Hillary Clinton is holding a campaign fundraiser in Israel next month

[kgnu_fan]

https://twitter.com/RaniaKhalek/status/724272190171025408

[brooklynite]

1. You realize that'll be with American citizens?

Because non-resident foreign nationals can't contribute?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

8. LOL! Care to explain who these Americans are

that need to in Israel? Are they illegal colonists, or do they just like to travel to Israel to meet with Hilly?

[brooklynite]

9. Remember when the Sanders folks were all excited about winning DEMOCRATS ABROAD?

Did you question why they weren't in the US?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

13. I'm questioning the Hilly campaign rocking it in the Apartheid state known as Israel.

And how many of the "Americans" there giving her $$$ are actually living illegally on Palestinian land?

[brooklynite]

31. Is "Apartheid State" a Sanders campaign term?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

42. It's the reality that you can't seem to stomach.

Of course, the establishment Dems just want to continue the same bogus tennets of democracy that have gotten then USA so much blowback: Viet Nam, Iran, Latin and South America, Cuba...Israel.

[KittyWampus]

57. You didn't question Sanders when he was rocking it w/the homophobic Pope.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

66. Was Sanders holding a campaign fundraiser with the Pope?

I must have missed that.



What is odd though is how you compare Israel, that is roundly criticized for its human rights abuses, to a religious figure in order distract from shitty apartheid.

[Jitter65]

90. He raised money from the visit. nt

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

94. Since you brought it up let me ask that again.

Was Sanders holding a campaign fundraiser with the Pope?

The fail is strong in you.

[JackRiddler]

75. Completely irrational comparison.

Did Sanders organize the Democrats Abroad primary?

More to the point, what if he had a fundraiser in Moscow? With American citizens, of course.

[brooklynite]

76. What if he did?

[treestar]

64. A lot of Americans live abroad

So why not in Israel? I see you have a problem with Israel, but Americans may still live abroad there as anywhere else.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

67. Sure they do. How many of them are illegally colonizing the West Bank, though.

It's one thing to live abroad of ones country, but it is quite another to live abroad while enabling or taking part in an apartheid state.

[treestar]

68. None as those in israel are not

And may not even support it

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

71. That's such nice conjecture on your part.

Israel presently acts like an apartheid state to anybody that is not part of the 76% club: Muslims, Christians, Bedouins...especially Bedouins of late.

But back to the West Bank...

Did you know that 15% of the illegal colonistas in the West Bank are American citizens?

That's 60 thousand Americans taking place in ethnic cleansing by squatting on Palestinian lands.

Perhaps some if them will be fawning over Hilly when she arrives fir her gala. Who knows what the entrance fee will be to see her. Perhaps 30 pieces of silver?

[oberliner]

82. You are repeating a lie

Hillary is not going there.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

96. Whose campaign is holding the fundraiser, Sherlock?

But my mistake. Hilly will just have to collect the silver from her surrogate and wash her hands of the whole affair.

[oberliner]

106. You wrote: "Perhaps some if them will be fawning over Hilly when she arrives fir her gala."

Hillary is not arriving for any gala. That is a lie. She is not going there.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

118. Perhaps not in person but definately in checkbook.

Would you like me to mail you some facial tissue?

[oberliner]

131. Facial tissue?

I don't understand what you mean by that remark.

[treestar]

115. So they are not in Israel

And they may not be Democrats necessarily. Really you are trying to argue for collective punishment of all Israelis - you are condemning them all for the acts of a few. It is not conjecture - it is known that there are Israelis who are against the settlements. I am against the settlements. And so are some Israelis.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

125. Let's break this down so you might try and understand.

The majority of Israelis voted for the right wing parties during the last election.

That's a fact.

The Present PM, Bibi the baby killer, used racist dog whistle attacks against both Palestinians and the left during the last election.

That's a fact.

There are 500k illegal Israel colonists, with the help of the Israeli military, living on the ruins of the Palestinian people.

That's a fact.

