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Reuters national tracking poll: Hillary's lead increasing.. now leads 58-40. (Original Post) DCBob Apr 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #1
No consistent with the other data Baobab Apr 2016 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author rjsquirrel Apr 2016 #31
Now, rjsquirrel, you know that those numbers are not real. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #82
I would have trouble trusting anything from a poster that is relatively new LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #92
Of course. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #81
This is what happens when the DNC crams a shitty candidate down our throats. B Calm Apr 2016 #2
The so called "shitty candidate" is going beat the crap out of the GOP nominee in November... DCBob Apr 2016 #9
Which one is the GOP nominee again? Baobab Apr 2016 #29
Then you are one confused dude. DCBob Apr 2016 #30
One of the candidates never met a war or trade deal she didnt like Baobab Apr 2016 #86
Ah, so you've finally found a disturbing fact about Bernie. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #85
The one that supports a woman's right to choose. trumad Apr 2016 #88
Bill Clinton is popular in the developing world in no small part because of promises made Baobab Apr 2016 #90
No, it's what happens when people vote for the better candidate. Sancho Apr 2016 #23
Still have not made yourself clear. Sorry. Baobab Apr 2016 #32
On I think I was clear... Sancho Apr 2016 #38
how, exactly? Baobab Apr 2016 #45
Oh boy... Sancho Apr 2016 #49
It seems to me like being a Demcrat during that time likely would have "insured" his ineffectiveness Baobab Apr 2016 #55
Yes, that 2.69 million more votes was alllll DNC. Eom. Amimnoch Apr 2016 #34
What does that say about the guy she is beating like a drum? redstateblues Apr 2016 #76
Not surprising...The campaign of self-fulfilling prophecy is working Armstead Apr 2016 #3
Why cant you people see that Bernie is simply not the best candidate for our party. DCBob Apr 2016 #5
What is the "base" and how does that compare to the nation's "base"? Armstead Apr 2016 #41
You make some good points. DCBob Apr 2016 #48
I hope these things will be discussed after the election...in the meantime Armstead Apr 2016 #56
Sorry, I wont vote for a war monger, or an NPD. (narcissistic personality disordered person) Baobab Apr 2016 #68
Are you a sock puppet? Because that is the exact opposite of the truth! Baobab Apr 2016 #46
Thanks for the insult. DCBob Apr 2016 #50
They are essentially tied. Baobab Apr 2016 #54
How are they tied? Clinton has big leads in votes, pledged delegates and super delegates. brush Apr 2016 #63
Apparently there are no community standards anymore... Agschmid Apr 2016 #70
"most popular" does not always equate with "best" thesquanderer Apr 2016 #65
Or conversely ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #11
From about 3 percent to a close second in six months... Armstead Apr 2016 #19
"Close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #40
Agreed, ignoring the early southern primaries, and then that Vatican trip — oh boy! brush Apr 2016 #59
You're arguing the divine right of kings or "mandate of heaven" argument. Baobab Apr 2016 #35
That's what it too often feels like Armstead Apr 2016 #44
this is what happens when independents aren't allowed to vote. grasswire Apr 2016 #4
Millions of independents have voted. DCBob Apr 2016 #6
how many were not allowed to vote in NY? Hmm? nt grasswire Apr 2016 #7
There are a few states that are closed.. most are open. DCBob Apr 2016 #10
Look at this image Baobab Apr 2016 #53
Have you seen the latest polls? kstewart33 Apr 2016 #87
And how many couldn't caucus in Idaho? all american girl Apr 2016 #25
They act like every primary has been closed all american girl Apr 2016 #8
Yeah.. I think caucuses are a much bigger issue than closed primaries. DCBob Apr 2016 #12
Yep, they sure do, but being a single mom with some kids...not going all american girl Apr 2016 #20
The Independents will go for Hillary in the GE. n/t livetohike Apr 2016 #14
Is that a joke? Because its just nonsensical. Why would they be independents if they Baobab Apr 2016 #43
Sanders won't be in the GE! Who will they vote for? Trump? livetohike Apr 2016 #47
Are independents idiots?? Sancho Apr 2016 #36
Lots of Independents used to be Democrats or Republicans and de-registered from those parties Baobab Apr 2016 #57
I think you're missing the point of being an Independent. Mother Of Four Apr 2016 #60
If you want to vote in a primary, you often have to register with a party.... Sancho Apr 2016 #72
Once again - Mother Of Four Apr 2016 #75
No, I think Sancho is on point. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #89
Is there ever going to be a point griffi94 Apr 2016 #39
When you believe... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #77
Bernie doesn't come close to Hillarys support griffi94 Apr 2016 #78
Tuesday and after will be even bigger for us. nt onehandle Apr 2016 #13
No doubt.. Tuesday is going to be... DCBob Apr 2016 #15
I would be a hypocrite if I didn't remark there is no national primary. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #16
That's absolutely correct. DCBob Apr 2016 #52
To repeat... Armstead Apr 2016 #58
Thank goodness. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #17
Please enjoy your vacation. Vacations are rare for us plebeians. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #21
I intend to. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #27
I like vacations . My friend compares them to cocaine highs. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #33
That's definitely the down sdie. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #51
When you're a kid you usually want to move to the last place you visited. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #62
Every place was better than where you were from.... TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #64
I have lived in L A for the past four years. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #67
Something about "the grass is always greener" that drives us. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #69
I don't know where you are but SoCal weather is all that is advertised. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #71
New England TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #73
Wherever you are please enjoy the rest of your weekend. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #74
Indeed, thank you, and you too and TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #91
Tuesday will be so sweet! Let's put this away. livetohike Apr 2016 #18
Tuesday is going to be big. DCBob Apr 2016 #24
Two things. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #22
The enthusiasm is already waning. DCBob Apr 2016 #28
Not sure about the donations. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #37
True.. but at some point that tactic will also fail. DCBob Apr 2016 #42
Those of us who keep giving him money are not stupid Armstead Apr 2016 #61
I've been hoping for/expecting/waiting for this! nt LAS14 Apr 2016 #66
But, see....wait...never mind. MineralMan Apr 2016 #79
MMan, you sound as though you're losing patience with all the Hillary hate. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #80
Indeed. My patience ended quite some time ago. MineralMan Apr 2016 #84
Interesting. DCBob Apr 2016 #83

