But don't fool yourself, we are on to all of your duplicitous games and it reeks of foul shit.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
8. Oregon votes after that though, right, and they also put him on the 2016 ticket!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

The Oregon State Democratic party loves Bernie!

Sam

Vincardog

(20,234 posts)
10. "shenanigans" attempts to persuade super delegates to support him is BAD? The don't vote till the
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 03:14 PM
Apr 2016

Convention. Nice framing FAIL

moriah

(8,311 posts)
12. I'm very glad to hear this, sounds like he did put a leash on Weaver....
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

... and the others encouraging him to attempt to contest the will of the voters if, by the last primary, he was still behind.

I understand why he might not have wanted to publicly call him out for suggesting that after the vast majority of messages prior that supported what Bernie's actual desire was, but I am glad to see that he, himself, is not planning to use the Superdelegates in that fashion.

Kudos for statemanship, Bernie.

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