Israel has no right to take land that is not theirs under the Geneva Convention and transfer their population to those same lands.

That's a fact.

Both the UN and the International community sees these population transfers as illegal.

That's a fact.

And as for your assertion that I am for collective punishment of all, some or a few Israelis is a fevered lie.

I actually believe in the rule of law, applied to all fairly, instead if what I see coming from team Hasbara: self deception and the deception of others in order to build empire for those in the right club.

[oberliner]

133. Why don't you post in the I/P forum?

You obviously still have very strong feelings on the subject.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

138. Why don't you take yer ball and run home?

Hasbarists make poor sports.

[tritsofme]

2. Wonderful, hope she enjoy her time in the Land of Milk and Honey!

Lot's of great American expats to meet!

[brooklynite]

32. She's not going...like she didn't go to Hong Kong.

Unlike Senator Sanders, she makes campaigning her first priority.

[Unicorn]

120. Are they massively weathly like her average fundraiser audience?

I think she will be there to attract the wealthy's money to her campaign.

I'm sure she'll do plenty for them.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

3. Well, seeing how cozy she is with apartheid Likud

some might imagine that she sees them as her constituents.

BTW: How many American fundies have settled in the West Bank?

[Tarc]

6. Apartheid was in South Africa

I realize that it is a colorful slur for anti-Israeli protests (I used to use it myself), but it does not jive with reality.

[beedle]

7. you realize 'aparthied' is a word with a meaning

and not the name of a place in South Africa?

[Tarc]

11. I think most readers can parse my sentence quite easily, thanks

But for those that need a hand...

"Apartheid" is a term was coined for the South African system of government-orchestrated segregation by race. The term is (mis)used by Palestinian sympathizers to attack Israel's methods of defending themselves against continued attacks and aggression.

[beedle]

12. So the difference is?

Segregation by ethnicity and religion instead of race, and protecting themselves against attacks and aggression from palestinians instead of blacks?

Bet if we checked back pre-civil war, they were saying 'slavery was just a term coined by the Romans to protect themselves against the unsavoury advances of the uncivilized hordes.

Same shit, different anus.

[Tarc]

24. Building a wall to keep acts of terrorism at bay is not apartheid

Sorry, but "Israeli apartheid" is just ill-informed apologist rhetoric.

[beedle]

34. That's exactly what it is ...

... or rather that's exactly the same excuse for the same actions.

You have no fucking clue what Apartheid is, do you?

There aren't Palestinians behind these fences.




And guess what the ANA was classified as during that time? Mandela? Remember him? He was considered a terrorist and locked away behind an 'Apartheid Wall'.

[Tarc]

43. You can keep swinging and a'missin all day if you like

Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza are not Israeli citizens, they have no rights under Israeli law; if their lives are poor, then they should take it up with the PLO and Hamas leaders who have led them into this mess.

South Africa practiced apartheid against its own citizenry, within its own borders.

[beedle]

50. OFFS

And Blacks in South Africa were not full citizens either. The Apartheid government also claimed Blacks had no rights to the same law as the whites. They blamed the poverty of the Blacks on the Black leaders, just like you are doing.

My Gawd, you would have made a pretty damn fine white supremacists.

[pintobean]

59. Jury results

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[beedle]

60. Thank you jury.

personally though I will delete this post myself is someone can explain the big difference between how the South African Apartheid government treated Blacks in South Africa, and how the Israeli government treats the Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories.

The same justifications, the same methodologies are used ... enemies called terrorists, the same excuse that "THEY' want to drive us from OUR homes and would murder US in our sleep if we didn't lock them up behind protective barriers, etc. Same dismissal of THEM as an inscrutable enemy that can not be reasoned with. It's THEIR own leaders fault, etc, etc.

[Mosby]

80. you think personal attacks are OK?

If the poster deserved it?

[beedle]

88. I think standing against bigotry

where ever it takes place and pointing it out is worth the risk of offending the feelings of the few forum posters .. yes.

What do you think a person should do when they encounter bigotry on line?