Response to DCBob (Original post)

Response to Baobab (Reply #26)

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
82. Now, rjsquirrel, you know that those numbers are not real.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

Delegates, schmelegates! Those numbers are corrupted!

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
9. The so called "shitty candidate" is going beat the crap out of the GOP nominee in November...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:10 AM
Apr 2016

and then will outsmart the Republicans as the President.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
86. One of the candidates never met a war or trade deal she didnt like
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:23 AM
Apr 2016

Her husband put a regime in place which is forcing the world including less developed countries, to privatize schools and health care and basically almost everything that is shared, to steal it, - its forcing the world to accept privatization if they want to do business with us.


Now who is the progressive?

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
88. The one that supports a woman's right to choose.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:30 AM
Apr 2016

The one with the most support from African Americans.

Got to be kind of stupid not to figure that out.

Not to say you're stupid or anything.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
90. Bill Clinton is popular in the developing world in no small part because of promises made
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:39 AM
Apr 2016

to give them jobs (at the expense of Americans and other high skill workers in other developed countries ) which have not been fulfilled yet.

If you are honestly interested in the future of our country, you SHOULD want to know about that.

Do you?

Its going to hit the African American community particularly hard because it targets the public sector.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
23. No, it's what happens when people vote for the better candidate.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:18 AM
Apr 2016

If there is a "shitty" candidate - it's the non-Democrat who doesn't help other Democrats and who spends 30 years getting nothing done.

If you don't like the DNC leadership - then get out there and join the DNC and quit complaining. The vast majority of bashing and trashing on GDP comes from people who are not involved and have never been involved with the DNC. Become a delegate, raise money, recruit candidates, put in the time! It's easy to rant; not so easy to do the work.

The same goes for unions (and their leaders), registering voters, and working for progressive values.

YOU are the problem because you are not doing the work - just like the ant and the grasshopper!! Bernie is a perfect role model of someone who wants to ride the coattails of others; but sit around for decades without putting in his share.

Frankly, if the first woman President is elected, DWS and the DNC will go down in history as a real revolution and extremely successful. Bernie will be a footnote.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
32. Still have not made yourself clear. Sorry.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:23 AM
Apr 2016

>If there is a "shitty" candidate - it's the non-Democrat who doesn't help other Democrats and who spends 30 years getting nothing done.

Hillary?

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
38. On I think I was clear...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:29 AM
Apr 2016

the self-described socialist is not worthy to be President. He's a snake-oil salesman.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
45. how, exactly?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:41 AM
Apr 2016

He started the Progressive Caucus you know.

He's putting forward time proven ideas that are known to work that most importantly, aren't medical experimentation on humans that kill 100,000 people a year by denying them medical care.

