Demoralize is a Thing.

[Sky Masterson]

de·mor·al·ize
dəˈmôrəˌlīz/
verb: demoralize; 3rd person present: demoralizes; past tense: demoralized; past participle: demoralized; gerund or present participle: demoralizing; verb: demoralise; 3rd person present: demoralises; past tense: demoralised; past participle: demoralised; gerund or present participle: demoralising
1. cause (someone) to lose confidence or hope; dispirit.
"their rejection of the treaty has demoralized the diplomatic community"
synonyms: dishearten, dispirit, deject, cast down, depress, dismay, daunt, discourage, unman, unnerve, crush, shake, throw, cow, subdue;

This is what I notice the most as being a tactic used here and in the news circles.
I notice the busy beavers scanning the global net searching for that one bit of text written by some douche at his keyboard
that stirs an angry response or adulation from like-minded people.
They want us to stop feeling hope.
They want us to give up. Eat our peas.
They want you to think "Why Vote?" It's over. Go home. Mow your grass and have a beer.
They want as badly as George W Bush landing on that carrier under the banner "Mission Accomplished" that the Iraq war was over
and all is groovy.

They want us to drop our torches in the lake and go home.
Comply.
I am here to tell them that WE will NOT go silently into the night.
It is over at the convention or when or if Bernie drops out.
So work away you busy beavers. Try to dishearten us.
It just pisses us off and makes us work harder.
It also does nothing to help Secretary Clinton become even close to palatable to us.

[Sky Masterson]

1. And then one gets in trouble for being mean.

Still not Demoralized.

[all american girl]

2. You mean like all those months and months and months that it was happening to the

Hillary supporters, because yes, you are right. I would get off here just so frustrated and sad that there was so many articles from rightwing sites. So many half truths and sometimes, just down right lies. If you were a Hillary support there was alert stalking and just plan swarming because someone was trying to correct the record.

[boston bean]

3. +1000

[Sky Masterson]

4. I wasn't posting here much or paying attention all those months ago.

And yes. People are mean.
People post insane stuff to get a rise out of people.
I see total bullshit posted about both candidates.
I try to stay away from that.
Can I ask you how often you read something here that angers you to no end?
Because I and We see it too.
This place is a warzone and it is very very easy to fall in and say mean things.
And you can ask the establishment here. I NEVER alert.
I think it is a weapon used too often when an ignore is a better choice.

[all american girl]

11. Well, this morning I woke up to Monica...

and someone thought it was OK to say that Bill and Monica's affair was also Hillary's fault...yeah, saw red...to be honest, the whole damn OP made me see read.

I don't comment much...never have, but I have been so angry for months. The disregard to the Hillary supporters...we have been told we don't care for the poor, we are warmongers, Third Way (what ever that is)...and that's the nice stuff. They even gone after AAs who supported Hillary, trying to give them advice about Bernie's outreach to the AA community.

There has been 1990's rightwing shit on here, I swear I was waiting for someone to bring up Vince Foster. I think the Hillary supporters are just sick of how they have been treated by the majority here. They even can't accept that Hillary is winning. It's always stolen, never that more people voted for her. It's tiring.

[Armstead]

15. If you say "whatever Third Way is" that's the problem.

The Third Way movement is a dominant political faction within the Democratic Party led by the Clintons and DLC "centrists" whose primary purpose has been to drag the Democratic Party away from its association with "liberal" positions and goals and messages. In the 90's that included the disassociation with social justice.

That is NOT conspiracy theory. All you have to do is read their own positions papers and statements.

Now if you agree that the Democratic party should not be liberal on economic and certain social issues (welfare, anyone?) then fine. own that position. But don't pretend that it is something it isn't.

[all american girl]

20. An labels still mean nothing to me

I decide thru my own research, not labels.

[Armstead]

29. They should...Here's an article to add to your research..A little historical perspective

http://prospect.org/article/how-dlc-does-it

" on the divisive issue of trade rights for China. Lobbyists for big business were battling the AFL-CIO and environmental groups on Capitol Hill for every vote......In The New Democrat, the DLC's monthly magazine, Washington's most powerful business lobbyist, Thomas J. Donohue of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, wrote that even though some members of Congress risked losing the AFL-CIO's support, "business will stick by Democrats on the China trade vote."

Simon Rosenberg, the former field director for the DLC who directs the New Democrat Network, a spin-off political action committee, says, "We're trying to raise money to help them lessen their reliance on traditional interest groups in the Democratic Party. In that way," he adds, "they are ideologically freed, frankly, from taking positions that make it difficult for Democrats to win."

Though the DLC painted itself using the palette of the liberal left--as "an effort to revive the Democratic Party's progressive tradition," with New Democrats being the "trustees of the real tradition of the Democratic Party"--its mission was far more confrontational. With few resources, and taking heavy flak from the big guns of the Democratic left, the DLC proclaimed its intention, Mighty Mouse–style, to rescue the Democratic Party from the influence of 1960s-era activists and the AFL-CIO, to ease its identification with hot-button social issues, and, perhaps most centrally, to reinvent the party as one pledged to fiscal restraint, less government, and a probusiness, pro–free market outlook.