[Mosby]

91. saying that there is no aparthied in israel and the west bank

Does not make one a bigot, so your latest personal attack does not even make sense.

Everyone in Israel has the same rights.

The West Bank is not Israel.

The IDF have the legal authority to be in the west bank, per the Oslo accords.

You are aware that there have been hundreds of acts of violence just in the past 6 months against Israelis, Palestinian terrorists have killed more than 30 Israelis and hundreds have been wounded.

[beedle]

92. And any of that is different to what was going on in South Africa exactly how?

Everyone in White South Africa had the same rights as well, assuming they were white, just as is the case in Israel, only Jewish is the new white.

The Black Townships of South Africa were essentially not 'South Africa', at least not in terms of laws, justice, resources, etc. If you were from a Township you had about the same rights in the White cities as a Palestinian from Gaza has in Israel.

The Afrikaners had the legal authority to be in the Black townships and distribute their version of justice as well. I suppose this 'right' had a different name than the 'Oslo accords', but the actions and results are hardly much different.

I also assume you are aware that there were also hundreds of acts of violence in any 6 month period against Afrikaners in South Africa, and they too were under the impression that an ethnic group fighting against their oppressors made them terrorists ... and like the Afrikaners, some Israeli supporters are just as blind to the fact that many more acts of violence and deaths were committed against the Black Township people ... but that can be ignored, because bigotry is still alive and well.

again, bigotry comes from ignorance ... at least you seem to have that going for you.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

101. Poor, poor mosby. Are your thoughts on autopilot tonight?

"Everyone in Israel has the same rights. The West Bank is not Israel."

Israeli invaders in the OPT have full rights of Israel, yet the Palestinians are treated as slaves under rules dating from the Ottoman empire.

And...

Bedouins who happen to be Israeli are constantly treated like third class citizens.

You poor souls are really horrible with the splainin of late.

[oberliner]

107. Palestinians in the West Bank are treated as slaves?

You really believe this?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

119. When they're not treated like moving targets.

Does clutching at pearls make you any more believeable?

[oberliner]

130. In the West Bank?

Have you ever been?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

98. LOL! So Israelis squatting on Palestinian land have rights, but

the same Palestinians being ethnically cleased by these squatters have no rights...in your opinion???



Oh, hasbara!

[Tarc]

111. They both have a claim to the territory

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

122. The Israeli land grab position is built on a mountain of bullshit.

And that's what the bankrupt hasbarist argument boils down to.

"Sure, the Jews have Israel, but we want to take yhe Palestinian lands too."

If this is your position then you are in good company with Andrew Jackson and his Trail of Tears, the Conquistadors destruction of the Aztecs and the Cossaks pogroms against their victims.

There's always an excuse for land theft via butchery and the easy mark that falls for such bullshit.

[Tarc]

124. And that's your excuse for Palestinian terrorism

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

127. Thanks for acknowledging your part.

If you keep on beating down a population then they tend to fight back.

That's what you want to ignore.

[Tarc]

135. You say that like it's a bad thing

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

136. I guess that somebody might find Israeli apartheid attractive in the same way that

some find the most repulsive aspects of human nature titilating.

It takes all kinds, I guess.

[grossproffit]

16. +1000

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. You might want to drop a note to Carter that he should not use that term

http://www.haaretz.com/news/jimmy-carter-israel-s-apartheid-policies-worse-than-south-africa-s-1.206865

[Tarc]

20. Jimmy Carter is otherwise an reputable individual, but

quite a panderer on this one.

[nadinbrzezinski]

26. Actuyally he is not the only one

he is just one in a long list.

And you might want to also correct the Israeli left, and center parties

By the way, let me see who's words I take on this... you... or Israeli citizens... hmmm, hard decision really.

By the way, if Israel does not stop these policies, it is signing it's death warrant as a state, and I say that as a Jew. So please do jew 'spain to me how these policies in the long term will help Israel survive.

