Shh don't Tell Hillary supporters but she is "possibly" the best republican in this election

[gabeana]

this what one of the Koch brothers think, they seem to think she might not really believe her own rhetoric

"Asked if he could support Clinton over the Republicans, Koch responded, “We would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric. Let me put it that way.”

Then when asked if Hillary Clinton would be a better president than the Republicans currently running, he said, “It’s possible, it’s possible.”

who needs enemies with friends like this

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/gop-backing-koch-brother-hillary-clinton-might-make-a-better-president-than-any-of-the-republicans/comments/#disqus

[Thinkingabout]

1. Since she is the only Democrat running then she is the best Democrat running. Hillary

Is the most qualified candidate running for president.

[CoffeeCat]

4. most qualified to keep us in terminal war

and enrich her power-hungry corrupt donors.

She's the best all right.

[840high]

34. .+1

[Thinkingabout]

59. If the decision is based on voting for military action, Sanders has voted mire than

One time for military action, making him qualified for keeping us in eternal war.

[Lizzie Poppet]

11. She's not remotely qualified (excepting in the legal sense).

A long resume jeans jack when you were bad at your job(s).

[floppyboo]

15. Do you really, in your heart of hearts, believe Hillary is a Democrat?

She has usurped the party. It's getting way too obvious to deny this now.

[Thinkingabout]

23. Are you a Democrat? I know Sanders did not become a Democrat until the past year, Hillary has been

Democrat since she started voting. Do I believe she is a Democrat, yes. I know what it is to be a Democrat.

[floppyboo]

27. Well, this has become a fundemental problem - who defines democrat and Democrat and does not being

a democrat make you a true Democrat? and what is going to happen after this election? It certainly isn't clear to me.

[Thinkingabout]

56. This is exactly the point, and here we have a post declaring Hillary is not a Democrat.

[floppyboo]

86. So, that's your conclusion? Interesting...

[Thinkingabout]

87. Thank you, Hillary is a Democrat, has been a Democrat in her voting life.

[CorporatistNation]

88. Cuck Koch Practically Choked This Morning Trying NOT To Be Effusive FOR Hillary!

[FarPoint]

62. It's not a problem at all.

Sanders remains an Independent who has yet to participate as a Democrat.

[PyaarRevolution]

54. Because people like US weren't welcome!!!!

With all the damn bankers in it(IMF=loan sharks) and Big Ag. scum like Monsanto, Conagra and others. I say burn Free Trade to the ground and replace it with Fair Trade. "A necessitous man is not a free man" FDR. That especially applies to food, what with us flooding foreign markets with cheap food to devastate local farmers/markets.
The fact that Bernie got to being where he is now was because he wouldn't have been allowed to have his stances in the Dems. b/c of 3rd Way.

[Joob]

36. Since you completely wrote off Bernie let me set the record straight.

Last edited Sun Apr 24, 2016, 08:46 AM - Edit history (1)

Hillary is a Warhawk. She will send People to die.
She will get people killed, as she has done in the past.
She "gets donations" by corporations. I don't care how clean and "Legal" it looks.
She has "millions of dollars put into her through corporations by donations" and millions and millions of YOUTH, the future of this country. Know that.
And we will not sit down and let our country be destroyed by ignorant people who ignore
everything Hillary has done wrong, just because she is Hillary.

[Thinkingabout]

58. Bought off? Again this week is the accusation Hillary is bought off, on

What issue has she been bought off?

[Joob]

66. sorry let me edit it

[Bohemianwriter]

37. There are TWO democrats running..

One whose affiliations are close to GOPs neoconservtism and the 3rd way neoliberalism whom have no gotten praises from the ones who more or less own a party, and one whose idelogy resembles FDR, JFK, MLK....

Guess who's who?

[Thinkingabout]

60. Humm, voting with the GOP, Sanders has voted on gun issues with the GOP.

[Bohemianwriter]

68. Sorry...

Why do you insist on pushing that BS line knowing that Hillary has taken money from an NA lobbyist to pander to Sandy Hook for then to run a pro-gun campaing in Penssylvania.

How about her foreign policies?

Not counting?

Taking money from the Saudis, not counting?

Her attacks on Obama for being anti-gun in 2008?

What did he say again to make Hillary say thatr Obama hates gun owners and the 2nd Amendment?

Please!

You're strawmen regarding Bernie voting FOR spreading guns is BS.

[Thinkingabout]

69. The one who was influenced by the NRA voted five times against

The Brady Bill. Now which NRA backed bills did Hillary vote the way NRA wanted?
All of the influence the NRA may think they are buying did not influence Hillary.