Though the dwindling chorus of party progressives provides counterpoint, today's Democrats are proud to claim the mantle of budgetary moderation. They oppose President Bush's $2-trillion tax-cut plan not by arguing mainly for more spending on health, education, and welfare, but because it risks the new sacred cause of paying off the national debt. They are the party of increased military spending, the death penalty, the war on drugs, and partnership with religious faith. They are the party of Ending Welfare As We Know It, the party of The Era of Big Government Is Over.

"We're a party that's going through a transition from one ideology to another," says NDN's Rosenberg. "It was 40 years between the creation of the National Review and Newt Gingrich's takeover of Congress in 1994. We're only 16 years into this. Are we challenging old ways and leaders who've been around for a while? Are we being contentious? Yes."

Of course, it is easier to be contentious when you are well financed. And the DLC message of pro-market moderation is just what organized business wants to hear. From its modest beginnings...One by one, Fortune 500 corporate backers saw the DLC as a good investment. By 1990 major firms like AT&T and Philip Morris were important donors. Indeed, according to Reinventing Democrats, Kenneth S. Baer's history of the DLC, Al From used the organization's fundraising prowess as blandishment to attract an ambitious young Arkansas governor to replace Senator Sam Nunn of Georgia as DLC chairman. Drawing heavily on internal memos written by From, Bruce Reed, and other DLCers, Baer says that the DLC offered Clinton not only a national platform for his presidential aspirations but "entree into the Washington and New York fundraising communities." Early in the 1992 primaries, writes Baer, "financially, Clinton's key Wall Street support was almost exclusively DLC-based," especially at firms like New York's Goldman, Sachs.

MORE

[dchill]

31. Your own research is pretty hit and miss, I must say.

[all american girl]

39. Why is there the need to insult. Just because I didn't come to the same conclusion

as you doesn't mean it should be invalidated. I'm not sure this always has to happen. Maybe open a dialog, discuss, even argue, but insulting someone just shuts it all down. Nothing is learned or understood.

[dchill]

58. You insult the rest of us when you base your posts on shoddy research.

If you don't/didn't know about Third Way, it begs the question - what other really important facts are missing from your judgment base? Your pro-Clinton stance is probably really misinformed, which makes your posts misinformation. You're not the one who is, or should be, insulted.

[all american girl]

87. If you look at #2, I was writing about my observations here.

First you insult me, then tell me that I basically have no right to feel insult....because I guess you say so. If you wanted to inform me of my "shoddy research" I think being rude may not be the most constructed way to go. You may not have intended to be insulting, but you were.

[Hiraeth]

60. If labels mean nothing to you why did you just use one?

[all american girl]

86. Why is it that people can't have opinions without being attacked?

I'm not going to explain every inch of my thought process...it would be boring. It's OK for people to think some labels are not helpful and some are.

This is always why I question whether I should even enter these OPs. Some people pick apart every last word and try really hard to prove others wrong, even if there is no need...I have a 17 year old daughter, and this feels very much like arguing with her. It's not just you. I made the mistake of voicing an opinion on a couple of OPs and most people have been wonderful...it's just people like you who feel the need to be almost insulting...maybe that's not what you intend, but that is the way you come across.

[Hiraeth]

91. I just found it odd that used a label and then turned right around and said you don't believe in

labels ... that is all.

[frylock]

133. Isn't "Democrat" just a label?

[haikugal]

34. Thank you Armstead...this denial of the reality is beyond disgusting to me.

[Sky Masterson]

17. IMHO

What happened between Bill and Mrs. Lewinsky was Bill and Mrs. Lewenskys fault alone.
You are correct to be angry about that.
I get it. Trust me, I do.
This forum is both the best and the worst.
It creates Monsters.
No one here is immune to it from the creator of this place down to this guy writing this post.
We are human and we have preferences.
The Lewensky comment seems to have originated as an example of bullying from the Clinton Campaign from Rosario Dawson although it was a low shot. There was a point to it.

[all american girl]

24. Yep, yep, yep

I heard why she brought it up, but to be honest there are many more famous people who speak out against bullying...so yeah, no warm feelings here.

I do find it funny that they are talking about bullying now. All over the interwebs people have felt bullied by the most vocal Bernie supporters...Hell they even went after Trayvon Martin's mom when she endorsed Hillary. I don't know, just because Hillary supporters are feeling more confident to let their voices be heard isn't bullying, though I'm sure there are vocal Hillary supporters also...

[Sky Masterson]

28. Just look at it this way

Many of those people are young and excitable.
This is the first election many of them have been in so they are just now learning the ropes.
Personally, I notice bullying of Bernie by entire news networks and so do they.
As angry as Hillary Supporters get when talk of stealing Delegates, we get angry at systematic errors in voting that always seem to favor one side.