[Mosby]

79. Carter didn't say what you think he said.

Regarding his use of the word Apartheid, he clarified, "I know that Israel is a wonderful democracy with equal treatment of all citizens whether Arab or Jew. And so I very carefully avoided talking about anything inside Israel. The book is about Palestine and what’s going on inside the occupied territories…."

And he's wrong to use it in the context of the OTs because the security arrangements between the Israelis and the PA in the West Bank is spelled out in signed agreements between the two parties, they are collectively referred to as the Oslo Accords.

As for Gaza, there isn't a single Israeli or Jew to be found.

IMO the comparison is offensive and not just because it's cheap propaganda, I think it's disrespectful to the south Africans who lived under real Apartheid, comparing their struggle to the Palestinians, who's leaders have been rejecting peace offers for almost 80 years now and who continue to use terrorism instead of negotiation strips all real meaning from the word.


http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/12/13/carters-rhetoric-of-apartheid/?_r=0.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

19. I love the smell of desperate hasbara.

"Oh, we poor Israelis are just defending ourselves from the Palestinians as we steal their land: parcel by parcel."

"Oh, those mean Palestinians just don't understand that keeping them under military rule, using Ottoma-Empire era rules to prosecute them, taking their land by force, buring out their groves and fields, destroying/killing their livestock, shooting their children in the back...all the while using our military might to crush them and treat them as livestock in no way constitutes apartheid."



Yeah, there's usually a piss poor hasbara apologist taht surfaces to present their misinfirmed drivel whenever the truth about Israeli apartheid comes up.

[Tarc]

22. Perhaps the Palestinians should stop committing acts of terrorism to advance their cause

I sympathize with their lack of a contiguous nation to call their own, but bombing Israeli cafes, kidnapping and murdering IDF soldiers, and so on does not engender sympathy from the rest of the world.

[Human101948]

54. Actually almost insignificant compared to the war crimes committed by the right wing Israelis

The kill ratio is very much in the favor of the Israelis.

[Tarc]

58. Israelis do not blow up outdoor cafes, or busses

Sorry, but, war is not a pretty thing. Israel targets terrorists for killing, the problem is that they often use civilians as shields.

[Human101948]

61. You really do buy into the propaganda...

Amnesty International says there is "strong evidence" Israel committed war crimes in Gaza following the capture of a soldier by Hamas in last year's war.
Its report says at least 135 civilians were killed in a bombardment of Rafah after Lt Hadar Goldin was seized on 1 August. He was later declared dead.
Amnesty said Israel employed a "'gloves-off' policy with devastating consequences for civilians".
Israel dismissed the report as "fundamentally flawed" and one-sided.
The conflict lasted for 50 days between July and August, and ended in a truce.
On the Palestinian side, 2,251 people, 1,462 of them civilians, were killed, the UN says. On the Israeli side, 67 soldiers were killed along with six civilians.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33700343

[Tarc]

63. I have no issue at all with any of Israel's actions in those circumstances

Anything else?

[Lancero]

81. So you think that a military slaughtering civlians en mass is perfectly acceptable then?

[oberliner]

83. "a military slaughtering civlians en mass"

This is something you believe is happening?

[Lancero]

100. They killed over a thousand civilians.

Civilians. Unable to defend themselves. Many of the dead were killed by bombing.

So yes - I'd call bombing defenseless civilians a slaughter.

[oberliner]

104. That's true

Considering the rocket fire emanating from Gaza towards Israel and the tendency for Hamas to launch rockets from within civilian areas, it would have been next to impossible to conduct any kind of military operation there without some civilian casualties. That is a relatively small number under those circumstances, though every civilian death is a tragedy. Certainly Israel (like all countries in similar situations) could have taken more care to avoid such casualties, but they were not bombing civilians en masse as you claimed. It is also important to recognize that rockets were being launched from Hamas towards Israel from Gaza and that the leadership of Gaza were actively planning operations to capture and kill Israelis (one such operation having been frighteningly successful).