[Bohemianwriter]

71. Bernie has never taken money from the arms industry...

Hillary has.

Hillary is a far better candidate for gun nuts and militaristic regimes than Bernie ever will.

Unless you are in favor of repealing the 2nd Amendment altogether, all I hear is double talk.
Why don't you also focus on her ties to the Saudis, resulting in arms deals who kills women and children?

Why are you not focusing on the dog whistle policies that lead to mass incarceration and decimated the AA community in the 90s, signed by Bill Clinton?

He recently said that Hillary didn't think that poor, disenfranchised black kids with little or no future prospects (thanks to the Reagan policies that he extended) was not good citizens. Hillary and Bill actively pushed for a bill that Bernie was railing about, but begrudgingly voted for an omnibus bill that contained other things that Hillary supporters are not concerned about at all.

She calls them super predators and says "we can always talk about how they ended up that way, but now, we must bring them to heel". Obviously neither she or her husband bothered to look at the root causes of the AA "super predator without conscience and empathy". A disastrous drug war, and Reagan's "welfare queen" dog whistle policies in the 80s that Bill Clinton extended.

Apparently they think much better of white Wall Street drug money launderers, and fraudulent bankers than African Americans and small time pot dealers.

So what do you think of Hillary's support of the Saudi regime and her support of the military coup in Honduras?
What do you think of her "experience" in killing people in the ME, creating scenes like this?





http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2345692.1441246881!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/42-76375659.jpg

Where is Hillary's empathy for these people? Or yours for that matter?

Who are the REAL Super-predators who needs to be brought to heel?

Inner city black kids, or her rich, white donors on Wall Street and from a range of other industries of nefarious reputation?

[Thinkingabout]

72. When Sanders ran for Congress, the NRA donated $18,000 to help defeat his opponent.

After Sanders was elected he voted five times against the Brady Bill, again what vote did Hillary make to benefit the NRA. Hillary has a F rating from the NRA, Sanders has a D, he got the D rating by voting NRA desires on bills.

[Bohemianwriter]

75. Do you have any evidence for this statement?

Hillary has always been pro-gun.

Look back at this:

Not her only flip flop however.

What is really disgusting is how you and Hillary are practically blaming Bernie for all the mass shootings around.

[Thinkingabout]

83. There are so many sources:

but I don't need to give all of them:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-awkward-history-with-guns-in-america-119185

[stonecutter357]

78. +1000

[PyaarRevolution]

81. I have heard Bernie's reasoning for voting against the bill to hold legal gun sales liable.

There's nothing ridiculous about that and having a COMMON SENSE stance on gun rights won him most of New York Precincts outside of the city.
It's about time any of the rabid anti-gun folks realize that their arguments on banning guns are as nonsensical and unrealistic as the anti-abortion folks, see: banning guns won't make crime go away like how banning abortions won't make those go away. It's an absurd sort of reasoning and is a breakdown in logic in both Republicans and Democrats amazingly enough. Don't tell me the anti-gun folks aren't like that because that's incorrect for some of them.
Regarding Hillary, her whole stance on that issue was a fabrication to throw red meat at a base that tends to be very opposed to them in general and is the only place Hillary can stake on the left that Bernie won't touch. Bernie lives in a state where many people hunt, largely for food and taking away those people's gun who wish to hunt or even defend themselves is not pragmatic for policy.

The gun issue would strengthen him in the general and could see him winning Kansas and other thought to be dyed in the wool Republican states. I'll even go so far as I think he may thaw certain issues in those states(Oklahoma especially) with gun rights as the bridge or opening that makes it possible.
Hillary, on the other hand, will be based over the head on the gun liability issue time and time again by whichever Republican runs against her.

[PyaarRevolution]

53. In FP, getting complimented by one of the old guard...

Kissinger...well you might be qualified but your judgement is in severe doubt.

[stonecutter357]

76. He is a guest to the Democratic party and needs to act like it.

[Thinkingabout]

84. Also, his voting record stands, he has been given many opportunities to change his backing of

NRA over the years, he has failed enough to get a D rating.

[dlwickham]

2. "Hillary Clinton would be a better president than the Republicans currently running"

not quite sure where you pulled your thread title from

I have a few ideas

[Thinkingabout]

7. Facts are important and again the distortion is so easily debunked.

[floppyboo]

16. Why did she successfully and almost succesfully support governments in SA that destroyed unions?

That's a fact. Tell me how Democratic that is. Sheesh!