[all american girl]

33. Oh, I understand that, but it's gone off the rails way too much

And believe me, we always need to work to make voting better and easier. Unfortunately, errors will happen when we have humans inputting info. Now, purposely disenfranchise voters-unacceptable. That's why I always check to make sure everything's OK.

We are Americans and we have the attention span of gnats...we forget or don't care, until the next time it happens. SMH

[Sky Masterson]

40. This Primary is off the rails

And we do have the attention span of gnats

[all american girl]

42. Awe Sky, you made me giggle

[Sky Masterson]

49. Did we Just leave a conversation

Nicely. This is rare here.
Thank you.
Have a wonderful Sunday.

[all american girl]

54. I know!!!!!

It was lovely. You have a great day. We are getting close to dinner here...YEAH!!!!!! so it's getting to the end of the day for me, and Monday is coming tooooooo soon

[Sky Masterson]

62. Have a great week

Except on Tuesday ( I couldn't resist) Namaste.

[liberal from boston]

74. Rosario Dawson

IMHO, Rosario Dawson was absolutely right when she stated "I am with Monica" that Hillary supporters are bullies using hateful rhetoric demanding Senator Sanders quit. Hillary's Super-PAC hired paid trolls at a cost of $1 Million to infiltrate Liberal social media posting mostly lies, hate. Obvious when Senator Sanders went to Vatican Conference that the insane attacks, lies comments were organized & rampant all thru social media.

[all american girl]

83. You are right...no one should demand that he quit

I think talking about the fact that his numbers don't really lead to a path to the nomination, that's fine. People like playing with numbers and see how it all works out.

This hired troll thing...I have no opinion on it. I have felt there were trolls who claimed to be for Bernie. I think this is what we are going to have to deal with here on out. I haven't seen any lies and hate towards Bernie, but then again I'm not on very many sites. I have seen things being posted that come from well established rightwing sites that people thought was cool....I don't fine it cool. I feel that if it can only be found at a right wing site, it has to be looked as suspect.

I will say for me the Vatican trip, itself, just seemed strange. I didn't make sense to me. There was was so much wrong info out there, and a lot coming from Bernie himself, I think that's why that got carried away. Though I will say, I was completely jealous of the dinner menu (**hit the wrong button**) and yes, I'm teasing.

[liberal from boston]

130. Pope Francis

Senator Sanders yesterday stated he has never paid anyone to post comments on social media. Hopefully you will understand why Senator Sander was invited to speak at the Vatican Economic Conference-- Bernie takes on income inequality, unfair wages, climate change, outsourcing jobs, etc. Sad that Hillary supporters reacted insanely to his visit--quite ugly. Suggest you click on link & scroll to a large photo of Pope Francis & read the handwritten greeting to Senator Sanders. All the hateful rhetoric from Clinton supporters was exposed--he was not invited, will not speak, stalked Pope Francis, etc. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017356452

[Hiraeth]

5. Is that why Bernie supporters get put on review and banned and Hillary supporters are allowed

multiple hides?

[all american girl]

9. Maybe because they may be out of line.

This morning I woke up to Monica and now there's an OP about what if Hillary had divorced Bill something, something, something. Out of line and stupid. Bernie supporters are far from innocent, in fact, I came back to here in Dec and I could believe the hate that I was seeing. You may not have viewed it that way. At that time I hadn't even decided, and even I was wondering what was going on with this place.

There have been OPs and comments that have been allowed to stand, even though they were clearly against TOS, because this place had far, far more Bernie supporters on the juries. People felt like they couldn't correct the record, because they were being alert stalked. Sorry, even the Hillary group was not immune to this. Just pointing out something about Bernie, that was true, but didn't put him in the best light, was hidden. It was bad. If you didn't see it, or thought this behavior was OK, well.....

[Hiraeth]

10. so that makes it alright for Hillary supporters to keep posting with more than five hides?

[all american girl]

12. Because it was so bad that people were having so many hides, they were being put on timeout

It was so bad that Skinner saw a pattern. Something had to give. Just because someone in criticizing Bernie, that is not worth a hide from the jury, but that was what was happening.

[Hiraeth]

21. It is a pattern for a FEW number of posters. and being critical of Bernie is not why they got their

hides. It is not What they said but How they said it. A pattern develops because of their rude behavior and the fact that DUers do not like it not, because the jury is stacked against them.

Have you read the transparency pages?

[all american girl]

26. No, I don't read transparency pages. I don't feel the need to disregard a persons

opinion because they may have something stupid, maybe when they felt they were being ganged up on, or maybe they had a bad day. I follow what the conversation is and I go from there. Yes there are hotheads, but please don't act like Hillary supporters haven't had the worse of it. Like I said, when I came back in Dec. I was undecided....and the rudeness was more on the Bernie side. I could see it. It made me sad to see this kind of behavior happening....and yes I was around for 2008, and I think this is far worse.