[Tarc]

89. No, but that's not what actually happened, Mr. Hyperbole

Unlike PLO-financed terrorists, the IDf does not target civilians for murder.

[Lancero]

99. Except you did just say that you found nothing wrong with their actions...

...One of which was causing the deaths of over a thousand civilians.

Considering though that they went ahead and bombed UN schools and hospitals, despite being warned that 'hey, this is a hospital/school you idiots', you can't really say that they haven't targeted civilians.

Or are school children and the infirm no longer considered to be civilians?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

102. Oh, but they do bomb children in a beach and snipe them in the back.

[Tarc]

112. `Fraid not

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

123. Oh, such sand you bury your head in my poor little ostritch.

[broiles]

129. R. Daniel Olivaw is one of the best posters! I click on his posts ever time.

[deathrind]

55. What would you advise them to do?

First let me say I do not condone terrorism or acts of violence in any form it would be wonderful to live in a world where everyone gets along but that is simply not the reality.

I see this comment a lot about how the Palastinians should act. But they are being systematically pushed off land they have lived on for many many years. The US, the UN has consistently admonished Isreal for its settlement expansions yet it continues to do so. Word are nice but they are only that...words. Perhaps if Palastinians had F16's / M1 Abrams / Cat D11's it would be viewed simply as them exercising their right to defend themselves just as Isreal has the same right....but they do not.

Tell me what would you do if you were awoken at 4am and told you have a few minutes to get round up your stuff before your house is bull dozed and the land it sits on is taken for settlement expansion and not just your house but entire swaths of land are routinely taken in this fashion by Israel.

I live along the US border with Mexico...if the Mexican Army showed up and started doing this I can assure you Americans would not simply sit back and say ok...

As for the use of the word "Apartheid". Look at the living conditions of the people in the Gaza Strip and if you can put forth a better word to describe those condition and the control the people there live under please do so.

[oberliner]

85. There is not a single Israeli or Jew in the Gaza Strip

Not sure if you are aware of that.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

21. I'm so happy that you can regugitate RE talking points WRT Israel's shitty human rights policies.

Apartheid exists in Right Wing bigoted Israel.

The Palestinian population has been living under Israeli apartheid for decades, and yet those who have their faces pressed up the backside of Israeli segregation, apartheid, Jim Crow just love to attempt to bullshit the masses.

[Tarc]

25. The Palestinians commit acts of terrorism on a daily basis

A wall to minimize their effect on Israel proper is more than justified.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

30. That's strange. I made no mention of the wall, but thank you for bring g it up.

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The wall is a separation wall which works wonders at separating Palestinian villages from its farms and fields: alliwing the dusgusting illegal colonists ti take them over as if they belinged to them.

But I di also thank you. There's nothing more than a poor hasbarist would like to di than move attention away from the invasion force of 500k illegal Israeli colonists, eating up Palestinian territories, under the wstchful protection of the guns if the IDF.

What's next from you: gushing praise from Likud and Bibi the baby-killer?

[Tarc]

35. Lot of typos there, are you feeling ok? Little agitated?

I don't agree with everything Israel has done throughout, e.g. I'd prefer to see them give up the to Jerusalem as its capital.

If the Palestinians want to step up and be honest partners in the peace efforts, I'm all for it, but a complete renunciation of terrorism and a boot of Hamas out of the West Bank and Gaza is where they'll have to start.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

44. Cute. I can correct my typos. How easily will you

correct your misinformation WRT Israel and it's system of apartheid?

BTW: Israel invading the West Bank with 500K illegal colonists could easily be argued as not only terrorism but also an act of war.

And speaking of Hamas. Did you know that Israel helped to create that monster?

Please tell me that you at least know that.

[Tarc]

47. Israel is not responsible for the acts committed by or creation of terrorist organization, sorry

There is no "apartheid" in the state of Israel; click your heels 3 times and wishing will not make it so. Israeli Arabs have all the rights as Israeli Jews do. The people in the Palestinian Territories are not citizens.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

139. Keep on burying your head lil ostritch.

It's funny to watch.