[Thinkingabout]

24. Sanders supported governments in SA also, all was for a different reason. BTW, she has the

endorsements of many unions. I am a union member also.

[PyaarRevolution]

55. If you believe.

That she won't endorse TPP when she becomes President short of us marching on Washington you're deluded.

We're going to have to march every month to hold her feet to the fire, esp. getting real Dems. in like Jamie Raskin and Tim Canova, among others. That'll make sure that any foul shit like chain CPI and other crap isn't tolerated.

[senz]

45. Came directly from the article.

Then when asked if Hillary Clinton would be a better president than the Republicans currently running, he said, “It’s possible, it’s possible.”

Reading is a good thing.

[dflprincess]

5. This must be why her fans tell us

she would have an easier time working with Congress than Bernie would.

[Thinkingabout]

10. Does he work with other members of congress?

[TM99]

12. Yes, he got all of those amendments passed

single handedly with no assistance from anyone.

He is amazing that way.

[dflprincess]

14. Apparently

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernie-gets-it-done-sanders-record-pushing-through-major-reforms-will-surprise-you

[div class = "excerpt"]
Bernie Gets It Done: Sanders' Record of Pushing Through Major Reforms Will Surprise You

“I'm a progressive, but I'm a progressive who likes to get things done,” Hillary Clinton said at the first Democratic debate, in response to a question from moderator Anderson Cooper about whether she defines herself as a moderate or a progressive.

The implication was that progressive Bernie Sanders is too far to the left to accomplish anything—all of his ideas are pie-in-the-sky. You have to be able to find the bipartisan, “warm, purple space” as Clinton said earlier this year, to get anything done. Slate's Jamelle Bouie was super-impressed by this rationale, saying Clinton has “skilled use of bureaucratic power.”

The problem with this narrative is that it is completely false. Not only has Sanders gotten a lot more things done than Clinton did in her own short legislative career, he's actually one of the most effective members of Congress, passing bills, both big and small, that have reshaped American policy on key issues like poverty, the environment and health care.


Much more at link.

[Thinkingabout]

22. Thirteen amendments in twenty five years. If thirteen amendments makes him an amendment king then

there is a lack of production in Congress. This would almost one every two years.

[Admiral Loinpresser]

51. Bookmarking for false meme that Bernie isn't effective and Hillary is. n/t

[senz]

46. He works beautifully on both sides of the aisle.

He's very easy to get along with.

[FlatBaroque]

6. This is nothing new or extraordinary

The Kocks helped the DLC get started. Why did these ultra-cons invested in the Clinton's?

[SFnomad]

8. Do you people always have to twist words and screw with context to make your points?

He certainly didn't say she is possibly the "best Republican" in this election. He said it is possible that she would be a better President that the Republicans currently running. Meaning that even a Koch brother realized how f'd up the Republican field is this time.

If you asked someone if BS would be a better President than the Republicans currently running ... and they said "It's possible, it's possible" ... would that mean that BS was possibly the best Republican running?

Damn your desperation is showing.

[gabeana]

13. keep on believing that if that's

what makes you feel better for supporting a republican light Clinton

entertaining watching you guys squirm trying to justify your support of Clinton who has republican leanings

[SFnomad]

18. I don't need to make up stories out of thin air to make me feel better n/t

[gabeana]

19. You did by saying words were twisted

she supported a neo con policy and energy, her support for fracking

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron

[SFnomad]

20. What she does or does not support is immaterial. You have twisted the Koch brother's words n/t

[gabeana]

21. Again a fail

it is what it is, you are supporting a RW wearing democratic clothes

[CoffeeCat]

17. There is no difference between the Clinton corporatism and the Koch corporatism

Clinton happily rakes in millions from powerful special intererests--in speaking fees and in the form of campaign contributions, which are nothing more than bribes.

The Kochs buy off politicians constantly. They fund their campaigns and those politicians in turn--do the Koch bidding. Our senator from Iowa, Joni Ernst is a Koch darling. She can't debunk global warming fast enough. Who do you think paid for her position and her votes? The Koch Brothers.

Who do you think paid for Hillary's fracking cheerleading all over the globe? Those oil lobbyists that she absolutely insists have nothing do to with anything! Who do you think pays for her to push back on reinstating Glass Steagall? The Goldman Sachs gang who signs her paychecks and donates to her campaign.

Please. The Kochs and the Clintons are playing the same game.

[senz]

47. Yes. She and they align perfectly with the 1%. They were made for each other.

Hillary Clinton is just the politician Charles and David Koch have been waiting for.