[haikugal]

43. This site is all in for Hillary...they are part of the campaign for pete's sake.

Do some research if you don't believe me..

[all american girl]

47. Seriously, this site is not all in for Hillary

There are far more Bernie supporters here than there are Hillary supports. And I'm not part of the campaign...I live overseas, so that wouldn't be convenient for anyone

[haikugal]

50. That isn't what I'm saying....

Skinners wife was treasurer for Hillary in 2008....I think they're more all in for Hillary than you know.

[all american girl]

61. So, what does that have to do with the posters here?

Oh, I now get what you are saying....sorry, that wasn't very clear. I think I knew that from before. Not something that's a big deal to me.

[Hiraeth]

55. The owners of this site support Hillary. The owners make the rules. The end.

[haikugal]

80. Exactly.

[all american girl]

88. I completely misread the first post....this is embarrassing

As far as owners rules, yep...that's how it works, but it's not like Bernie supports haven't had the same freedom.

[Hiraeth]

89. the same freedom to be Under Review at the discretion of the Owners for who knows how long? vs.

Posting forever no matter how many hides one gets ?!

Really ??

[all american girl]

93. Why is everyone up in arms about this? Did you not read the post from Skinner

awhile back. There was a problem with Hillary supporters getting alert stalked. It you're mad about it, take it up with Skinner, but maybe if people don't alert stalk and abuse, then maybe Skinner can put the rules back in place.

I've never been under review, so I have no idea how it works. I have never been in a time out, so I have no idea how it works. You are complaining to the wrong person. I've been here forever, but I've never been a big poster.

[Hiraeth]

95. not complaining. just asking questions to see how much you have really thougt this through.

that Skinner sees a problem and solves it in a manner such as he did. meh. what ever. It is his sandbox and we all just play in it.

I didn't see a problem. Now, I do. That the rules are unfairly applied. Such is life.

Life ain't fair.

[all american girl]

98. Well, that's you opinion.

[frylock]

134. Hillary Supporters were conspiring on another site to alert swarm Sanders supporters.

This is all documented.

[Hiraeth]

52. somehow, your Hillary avatar makes me doubt your sincerity.

[all american girl]

90. Well that's too bad. I try not to judge...sometimes, I admit I can such, but that's just me.

[Hiraeth]

92. I just think you were for Hillary all along and use the poision on this GD-P to rationlize

your decision. I could be wrong but, seems like the vitriol reinforced a decision you had already made.

[all american girl]

94. Why? And why does it matter to you when I decided to support Hillary?

I was undecided, I decided, I voted. It's not really that exciting. The rest of what you wrote, I'm going to choose to ignore...

[Hiraeth]

96. fine. Speaking of ignore, welcome to it.

[all american girl]

99. K, I'll try not to be too sad.

[JSup]

114. You...

...can take the hits, girl.

/impressed

<3

[all american girl]

116. Thank you!

I'm trying

[Dem2]

6. Yep, for those of us who support both candidates you are correct

I see this from both sides. There has been a lot of right-wing stuff posted from both sides.

[all american girl]

14. I'm a Hillary supporter, and if I see something from a rightwing thing

I generally don't read it...but I have been caught off guard...I don't know all the rightwing wack-a-doodle stuff

[Dem2]

16. Oh yes new sites are popping up all the time

I wasn't familiar with the one yesterday for instance but we looked it up and sure enough it was a right-wing source. The post was locked before the person could delete it.

[all american girl]

19. It's all so nuts...

[JoePhilly]

13. + 1

[uponit7771]

48. +1

[JaneyVee]

7. So America shouldnt discuss political reality because...

It might hurt Bernie fans feelings?

[Sky Masterson]

8. Political Reality is

That we pick our nominee at the convention.
Until those rules change there IS no political reality.

[randome]

18. No, you're not working harder that I can see.

No one is trying to take the issues away from you but if you put all your eggs into one personality (Sanders) and continue to trash-talk Clinton (not speaking of you personally, just Sanders supporters in general), then your issues get lost in the muddle.

Far too many Sanders supporters view themselves as losers and victims and that is not what this election should be about.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Precision and concision. That's the game.[/center][/font][hr]

[Sky Masterson]

22. It is important that Clinton be trash talked

There is a reason we have a Friday Night News dump.
We drop bad news on a friday so it will die down over the weekend.
Imagine all of these things being brought up about Secretary Clinton as that.
By the time we get to the General, If she is the Nominee,
then all of the dirt will be out there and there will be no October Surprise.
It seems like we are Hurting her but we are HELPING her.

[JSup]

115. I don't know...

...how to respond to this.

[Sky Masterson]

120. You don't have to respond.

You don't have to understand.
She is being forged by fire right now, which is better now than on stage in a debate with the Republican Nominee.
Did Hillary make Obama a better candidate?
She threw everything at him from not being sure he was a Christian,to a picture of him in a head garb.

This was from the Clinton campaign.
Now I ask you.Did being mean to Obama stop him from winning?