[Tarc]

140. Cool story, bro

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

141. Best one around when I can laugh at others overt bigotry.

[Tarc]

142. Like your anti-Israeli sentiment?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

143. What's even better is I get to laugh at their half-baked fantasy as well.

[Tarc]

144. And I can only feel pity for someone who hates Israelis so much, yet...

supports a Jewish candidate who, despite occasional lapses into Palestinian propagandizing, still has strong ties to the state of Israel himself.

Must be a real corker of a conundrum for ya.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

145. I also love how the poor dears believe their own propaganda.

[Tarc]

146. Yep, a good ol a.s. to the end

Welcome to ignore.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

147. And when they know that they are losing their argument

they just can't help but to resort to calling others anti-Semites.

Poor dears.

They think nothing of the wholesale slaughter of Palestinians by Israelis, but mention apartheid abd the poor dears just fall to pieces.

[azurnoir]

27. No the term is used because Israel has 2 different sets of laws

One for Israeli Jews and one for Palestinians, even the age at which one is considered an adult or criminally responsible is different

[Tarc]

29. The West Bank & Gaza are not a part of Israel, thus those there do not have Israeli rights

South Africa's policy of apartheid applied to its own citizens within its own borders. Within the state of Israel itself, Jewish and non-Jewish citizens are treated no differently.

Apples & oranges, bro.

[azurnoir]

36. the Israeli's living in the West Bank are not citizens of the land they occupy

and are colonizing illegally according to international law and before you go one about how Israeli Arabs and Israeli Jews are not treated differently I would take a closer look start with family unification law which does not allow Palestinians married to Israeli Arabs to live in Israel with their spouses

[Tarc]

45. Marriage does not confer automatic citizenship

[azurnoir]

49. laws prevent residence I never said anything about citizenship

[artislife]

41. Just because we use the word Kleenex, doesn't

mean we won't take another facial tissue.

Holocaust is another one of those words

[artislife]

40. Zing!

[cherokeeprogressive]

51. This one ridiculed people for discussing a "white noise generator", until it was proven to exist.

So you won't get anywhere here. Might as well be arguing with a slug. Maybe it is a slug, who knows.

[beedle]

53. A slug

who seems to be disgusted by snails because they leave behind a trail of slime.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

15. Apartheid exists in Israel, and the West Bank, but I do appreciate

how desperate the hasbara is to splain away brutal Israeli policy.

[bjo59]

28. Exactly. But no Clinton supporter will ever admit that ...

since she is an adamant supporter of current Israeli policies and a 100% defender of Netanyahu. I also doubt they get the point about so many who have moved into illegal West Bank settlements are duel US/Israeli citizens. And if they do, it's not in their best interests to admit that either.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

39. Winner! Winner! Chicken dinner!

[kgnu_fan]

4. She will ignore blood and tear of Palestinians

[Dem2]

38. Yes of course the evil Clinton

She just hates those Palestinians they are evil right?

[emulatorloo]

5. Hope Bernie does the same.

[kgnu_fan]

10. End the occupation! That is what Hillary needs to say.

[Igel]

17. Without the "occupation,"

we'd have a little Libya or Syria.

To be honest, the only thing that's keeping that from happening now in dramatic fashion is that Hamas-occupied Gaza and the PA-run West Bank are separated by a buffer (it helps that Hamas purged the Gaza to institute its single-party rule). A secondary factor that's preventing it from happening in a more slow-burn way is having a common enemy running around internal to the West Bank. Take away that enemy, and either the country of Israel would have to provide the unifying enemy or the Hamasians in the West Bank would be actively fighting the PAers. In the first case Israel would again be at war and have little choice but to occupy the areas (oh, noes!) or at least try to; in the second, for sure it would somehow be somebody else's fault because Hamas and the PA can never be held responsible, and that somebody else would be Israel. Although in the second case there'd almost certainly be some sort of international coalitions involved with planes and boots on the ground in a small little plot of ground. That wouldn't end well.