I'll bet Hillary is thrilled with this, too. Now she's really hit the big time. The Kochs are bigger than her buddies Trump and Kissinger. They're even bigger than her beloved Lloyd Blankfein.

She and Bill are probably high-fiving each other over this.

[oldandhappy]

9. Have been saying this for a long time!

[mythology]

25. I would be embarrassed to just make something up like you did

I mean really. The link doesn't at all say what you claim it did. The article says nothing about Charles Koch saying that she was a Republican. It says that the Koch brother didn't like how Bush raised government spending and in some respects Bill Clinton was a better president. If one is based on increases in government spending, then yes both Clinton and Obama held government spending increases down much lower than Bush II. Clinton had a government surplus and Obama has greatly reduced the deficit as compared to Bush II who grew it substantially.

But either way, the article very blatantly doesn't say what you claim.

[mr_liberal]

41. Its not even about that. The Kochs think Trump is a joke. nm

[NanceGreggs]

26. "Earth to Bernie supporters ...

... Earth to Bernie supporters: Bernie will NOT be the nominee. And posting anti-HRC crap over and over on a message board will NOT change that fact."

[gabeana]

39. Yeah and what a shame Dems are voting

for a republican lite democrat who is more in line with repukes than the dems, like DWS payday lenders legislaion
Hillary fracking , war postitons just name two there is a lot more

[NanceGreggs]

40. And yadda, yadda, yadda ... n/t

[senz]

48. Translation: don't DARE report any news about Hill unless it's hagiographic.

Note to alerters and juries:

Hagiographic is defined as

1 : of, relating to, or being hagiography; especially : excessively flattering <a hagiographic biography>

2 : of or relating to the Hagiographa

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hagiographic

[progressoid]

28. "We would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric"

That shouldn't be too hard to imagine.

[senz]

49. Isn't that rich?

[puffy socks]

29. Koch-backed group praises Bernie Sanders

"The group at the center of the Koch brothers' vast political network is praising Bernie Sanders for opposing the Export-Import Bank and for his attacks on corporate welfare."
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/koch-brothers-bernie-sanders-220498



The Koch Brothers are narcissistic and twisted. Do you really believe they are a credible source on anything?

Sanders and Clinton had nearly identical senate voting records.

Clinton beats Sanders in honesty, albeit by a tiny bit , but my point is they really aren't that different where ideology is concerned.

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fact-checkers-confirm-hillary-clinton-is-more-honest-than-any-of-her-2016-opponents/24196/

[HooptieWagon]

77. DailyNewsBin....

[anotherproletariat]

30. The advantage of not having true competition in the primary

is that she doesn't have to pivot to win the general. She has pretty much been running as if she was the nominee, so has been trying to appeal to both sides all along. While she has openly accepted some of Sander's talking points, his expensive ideas (free tuition and healthcare) are areas where she has offered other, less costly options, so she has not offended the right with talk of increased taxes.

[Binkie The Clown]

31. I've said it before and I'll say it again...

I truly believe that a lot of Republicans will vote for Hillary when it finally dawns on them that she's one of them, regardless of what label she wears.

[JohnnyRingo]

43. In the run up to November's election...

...I hope you find every Republican you know and explain to them how Hillary is really one of them. Tell them she's not the far left liberal that they've known for 25 years and that she's actually further right than the Republicans who are running.

You won't convince any of them to vote for her, but maybe you can get them laughing so hard they'll have a heart attack. I hope you know that Hillary Clinton is a conservative only in the wavy mirrored funhouse that is Bernieland.

[BlueStateLib]

32. Hillary's Senate vote rank ordering

http://voteview.com/rank_orders_all_congresses.htm

[joedogs]

33. Can not believe what i'm hearing

Well now I know were fu-ked after reading the story that the Koch brothers could find it in there hearts and wallets to support HRC. But what I find it strange that her supporters aren't saying Wait What the fuck just happen, she was endorsed by Who, next thing you know we will all be singing around the campfire and sharing marshmallows with Paul Ted and John, now all she needs is turd-blossom blessing and its a done deal

[rbrnmw]

50. they didn't endorse her jeez

[MFM008]

35. cant believe you cant see through this crap

OF course Old Chuck and Dave would want you to think that about her.
Who is stupid enough to believe it?
Anyone?
Really?
They would be the first ones to put money behind the total destruction of Sanders as a communist, socialist, whatever.
I cant believe anyone would actually believe them because they are FUNDING the effort to defeat the democrat, a BILLION dollars remember????