[JSup]

122. No, you have a point...

...I just wasn't sure that you actually meant to make it. Now I am. I think.

[Sky Masterson]

123. It has been a long day

And I'm tired.
Forgive me it I misread things.
I think I'm going to step away from this thread and watch Soccer.

[JSup]

124. It's fine...

...had I not seen your civil conversation with all american girl I would have just assumed you were being mean. Some of us can ask real question of each other and some of us can't and I always like to find the ones on either side that can.

[Sky Masterson]

125. Well , thank you.

Last edited Sun Apr 24, 2016, 05:37 PM - Edit history (1)

I must confess that sometimes I am mean.
It is difficult not to be mean after reading these boards.
I don't know why I'm surprised when the exact thing happened in here 08.
I really appreciate your calm, nice reply.
Often scoring points is all that people see here.

[JSup]

127. Yes, it is difficult...

...and I try to allow myself one 'daily snark' just to keep myself from turning into a monster.

[NurseJackie]

23. You're right. In fact, I saw a post where someone referred to Hillary as "classless lowlife" ...

... and it's things like, coming from his supporters, that that make rational people think less of Bernie. I suppose that such things would be less important if we could see it as being an "isolated incident" that could be dismissed as a one-off passionate kook. But when attacks and broad-brush insults like that are continuous, and when they come from a many many different individuals (as well as prominent celebs) then it ends up harming the candidate and the candidate's stature.

[Sky Masterson]

25. Not that it matters

Because it is what it is. I wasn't referring to the Secretary in that post.
I mentioned a Logo.
I was referring to the avalanche of asinine anti Bernie stuff I see posted here.
So for that reason it may have deserved a hide.
But for what people who judged it assumed it meant, it didn't.
Maybe I suck as a communicator.

[NurseJackie]

30. Wait ... let me check. --- Nope, it clearly said "candidate" ...

... so it's a bit disingenuous to try and claim it wasn't about Secretary Clinton.

[Sky Masterson]

45. Like I said.

I suck as a communicator.And I know what I meant. But keep on. I'm apparently your enemy.

[NurseJackie]

51. Actually ...

... it may shock you, but I have absolutely no feelings about you personally one way or the other. You're just an anonymous user on a discussion website. Words on a screen ... nothing more, nothing less.

[Sky Masterson]

56. Good.

You are the same.
I'm not shocked.

[NurseJackie]

66. Yet, in your previous post, you clearly indicate how you presume me to view you as an "enemy".

I'm apparently your enemy.

If you're now "not shocked" for me to explain that I actually do not view you as an "enemy", then why would you even bother to say it in the first place?

Why say something that you didn't believe to be true?

I suck as a communicator. And I know what I meant.

Or, is this ANOTHER example of not being a good communicator?

And I know what I meant.

Well, it's a good thing that someone does, because I certainly have a difficult time in making heads-or-tails of what you actually mean.

[Sky Masterson]

68. Wow.

You do hate me.

[NurseJackie]

72. Only someone who was "demoralized" would say something like that.

68. Wow.
You do hate me.

I don't hate you. I don't even know you. You're just words on a screen. From my perspective, you're an anonymous user on a political discussion website. It would be a waste of time to invest such intense emotions on a thing that means nothing to me one way or the other.

Clearly our interaction is a very personal thing to you, otherwise you'd not be injecting such emotional responses into it, nor would you be trying to presume that I have an emotional response to your words. It is possible to disagree with someone without being emotionally invested the disagreement or in the outcome of the argument (or bickering). --- Well, that's the case for me anyway. I'm not in a position to speak for you.

Have anise day.

[Sky Masterson]

73. Well I am not demoralized

And I don't hate anyone here.
Some annoy me.
But they are just dots on a screen.
Peas and Carrots to you.

[NurseJackie]

76. If you're not demoralized, then why do you assume that I hate you?

Why did you use the word "hate"? Why assume the worst and strongest emotion and why attribute it to me?

That certainly sounds like something a demoralized person would do.

Or maybe you just chose the wrong word because, well, you know... that thing you were talking about earlier.

[Sky Masterson]

78. You are one of those "Get the Last word in" sort of types arent you.

You are in fact accusing me of taking things personally as you take things personally.
So go ahead. I'll give you the last word.
Beat me down good. make it sting.
Your prize for doing so will arrive in 3-6 weeks.

[NurseJackie]

107. It's not that I need the "last word"... it's that you keep saying contradictory or confusing things.

It compels me to seek an explanation so that I can better understand what you mean, or to find out IF you actually meant what you said. Or if you actually thought you said what you think you mean to say.

You are in fact accusing me of taking things personally as you take things personally.

Actually, it's not "in fact" ... I think a more accurate way to convey your emotion would be to offer it as your opinion, not as something "in fact". (I'm afraid I'll have to once again agree with your own assessment of your skills in being a communicator. There now, you see, something we can agree on!)

On the bright side, you haven't had any of these posts hidden. So that's good, right?