I'll leave aside those who consider Tel Aviv and Haifa to be occupied and under apartheid rule as would-be genocides.

I'll also leave aside the Shebaa Farms as a ginned up provocation for the weak to find justification in, and the rest of the occupied Golan as an issue to be resolved between governments with due regard to previous armistice and ceasefire lines, as well as prior violations of those lines ... and with little population involved.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

23. It's not occupation. It's forced colinization of Palestinian lands.

[grossproffit]

33. Sanders would disagree.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

48. I don't care. I'm not married to every opinion

that Bernie might have.

Being in lock step with a political candidate is just really creepy...IMHO.

[Tarc]

73. The Israelis pulled out of Gaza in 2005

The mess there is all in the PLO's hands.

[kgnu_fan]

74. Gaza under occupation. Some of you need to learn what is going on.

[Mosby]

84. there are no Israelis in Gaza

And Gaza shares a border with Egypt, how could Israel possibly be occupying Gaza, some sort of kaballah magic?

[kgnu_fan]

87. too many ignorant people ....

[Unicorn]

121. Excuse me? You are saying - end the occupation of Palestine and that's why Hillary needs to stay?

You have that way backwards if that's what you just said.

Netanyahu is FOR the occupation. The right wing Israeli's are FOR the occupation. Hillary is massively pro Netanyahu and the right wing Israeli stance on this. In fact she always aligns with the right wing stance which is likely because one of their billionaires is a major campaign funder to her.

She will be fighting to keep the occupation.

[grossproffit]

14. Wonderful!

[oberliner]

46. That's a lie

Sarah Bard is holding a fundraiser for Americans living in Israel on behalf of the Clinton campaign.

There have been over a dozen fundraisers held for Americans living in various countries around the world on behalf of the Clinton campaign.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

65. Americans living in Israel = West Bank squatters.

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[oberliner]

70. That's also a lie

Most Americans who live in Israel do not live in the West Bank (and the ones who do are mostly not Democrats).

[brooklynite]

77. Since they believe that "Clinton isn't a Democrat" you can understand their confusion...

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

97. Oh, I never mentioned the percentage, ober, but how nice of you obfuscate.

Some 60 thousand illegal colonists, sqyatting in the West Bank...Palestinian land, are Americans.

http://europe.newsweek.com/study-15-west-bank-settlers-are-american-nationals-332168

There was no lie...from me that is.



And if these invaders of Palestine actually stood for "Democratic values" they wouldn't be involved in any way with ethnic cleansing.

Better luck next time.

[oberliner]

105. You wrote "Americans living in Israel = West Bank squatters"

The truth is that most Americans living in Israel do not live in the West Bank.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

117. And again, thanks for the attempt at blowing smoke rings.

I did not mention where the majority live, ober. That's your splainist fantasy. I merely pointed out that 60 thousand Americans are squating in the West Bank.

And we all know that the West Bank does not belong to Israel or it's dual citizen Anerican a-holes.

I'm sure those apartheidists would live them some Hillary time, though.

[oberliner]

132. OK

But most Americans living in Israel do not live in the West Bank. Especially not those who support Democratic candidates for President such as Hillary Clinton.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

137. I provide facts. You provide conjecture.

Same as it always was.

[Califonz]

52. Neocons gotta neocon

[pdsimdars]

56. Do people over there like her? I mean her likeability is the lowest ever recorded for a Democratic

candidate.

[Tarc]

72. Seeing how Sanders is rather hostile to Israel and more sympathetic to the Palestinians

I'd say they like her quite well, comparatively.

[tabasco]

62. HOW is she getting there????

IS SHE USING CAMPAIGN FUNDS???

[oberliner]

69. She is not going

Misleading headline.

[JackRiddler]

78. LOL

[hellofromreddit]

86. I bet she won't even see the Pope.

[jillan]

93. Who is going to pay for her plane fare???!!!!

Is she using campaign funds?!?! Where will she sleep???!!!