Read up on Helsinki and Nuremberg.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
49. Oh boy...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:45 AM
Apr 2016

aliens and Lock Ness monsters?

Bernie could have run as a Democrat for many years in Congress. He chose not to do so. He hasn't put in his time, so he can't expect to have the universal support of people who did the work.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
55. It seems to me like being a Demcrat during that time likely would have "insured" his ineffectiveness
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:55 AM
Apr 2016

rather than the other way around.

Of course, that's not a bug, its a feature.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
3. Not surprising...The campaign of self-fulfilling prophecy is working
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:03 AM
Apr 2016

I'm sure now that the Clinton campaign has successfully used the shallow Politics of Celebrity and the "She's inevitable" and "Bernie's so mean" meme, a lot of people who honestly relate more to Sanders and his message are swinging to her as the path of least resistance...The default inevitable candidate.

Another opportunity for meaningful change squashed by the machinations of slick marketers.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
5. Why cant you people see that Bernie is simply not the best candidate for our party.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:06 AM
Apr 2016

He doesn't connect with large segments of our base. That's just a fact.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
41. What is the "base" and how does that compare to the nation's "base"?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:32 AM
Apr 2016

I think the ideal candidate would be a Barack Obama who is less tied to corporate power and more reflective of Bernie's values and goals and basic message.

Bernie has done a great job of connecting with many elements of the "base"...of you look at people as individuals rather than just as demographic marketing points...That includes many AAs and Latinos, who are strong supporters of Bernie once they become familiar with him.

There is a lot of fodder for in depth discussions regarding the dynamics of this primary in both pragmatic and "spiritual" (non-religious) terms.

But , in short, I find it very depressing that instead of embracing an opportunity for a positive renewal, the Democratic Party is choosing to stifle real reform and further embedding a status quo approach and candidate that are beyond their sell-by dates.

And I'm not a millennial -- I'm an older guy who has been seeing the same pattern for decades. And seen the damaging results both on America and the viability of the Democratic party (IMO, of course).

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/city-hall/2016/04/8596894/after-public-anguish-bronx-councilman-endorses-sanders-eve-primary

With just a day to go before New York's presidential primary, Councilman Ritchie Torres of the Bronx is throwing his support behind Bernie Sanders, citing the Vermont senator's progressive agenda.

“Bernie represents a special phenomenon in progressive politics. He singularly has made inequality and poverty the focal point of the presidential election — that is his contribution to progressive politics and he’s energizing young people to an extent never seen before,” Torres said, in an interview with POLITICO New York.

Torres, who grew up in public housing in the Bronx, sent a letter to all the presidential candidates last week asking them to tour New York City Public Housing Authority buildings to see a glimpse of what decades of federal divestment has done to the city’s public housing stock.

Torres, a self-described millennial and the youngest member of the City Council, had been torn on his decision for months. In an interview just last week, he described his conundrum, saying, “My heart is with Bernie but my head is with Hillary.”

In the end, it was Sanders’ agenda and commitment to closing the federal funding gap in public housing that won out....

“He’s tapping into something powerful and energizing young people in a way that has not been seen. Whether you are supporting him or opposing him there is no denying the impact that he’s had on progressive politics,” Torres said. “He’s changed the way we talk about politics and made poverty and inequality the centerpiece of the presidential election.”


Torres admits there is a hint of idealism to his endorsement and to Sanders’ campaign, but he does not see it as a sign that a Sanders’ presidency would be hindered by an inability to work across party lines.

“I’ve had the opportunity to interact personally with Bernie and I get the sense he is incredibly communicative and open-minded and he would listen to people. There is an opportunity for elected officials and grass roots activists to shape what he thinks,” Torres said.

The Bronx councilman also heaped praise on Clinton, citing her decades of experience and her record.....

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
48. You make some good points.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:45 AM
Apr 2016

No doubt there appears to be an opportunity to embrace real reform but I think the focus for most Democrats this election has been winning in November and most see Hillary as our strongest candidate. Many are freaked out by how the Republicans have taken over congress and are attempting to force their agenda on the country. Most Democrats think Bernie is a good man with good ideas but he is seen as not being strong enough to take on the GOP.

We can still fight for reform and I do think Hillary will be more reform minded than many of you think. But beating the GOP has to be the main focus now.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
56. I hope these things will be discussed after the election...in the meantime
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:57 AM
Apr 2016

I'd say two things.

I think against the GOP with the Democratic Party supporting him, Bernie would be a lot more effective as a candidate than you think. He'd also be a lot more pragmatic and effective in the WH than you think.