You are in fact accusing me of taking things personally as you take things personally.

Well, not really. Seeking clarification or pointing out inconsistencies in what you write isn't "personal" to me. I'm not offended and I don't take it personally. It's just confusing.

[antigop]

27. HAHA! I just donated to him! nt

[Peace Patriot]

32. Yes, yes & yes to this OP!

You are right about the tactic--deliberate efforts to demoralize the majority. And you are right about what we should do in response--fight on!



Peace

[NurseJackie]

38. "Majority" HA ... that's funny!

What majority? There is no majority.

[Sky Masterson]

46. Thank you

THIS was the desired response.

[NurseJackie]

57. Even if it's factually inaccurate.

Why let insignificant things like facts and actual word meanings get in the way of a good rant?

[Sky Masterson]

65. Or it isn't

Yes it is
no it aint
yes it is
no it aint.

[NurseJackie]

69. Bernie certainly doesn't have the majority of actual votes. Nor does he have ...

... the majority of the delegates
... nor does he have the majority of Senate endorsements (current and former)
... nor does he have the majority of US Representative endorsements (current and former)
... nor does he have the majority of Governor's endorsements (current and former)
... nor does he have the majority of Cabinet level endorsements (current and former)
... nor does he have the majority of State Representative endorsements (current and former)
... nor does he have the majority of Mayoral and Tribal endorsements (current and former)
... nor does he have the majority of Municipal endorsements (current and former)
... nor does he have the majority of International endorsements.
... nor does he have the majority of Business Leader endorsements.
... nor does he have the majority of Journalist & Author endorsements.
... nor does he have the majority of Scholars and Academia endorsements.
... nor does he have the majority of media endorsements.
... nor does he have the majority of labor union endorsements.
... nor does he have the majority of supporters.
... nor does he have the majority of celebrity endorsements (for whatever they may be worth).


Tell me, is there ANYTHING that he has the actual MAJORITY of? You know... using the traditional, literal, and universally accepted meaning and definition of the word "majority".

Anything at all. Perhaps there is, maybe I've overlooked something. And if I have overlooked it, I wonder if it's something that will actually help him to win the nomination.

[Sky Masterson]

70. Endorsements yes.

More party hacks are hacking for her.
Votes by democrats only , Probably.
Votes where its open to independents she loses.
Her buttocks were handed to her in Kansas
So, YES. Unless we include the actual voters in caucuses.

[NurseJackie]

75. Brace yourself for disappointment.

Votes by democrats only , Probably.

Those are the ones that count.

Votes where its open to independents she loses.

And open to all members of other rival political parties who have no demonstrable interest in OUR party's nomination process other than to choose the weakest candidate in order for their party (the GOP) will have an easier contest in the General Election.

Her buttocks were handed to her in Kansas

That's how primaries go. Win some, lose some. The idea is to win the MOST. Hillary's doing that ... quite well and convincingly so.

So, YES. Unless we include the actual voters in caucuses.

That's not how caucuses work. Sucks doesn't it? I guess more people will have to JOIN the Democratic party and become ACTIVE with the party at local and state levels to try and change it. (And, thus we see the benefit of being part of the "establishment" that the "independents" don't want anything to do with.)

[Sky Masterson]

77. You as well

Don't get caught monologuing.
Bond always escapes.

[NurseJackie]

79. It's just a discussion board. What we bicker about here will not change ...

... the course of the nomination process. It's just a fun passtime. Hillary will be the nominee, and Bernie will return to the Senate.

That's a fact and it won't disappoint me.

Bond always escapes.

Bernie is no Bond.

[Vinca]

35. I'm demoralized at the thought Hillary will be the nominee.

This morning I heard Nicolle Wallace wonder aloud why people aren't badgering Bernie to get out of the race in the same way they badgered Hillary in 2008. The answer is simple. People didn't care for Hillary in 2008 and they don't care for her now. Just because it appears we're going to be stuck with her doesn't make me suddenly like her.

[Squinch]

36. So are projection and delusion. They're things too.

[NurseJackie]

41. See post 32 above ...

... is that the kind of thing you're referring to?

[Squinch]

44. Holy guacamole! I keep wanting to buy them dictionaries so they can look up the meanings of words.

For example: "majority"

[Sky Masterson]

53. They are

The only question is who is being what at this point of the campaign.
You are telling me what Hillary was being told during 08.
She didn't win. We had a convention. Democracy survived

[G_j]

37. ---

[procon]

59. If you're reduced to pleading for sympathy votes

and depending on the vagaries of hope and starry eyed enthusam to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, this reads like another chapter of Bernie fan fiction.

Yes, continue posting more cheesy anti-Hillary rants lifted from anonymous bloggers instead up talking about Bernie's terrific policies, ideas and plans. Please do stay around until they finally turn out the lights and lock the doors, then stay home, binge on Cheetos and Coke, and express your rage by not voting, it's a great plan.