[oberliner]

108. She is not going

The OP must be extremely misleading and/or confusing for people to think that Hilary herself is going there.

[insta8er]

95. I guess she will go there to explain why she authorized the largest arms

Sales in the history of the United States to Saudi Arabia who is regarded as an enemy of Israel.

[oberliner]

109. She is not going there

It is interesting how the OP gives the impression that she is.

[Divernan]

103. Overseas fundraisers less likely to be scrutized for "irregularities", i.e., cheating

Back in 2007-08, the Clinton campaign got caught using straw men funneling maximum, $2300 contributions through minimum wage waiters, cooks, dishwashers, etc. in New York's Chinatown. But NYC is a far more accessible and inexpensive location for investigative journalists to track down & interview alleged donors, then is Israel. And then there is the whole issue of the large number of Israelis holding dual citizenship with Israel and the U.S., which so slickly circumvents the campaign contribution rules. Ya know, the ole slick Clinton "depends what the meaning of 'is' is" approach to interpreting and applying the law.

The Times examined the cases of more than 150 donors who provided checks to Clinton after fundraising events geared to the Chinese community. One-third of those donors could not be found using property, telephone or business records. Most have not registered to vote, according to public records.

And several dozen were described in financial reports as holding jobs — including dishwasher, server or chef — that would normally make it difficult to donate amounts ranging from $500 to the legal maximum of $2,300 per election. …”

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-donors19oct19,0,4231217.story?coll=la-home-center

Dishwashers for Clinton
Once again, a zeal for campaign cash trumps common sense.

“…This appears to be another instance in which a Clinton campaign’s zeal for campaign cash overwhelms its judgment. After the fundraising scandals of President Bill Clinton‘s 1996 reelection campaign, the dangers of vacuuming cash from a politically inexperienced immigrant community should have been obvious. But Ms. Clinton’s money machine seized on a new source of cash in Chinatown and environs. As the Times reported, a single Chinatown fundraiser in April brought in $380,000. By contrast, 2004 Democratic presidential nominee John F. Kerry raised $24,000 from Chinatown in the course of his entire campaign. …”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/21/AR2007102101069.html

HILL’S CASH EYED AS CHINESE-LAUNDERED

“…Hsiao Yen Wang, a cook in Chinatown, is listed as giving Clinton $1,000 on April 13. Contacted yesterday, she told The Post she had written a check.

But it was on behalf of a man named David Guo, president of the Fujian American Cuisine Council, and Wang told The Post that Guo had repaid her for the $1,000 contribution.

Such “straw donations” are strictly prohibited by federal law.

In addition, yesterday’s search by The Post also turned up several $1,000 donations from Chinatown that were made by cooks, dishwashers, a cashier and a college student. …”

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10202007/news/nationalnews/hills_cash_eyed_as_chinese_lau.htm

[oberliner]

110. Both Clinton and Sanders have gotten significant contributions from Democrats living abroad

Clinton the most, of course, but Sanders has gotten a fair number as well. The Republican, barely any.

[kgnu_fan]

113. So corrupt...

[onenote]

114. Once and for all: this is a fundraiser conducted by Americans living in Israel

and Clinton is not attending it.

There is nothing wrong with it just as there is nothing wrong with Americans living abroad donating to Bernie.

Faux outrage does not become us.

[Divernan]

116. Clinton campaign caught cheating in 2007-8 in these fundraisers

That's what my post is about. I did not say or in any manner imply that Hillary Clinton was attending.

It is demonstrated fact, as documented by the links in my post, that Clinton fundraisers were caught cheating due to diligent investigative journalism carried out in New York City.

[northernsouthern]

126. The most telling part of the video...

Where the person shouts,"We don't care what you think." There is a slogan for HRC.

[ericson00]

128. GOOD! I like a President who stands with the majority of Americans (by 4:1 ratios)

as well as the majority of Democrats, as in, WITH THE JEWISH STATE OF ISRAEL!

[kgnu_fan]

134. kick