2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat if Social Security was something new that Sanders was proposing? Can you even imagine?
It's be like filthy hippies wanting free stuff wouldn't it?
One of my FB friends posted one of those social security memes and that was my reply. You know the ones ranting about how it's not an entitlement, that Americans worked hard and paid for it and all that. There isn't really anything we want that's not the same. We know universal health care isn't free. No tuition for college like we used to have was never free, taxes paid for that. Like health care and social security, everyone didn't use it equally. You may not have lived to collect much SS, or gone to college, but you lived in a better country because others were able to.
dchill
(38,505 posts)What these "New Democrats" really think of FDR, and liberalism as a whole. Too much sand.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)based on an idea put forth in 1881 by Germany's Emperor, William the First.
So, no, I can't imagine him proposing the ideas created by Emperors and Imperial chancellors because they knew such a system of taking care of their elderly would improve the efficiency of an Imperial economy.
Social Security History
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Peace Patriot
(24,010 posts)...have advocated, let alone supported and enacted, Social Security--nor Medicare.
And you only have to look at their behavior on Medicare-for-all ("single payer" --a policy that's been part of the Democratic Party platform for over 50 years--to understand what they would say and do if Social Security were proposed today.
Back-burner. Lip service (if that). Collude with transglobal corporations and banksters to figure out how to profiteer on elderly retirement funds.
Real reform would be squashed as "too radical" and "not possible." A retirement program that permits and encourages profiteering would be touted as a "great accomplishment."
The New Dealers were LEFTISTS. They didn't put up with crap like that.
And that is what we need right now as our presidential candidate and our president--a real New Deal LEFTIST!
If Hillary Clinton is elected (and actually I don't think she can win the GE without vote rigging--her negatives are too high), we will see Social Security privatized within a decade. 'Third Wayers' and Republicans are in agreement on this. They've been propagandizing about it for years, with absolute lies that the SS fund is going broke. It is yet one more item on which there is no difference--or only the difference that our Democratic Party leaders put on a false face and lie about it. The 1%ers are now fully--and I mean fully--behind Clinton, and this is one of the reasons: Wall Street wants to get their hands on the Social Security fund. I wouldn't be surprised if that is one of the items in her $225,000 speeches to Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street firms, and why she cannot release those transcripts.
brewens
(13,596 posts)considerably younger the first time I heard that. Like the RW has done with everything. Break it, then point to it being broken as the reason to do away with it.
I lost what could have been a good job that way once. The old school beer guys that ran the Budweiser distributor I worked for were forced by the majority owner lady to expand into the wine business. The manager/part owner and his son didn't really ever want anything to do with it. They pretty much just mailed it in. Didn't do their jobs and let it fail. Our assistant manager was on the ball, but everything including all the heat fell on him. It wasn't long before he was all for getting out of it as well.
The lady that owned the place was then just a few years from developing dementia and passing away. She was no longer up to staying on top of things and trusted those guys too much. They had all the excuses and won out. Someone should have been fired early on.
Igel
(35,320 posts)What we see is the result of mission creep and gradual expansion when possible or necessary. It's also be funded a bit differently, a difference without much more than a legal distinction, but which added more transparency than at present.