[Sky Masterson]

63. Well. I'm not.

I created a positive thread for people who support Bernie among the avalanche of threads trashing him.
You can call it what you want.

[djean111]

64. There really is not anything, anything AT ALL, that could possible make a politician who stands

for war and fracking and cluster bombs and the Third Way and Wall Street and the TPP, and lies, acceptable or palatable to me.

Remember when we could assume the politician I am talking about was nothing but another damned Republican?

[bjo59]

67. Yep, a tried and true psychological strategy.

It's shocking that this country got a last second chance to stop the "inevitable tide of history" with the very popular candidacy of Bernie Sanders. This was never supposed to happen at this late stage in the global corporate take over. Obama worked overtime to get those national sovereignty eviscerating TTP and TTIP through. Unfortunately, the next president is going to have to finish the job and Sanders is the only candidate who won't do it. He is a danger to global corporate totalitarianism and must be stopped without more Americans finally figuring out what the future actually holds for them. You can be sure that a last second chance like Bernie Sanders will not happen again. He was never supposed to get this far and in the next 4 (or 8) years, safeguards will be put in place to prevent such a thing from happening again. It's a tragedy that many more people do not understand what is at stake. Wonder what the reaction is going to be when the next major banking failure happens and the people find out first hand what a "bail in" is. That said, it's not over for Bernie, not in the least. Hence, the demoralization campaign will continue apace.

[FlatBaroque]

71. The ONLY way they can win is if we give up. They have nothing going for them

except the support of a decrepit and corrupt establishment, while they try to promote the most ethically challenged politician in America.

[The Second Stone]

81. Yes, demoralization is a thing and it works both ways

Last edited Sun Apr 24, 2016, 07:48 PM - Edit history (1)

The bros have been poisoning the well for months and after each loss they step up their behavior and bernie-math. They have been doing it for months and continue to do it long after it became apparent that he was only going to win a few states in the primaries and was generally going to get clobbered. Fortunately DU is a very tiny little place. When it became apparent to me that they were going to bern down the house on their way out, I decided to stop being so nice to their narcissistic loser. It has been over a month since the climb has been impractically steep, and even the candidate, who was not unhinged when he began his crusade, now harasses the super-delegates that he claimed he had no use for a few weeks before (and for years before that).

You guys want to take over the party? How about registering voters so that you can win off-year elections and primaries in 2020? I've been doing that for 30 years. How about going door to door and making friends instead of telling lies about Obama and Clinton and making enemies?

If you honestly expected a socialist of 60 years standing to waltz into room and become the hit of the Democratic party, then you know nothing of people. When you decided to shit the punch bowl by trashing everyone else in the party who didn't share your enthusiasm, including the candidate who has walked point for 25 years, what did you expect, behaving like assholes? You got your asses kicked. And will continue to do so as long as you are crashing the party.

We were all quite content to let you run a little vanity campaign. But when you started dishing it out and kept ramping it up, well then expect to get your asses kicked.

Campaigns in a democracy (I can't speak for socialist democracies) are won by a majority of votes, which take years, if not decades, of preparation and planning and making alliances. Sanders late last year decided on a lark to run his vanity campaign. Some of his supporters turned it into pooping the punch bowl, and he went along. He certainly has the technical right to turn his vanity campaign into punch bowl pooping and even go third party. That doesn't make it a good thing to do. At some point he should recognize that he is a party outsider who is crashing the party and pooping the punch bowl. But he is too vain to do so.

[Sky Masterson]

82. I quit reading your comment after "bros"

So I really can't comment on it.
I'll leave that to others who chose to read past that.

[The Second Stone]

84. Hey bro, I appreciate that you stopped reading it

it wasn't intended for you. After the convention, I'm going to ignore all the bros, and Sanders himself.

[Sky Masterson]

85. Good

Also I am curious what a "bro" is.

[The Second Stone]

97. No you're not

you know exactly what a bernie bro is.

[Sky Masterson]

100. Let me guess.

[The Second Stone]

102. The character played by Marlon Brando

in Guys and Dolls is the perfect example of a bro. He makes a bet that he can have his way with a certain woman for the amusement of other men without caring about how it hurts others.

Sound familiar?

You really walked into that "bern".

[Sky Masterson]

104. Until he fell in love.

I know the story very well.
Sky was a Gambler, and a good one!
He never lost unless he wanted to.
He gave up all his honor as a gambler and threw a bet because he was a Bro who fell hard for a gal.
Tell me how having a heart and seeing what is right and what is wrong a bad thing?
If that is what you mean than Bro's and Gals it is.

[The Second Stone]

108. And you are still a bro

until you fall for the lady. That would be Hillary Clinton if you are following this. Sky is a bum, not a contender, until he turns his back on the bros and betrays their "principles". To finish the analogy here, tearing down the place for your bro friends because they cannot abide by the fact that they have lost and cannot win due to a vast majority of votes, makes them match throwing bums, interested in only their own satisfaction.