If the GOP screws the pooch (as they seem to be doing) either Clinton or Bernie can win. If the GOP gets its act together, then both Bernie and Clinton are wild cards.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
68. Sorry, I wont vote for a war monger, or an NPD. (narcissistic personality disordered person)
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:15 AM
Apr 2016

I will never ever vote for somebody who I consider to likely have NPD.

Ive had people with NPD in my life before and every time its happened its been a major, life changing disaster for me.

That's what people get when they trust them. Screwed.

They are the worlds best liars. Watch "The Bad Seed" or "Gaslighting" Both are about characters who have the tragic NPD illness.

I have learned my lesson. No. Its non-negotiable. Look at Hillary Clinton carefully, she is classic NPD.


And the Democratic Party base are being Gaslighted.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
46. Are you a sock puppet? Because that is the exact opposite of the truth!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

Sorry, I had to point it out because its just wrong.

>He doesn't connect with large segments of our base. That's just a fact.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
54. They are essentially tied.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:53 AM
Apr 2016

Also, the Hillary/Obama contest in 2008 was similar. They went to the convention nd the world did not end.

So, give your politicking a break. You can let democracy work. It wont kill you.

brush

(53,784 posts)
63. How are they tied? Clinton has big leads in votes, pledged delegates and super delegates.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:08 AM
Apr 2016

Come on, reality in the Sanders camp has to set in at some point.

Even the stinging defeat in New York hasn't convinced the Sanders die-hards of the futility of his plight, but two days from now in PA and MD should do it.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
70. Apparently there are no community standards anymore...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:29 AM
Apr 2016

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thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
65. "most popular" does not always equate with "best"
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

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If someone feels that Sanders is more electable in November (by virtue of far lower unfavorables among the general electorate, or by virtue of not having a legal cloud hanging over his head, or by virtue of polling which shows him doing much better against the Republican candidates), then it is Clinton who arguably is simply not the best candidate for our party.

Also, if someone feels that Sanders better represents what they see as the ideals of the Democratic party, then Clinton is again arguably not the best candidate for our party.

The one who wins is not always the best.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
11. Or conversely ...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:12 AM
Apr 2016

... Bernie's chances were blown by an incompetent campaign staff, bad advice, poor execution and flawed planning. (It wouldn't be fair for our "slick marketers" to take all the credit.)

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
19. From about 3 percent to a close second in six months...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:17 AM
Apr 2016

All conventional wisdom when he announced was that Sanders would be a fringe candidate might get 5 to 10 percent if lucky.

Instead, he has gotten within close range to a candidate backed by Big Money and Big Power who has been puffed up as "inevitable" for years.

I'd say that, win or lose, "incompetency" is not an apt description.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
40. "Close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:31 AM
Apr 2016

It was a valiant effort, but he still comes up short. For such a flawed candidate, he had some "slick" moves himself, yet he still falls short. Whose fault is that? If he and his campaign are unable to find success against Hillary's "machinations" it's pretty obvious he wouldn't have what's needed to find success against a well funded GOP, and global political ones.

brush

(53,784 posts)
59. Agreed, ignoring the early southern primaries, and then that Vatican trip — oh boy!
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

No one on the Sanders side has mentioned that trip since the New York loss but they were touting it as a brilliant idea before reality interceded.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
35. You're arguing the divine right of kings or "mandate of heaven" argument.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:27 AM
Apr 2016

What you are expressing is the argumentative logic that is represented when monarchies and autocratic systems attempt to "justify" themselves.

This was pointed out just now by my sweetie who grew up under communism.

The logic behind the "Divine Right of Kings" as well as China's one party system in a nutshell.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
4. this is what happens when independents aren't allowed to vote.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:05 AM
Apr 2016

A good portion of Bernie's support comes from independent voters. Can't win a GE with just "likely Democratic voters." More and more Americans are rejecting party labels and going indie. Bernie attracts them. Hillary can't.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
53. Look at this image
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:51 AM
Apr 2016


She is too widely seen as dishonest to win.

And the worst things have not seen the light of day yet.

So she still has a lot more sinking to do.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
87. Have you seen the latest polls?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:27 AM
Apr 2016

538.com predictions for Tuesday: Clinton's chance of winning Maryland: 99%. Pennsylvania - 97%. Connecticut - 92%. (No poll data for Delaware or Rhode Island.)