[DeltaLitProf]

38. Really?

Then behold the Republican who is pro-choice and would appoint a Supreme Court nominee likely to also be pro-choice and to be against Citizens United.

[JohnnyRingo]

42. Very bad misreading

They obviously didn't ask Koch if Hillary is a better Republican. They asked if she'd be a better president than Cruz or Trump. Who in their motherfucking right mind believes she probably wouldn't be?

You can love Sanders all you want, but if you really think Clinton would do a worse job than Ted Cruz or Donald Trump you're severely deluded by campaign fever and need a reality check.

Did you really read that wrong yourself, or were you hoping no one would notice the subtle difference in your title wording?

[randome]

61. It's like they're bragging about their candidate losing. Like they enjoy victim-hood or something.

They don't understand how much they're embarrassing themselves.
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[JoePhilly]

80. + 1

[senz]

44. Of course Charles Koch prefers Hill over other Repubs. She adores the 1%. Total corporatist.

She's their dream candidate. And if they finance her campaign and get her into the WH again, she'll do whatever they want. Just let her have the presidency, that's all.

It's a match made in heaven. Or ... somewhere.

[ReasonableToo]

52. She's the "compassionate conservative"

-Pro corporation
-Pro choice
-Says she's pro LGBT but I wonder if "The Family" concurs.
-Anti democratically elected South American presidents that put their citizens needs over the corporations and US military needs.
-pro arms sales over peace talks
-pro fracking
-pro keystone pipeline
-pro TPP including the SOPA regs we fought back years ago.

[FarPoint]

57. Funny you mentioned that....

You are close, but it actually is Sanders who walks the republican path...yet, ...Republicans understand that a vote for Hillary is much better for the country than Sanders, Trump or Cruz.

[Squinch]

63. Weren't Sanders supporters all excited when they thought that Sanders would siphon off

some of the Republican vote?

I guess when Hillary does it it's wrong, though.

All this tells us is that it is painfully obvious to EVERYONE that Hillary is the best candidate running.

[jack_krass]

64. “We would have to believe her actions would be quite different than her rhetoric"

He must have attended some.of her speeches.

[smiley]

65. For once a I agree with the Koch brothers.

She is not a progressive democrat.

[JohnnyRingo]

73. They didn't say she's not a progressive Democrat

They said she'd quite possibly be a "better president" than Ted Cruz or Donald Trump, and that's it. The fact so many agree on that (including you) is why she's electable this cycle.

The interview didn't ask if she would be a better Republican than the GOP contenders. Go back and read beyond the poster's misleading title and ask yourself if she'd be a better president than Ted Cruz. If you'd honestly go with Cruz or Trump in November, I question your judgement and sobriety.

Campaign fever makes people say odd things.

[smiley]

85. Take your cheerleading elsewhere.

She just got endorsed by the Koch brothers. The fact that they are endorsing her as a better choice for president over Trump or Cruz tells me she's not a progressive democrat.

As far as who I'm voting for. It's laughable that you think you have even the slightest right to know.

No need to question my sobriety btw. I just celebrated my 4th year of being alcohol free. But I would definitely question the judgement of someone such as yourself who felt the need to make such a personal attack. And also of someone who feels the need to come to the rescue for the Koch brothers and Hillary Clinton.

Now piss off you bugger. You've just been rewarded with a spot on my ignore list.

[stevenleser]

90. Why is what the Koch brothers say so important all of a sudden? You trust them now?

Who cares what they think. They don't influence my opinion. I am not sure why you are allowing them to influence yours.

And by the way, I hope the poster to whom you responded posts twice as much here after you told them not to.

[stevenleser]

91. Please post twice as much for the next few weeks just to spite the other person

who responded to you who has no right to tell you to take your posts elsewhere.

[JohnnyRingo]

92. I'm not thin skinned

I've been told by Bernibots that I'm not a liberal and should find a conservative site for some time. The tables are turning now and I'm more patient with the tantrums than ever.

I feel bad now because I didn't mean to insinuate he wasn't sober. If he prefers Cruz over Clinton I meant to insult his intelligence.

[Vinca]

67. The support of a Koch says it all.

Is it Hillary's love of Wall Street or love of fracking?

[riversedge]

70. Now you believe what Koch says. I pity you.

[rbrnmw]

74. ....

[stonecutter357]

79. fuck Ron Paul.

[treestar]

82. That is laughable

ask a real Republican.

[MisterP]

89. cue Dems explaining why the Koch Brothers really aren't so bad and we're a big tent

and that we need the money and billionaires aren't ALL bad in 3 2 1