[Sky Masterson]

110. Hillary Clinton is no Sister Sarah.

Not that she isn't unlovable.
She just isn't loved by a majority by every poll I've seen.
This in itself is the problem.
A lot of people don't love her. They aren't going to love her.
You can't force love.
You can't say Love me or else if love isn't there.
Sky was facing huge odds.
He made a promise to save the woman he loved by betting everything he had to
fill the seats for her.
One roll of the dice and he would lose everything he was, had and the love of his life.
And you are in fact asking him to Sit down because he's rocking the boat.

You are trashing him for having honor and being true to his heart.

[The Second Stone]

111. The polls you look at are cherry picked. The polls that matter are the

ones that people vote at. And Hillary Clinton is winning those and will continue to win those.

The bros can't seem to accept that their motives are like Nathan's and Sky's. Narcissistic.

Bernie Sanders is a loser who has lost and is so deep in denial that he cannot see that the result of continuing on his path is the gratification of his own ego. His gun loving, white flight, look down on the South and blacks and poor people ego. The only people he has benefited in the last two months on the course he is on are his paid consultants and his own ego.

I will never vote for Bernie Sanders.

[Sky Masterson]

112. Well then why worry

She has it.
Have a beer, kick a puppy,go to Disneyland, knit a sweater.
I'm going to keep supporting the Candidate I love until he drops out.
Sue me.

[The Second Stone]

117. I have no problem with that, it's your demoralizing others

that is so offensive. I have no problem with the "Bernie is the bees knees" crowd. I have a huge problem with the bros who accuse Hillary of being a monster.

[Sky Masterson]

121. Still don't know what a bro is.

Some of what is being thrown at her is wrong. But not all of it.
She is not immune to questioning. Vetting.

[The Second Stone]

129. I respectfully disagree that you don't know what a bro is

Your username is one of the biggest dick bros in the arts. And who the heck are you to claim a right to "vette" Hillary Clinton? And do it by casting libels. You have no moral standing to tell your damn lies. You are just a bro claiming the rights of bros. You speak for entitled misogynists who think that any dandruffy and cranky old socialist (who is not by any stretch democratic or a democrat, big D or small d) who fled New York to avoid black people and cozied up to the gun nuts and now claim a moral superiority? I don't think so.

You demonstrate all the morals of your username, who is basically a man who lies to get an a strange woman's bed for a bet. It really is the perfect username. Your namesake is not redeemed because he is in love. He isn't redeemed. He's scum. That you think his story is admirable says a lot about your values. He's a bro who seduced a woman on a bet for the sake of impressing a bro.

You have no right to "vette" our candidate, any more than Fox News does. If you find it demoralizing that you are called on your punch bowl shitting, then you are beginning to feel the scorn that we feel towards the bros. Who are accomplishing nothing more than shitting the punch bowl.

You socialists have crashed the Democratic Party. You are no longer, in my view, welcome here.

[treestar]

118. Excellent post

[senz]

101. It is the modus operandi of EVIL. It is how evil operates in the world.

It tries to shut down facts and push falsehoods.

It attempts to unnerve and intimidate.

It censors and punishes anyone who gets out of line.

It is the mindset of the individual whose power grab we are resisting.

We need to flow around it like water and keep getting the truth out there.

I thank every Bernie supporter who creates OPs.

I admire those who keep trying and do not give up.

Remember: it's only a few more months.

Thank you, Sky.

[Sky Masterson]

103. You write pretty words.

Thank you.

[senz]

105. I try to write truth.

Truth is under attack.

We all need each other now more than ever.

[Mudcat]

106. Welcome... to the Machine

[FlatBaroque]

109. Feeling demoralized? Remember this...

:large

[felix_numinous]

113. Yes they want another 2000

but Bernie Sanders is no Gore, and the people have learned a lot in 16 years.

[Rex]

119. When it is all over, if a person cannot support the candidate that won

then they did not really care about being part of the democratic party. It was all about their pony.

[silvershadow]

126. The most demoralizing thing a candidate can do is be the wrong one. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

128. They are convinced they don't need us.

After the laying bare the legitimacy of our elections, I think they might be right.

[MineralMan]

131. A verb is not a thing.

[Sky Masterson]

132. I appreciate your concern for my improper use of a Verb

Though incorrect, the sentiment and meaning is there.
Even if people don't agree with it.
I've learned a lot from this thread.
I've learned that it is impossible to create a nice thread promoting the candidate I prefer without trashing the other and expect someone to not jump in and drop a turd in it.
People here are angry just to be angry, I figured that out.
Maybe I should have started this thread with "Lewensky" or "Neocon" or something to merit the reaction that a simple thread meant to show my support for Bernie Sanders caused.
Now I tried in this thread to be nice,listen,concede a point when it should be conceded and I still get flack.
One Duer came at me for being some mythical "Bro" stereotype that they somehow created in their noggen.
This place is to constructive conversation what Fox News is to real News.
And is the last place I would tell a person interested in politics to come to.