Doesn't look like Hillary's in trouble.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
25. And how many couldn't caucus in Idaho?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:20 AM
Apr 2016

Unfortunately, our system doesn't always make it easy for everyone. I don't get paid the big bucks, so I don't know how, but I wish there was a way to make it easier.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
8. They act like every primary has been closed
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:10 AM
Apr 2016

You know which contest have, Caucasus....shhhh, don't tell them it blows their meme

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
12. Yeah.. I think caucuses are a much bigger issue than closed primaries.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:14 AM
Apr 2016

But each state has the right to set up their elections the way the want. Each candidate simply has to deal with it.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
20. Yep, they sure do, but being a single mom with some kids...not going
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:17 AM
Apr 2016

I've heard very few Bernie people here be concerned about that. Yes the poor don't vote as often as other groups, so let's see if they want to do something about it, or do the as always, whine. OK I'm being harsh...sorry about that.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
43. Is that a joke? Because its just nonsensical. Why would they be independents if they
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:37 AM
Apr 2016

supported Hillary?

No, I think they likely don't want any part of illary but instead will come out in huge numbers and vote for Bernie Sanders.

livetohike

(22,145 posts)
47. Sanders won't be in the GE! Who will they vote for? Trump?
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:43 AM
Apr 2016

If they vote for Trump, I don't trust their judgement in giving their vote to Sanders in the Primaries.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
36. Are independents idiots??
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016

They don't know how to register? I registered when 18 years got the vote!! I figured it out when I was barely an adult because I was motivated and labelled A1 in the draft!

Since then, I've seen states required birth certificates, proof of residency, and picture IDs.

That's the game. If you want to change the game then register and vote for someone else. Calling yourself "independent" is a copout!! It's a politically correct excuse to avoid thinking about issues and getting involved. Hell, I'd respect someone who registered as Green Party or whatever if they actually were active.

Sitting on your butt until someone hits you on FB and tells you who to vote for in a 3 minute video is not "independent". It's lazy. BTW - young people don't vote!

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
57. Lots of Independents used to be Democrats or Republicans and de-registered from those parties
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:59 AM
Apr 2016

They I think are likely to be people who won't ever ever vote for a war hawk who never met a war she didn't like.

Or a trade deal she didn't like.

Neither will I. I am a pacifist and I wont vote for her on conscientious objector grounds.

Mother Of Four

(1,716 posts)
60. I think you're missing the point of being an Independent.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

Independents don't associate with a party most times because there isn't a party that represents them.

So what your saying- is to have the illusion of being treated "fairly", they have to join a system that doesn't represent them, doesn't respect them as voters, and are filled with people like you who only want to insult and stereotype them.

Basicly "Tow a party line, or GTFO"

Kinda missing the point of being independent.

Sancho

(9,070 posts)
72. If you want to vote in a primary, you often have to register with a party....
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:35 AM
Apr 2016

I've registered outside of the Democratic party just to vote for a particular candidate - especially if there was no Democrat running. Then I registered as a Democrat to vote in the majority of elections.

If you don't agree with the Democratic party, you are free to be in the Green Party, Socialist Party, Tea Party, or any other party.

As an educator for 40 years at this point - I see lots of young people who claim to be "independent" because they don't know what they want to support; or else they can't see past a single issue or don't want to commit their time and energy to support a cause.

The is no "party line" except the you YOU create if you work to be part of the party. If you are not part of the party, then you are criticizing what others have WORKED for because they believe strongly enough to get in there and get it done. The DNC is made up of people who care about causes.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
89. No, I think Sancho is on point.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:30 AM
Apr 2016

These closed primaries are Democratic Party primaries. If you want to vote, simply register as a Democrat.

If you hate the party so much, then void your registration later.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
39. Is there ever going to be a point
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:30 AM
Apr 2016

where Bernies supporters just say he didn't win because he didn't connect with enough voters.
That the reason he's losing is because not enough voters are buying his message.

So far I haven't seen any Bernie voters suggest that he tweak his message, of narrow his
focus to a couple of bedrock issues that more voters might embrace.

His latest statements on poor people not voting was tone deaf at best.
Instead of cringing at the way it sounded Bernie supporters doubled down on it.

I haven't see one his supporters or even Bernie himself take any responsibility
at all for the position he's in.

It's always the fault of something or somebody else.

The south is too conservative, poor people don't vote, Bernies indies didn't realize the NY primary was closed,
there's a media blackout and people don't know him, the media ambushed him in his NYDN interview.
There are so many conspiracy theories floating around to absolve Bernie from any responsibility for his losses
that it sometimes feels like I've wandered into an Alex Jones forum.

I really don't think that among political junkies like the ones at DU it makes any difference but
to regular people that starts to come off as arrogance.

 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
77. When you believe...
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

as Bernie does, that the Republicans would only get 5% of the vote if people only knew what they stood for, delusion is baked in.

The facts are that Bernie has support, but not nearly as much as Hillary does.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
78. Bernie doesn't come close to Hillarys support
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

I also think the Bernie supporters overestimate their numbers and power.

In November a vast majority of Bernie supporters
will have gotten over their disappointment and vote for Hillary.

The Bernie or Bust people won't but they're negligible.
A very small, very angy, very loud sub-group.
We haven't lost them since we never had them and were never going to get them
unless we nominated their candidate.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
16. I would be a hypocrite if I didn't remark there is no national primary.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:16 AM
Apr 2016

That being said it is interesting how fluid voting opinion is and how it reacts to wins and losses. If you look at aggregate polling from 08 Clinton got close to Obama around this time in that cycle and never gets close again.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
52. That's absolutely correct.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:48 AM
Apr 2016

This was more a reality check for those who think Bernie is catching up nationally.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
17. Thank goodness.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:16 AM
Apr 2016

Her route to the WH will be a cakewalk. She won't need any Sanders supporters after the August convention.

I think I'll go take a vacation from politics. Good luck to ya.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
27. I intend to.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:21 AM
Apr 2016

The dough I save from Bernie being out of the picture will help fund it somewhat.

Anyway, you will have gotten your wish. Be happy for that.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
33. I like vacations . My friend compares them to cocaine highs.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:23 AM
Apr 2016

You get a temporary rush until the vacation is over and then you are back to reality.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
67. I have lived in L A for the past four years.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:14 AM
Apr 2016

When I was a kid growing up in NYC and FL the thought of living in L A was like a dream. I often tell myself it would have been a lot better if I came here when i was younger.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
71. I don't know where you are but SoCal weather is all that is advertised.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:31 AM
Apr 2016

No wonder they have a drought. It hardly ever rains. I am sure global warming exacerbates it. I miss grass...So much grass is replaced by foliage that requires less water.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
73. New England
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:36 AM
Apr 2016

Lots of foliage and tall, leafy stuff. Quite the opposite, but like everything else, there are upsides and downsides, too.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
22. Two things.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:17 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders has been having a tough time with messaging and control. Second, the nomination itself is over tho the campaigning is not. I think there will be less enthusiasm at the polls for him moving forward. NY was a blowout.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
28. The enthusiasm is already waning.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:21 AM
Apr 2016

I suspect donations will begin to dry up and campaign volunteers will be less.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
37. Not sure about the donations.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016

Weaver is brilliant at using crisis to seperate people from their money. The greatest crisis they face is now. Knowing it's over but forging forward in some manner that has meaning. Weavers fundraising emails we will see over the next two weeks would be embarrassing for most of us to be associated with. Each will contain the words fraud, theft, party elites, and the word establishment no fewer than three times. I believe their haul will be shocking. I do then see it going down. Most of us have caught on to Weavers cry wolf game.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
61. Those of us who keep giving him money are not stupid
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:03 AM
Apr 2016

We know exactly why we donate. We're not responding to Weaver's e-mails.

(In fact I usually trash them.)

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
79. But, see....wait...never mind.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 10:15 AM
Apr 2016

That rate matches the current popular vote percentages so far, pretty closely. That's telling, I think:

Clinton, Hillary Diane Rodham 10,517,756 56.39%
Sanders, Bernard "Bernie" 7,845,034 42.06%

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
80. MMan, you sound as though you're losing patience with all the Hillary hate.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

It comes in all forms but consistent in its degree - pure, absolute hatred.

If the poll favors Hillary, it's wrong or diseased by corporate corruption.

Any article or TV segment that does not fully support and adore Sanders, is corrupt.

Dislike the message, attack the messenger.

If all else fails, point to the business that owns the network, newspaper or whatever, and that business is controlling the content and contaminating it with its evil corporate objectives.

All incorporated organizations are corrupt. Unless they support Sanders.

All black and white thinking, he's the Saint she's the Satan, and anyone who thinks otherwise, is a Shillary.



MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
84. Indeed. My patience ended quite some time ago.
Sun Apr 24, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

We need a Democrat in the White House to prevent the Republicans from gaining control of all three branches of federal government. It is that simple for me. I believe Hillary Clinton is the most likely candidate to win, so I support her.

There are no saints in politics. None.

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