Why can't HRC people just admit that nobody is voting for Bernie out of sexism?

[Ken Burch]

Why this endless insistence that the ONLY way you can prove you don't oppose the election of a woman as president is to support HRC?

It's about the issues...it really is about the merits of the issues.

[That Guy 888]

1. They want to make women hostile to Sanders is my guess.

It's also a way to dismiss valid criticism.

Same thing with charges of racism and ideological purity. Not sure if it's more Orwellian or Rovian.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. Can I take...both

[Ken Burch]

4. We could call it..Rowellian. n/t.

[noretreatnosurrender]

2. Desperation

Not only are they wrong to use this flawed argument but they are doing more harm than good to her campaign when they do it.

[Armstead]

5. Get ready for 4 to 8 years of all criticism being couched in those terms

If she gets elected, and pursues some policy that people disagree with..."You're just criticizing that because you want to go after the First Woman President." (TM)

[reformist2]

7. If they keep up this man-hating, they're going to get Trump elected.

[Gwhittey]

17. They already screwed them selves over

For running vs Trump. They basically gave him a free pass to be sexist because they cried wolf on Sanders so many times. So in GE if try and pull Sexist card on Trump it going to look bad to (I) voters because they tried to pin same thing on most liberal member of congress. A man who has been fighting for women right his whole time in congress.

[farleftlib]

6. It's an attempt at shaming

and a pathetic one at that. She has more baggage than any candidate that's
ever run for president, but they'll just insist it's sexism rather than face the
truth.

Besides, they got the idea from Hillary herself.

[moriah]

9. I don't think the votes are out of sexism, not at all.

I do think that people have used sexist attacks against Hillary, and some have been rather egregious.

But it'd be nice if Bernie supporters would say the same thing about female Clinton supporters -- that we aren't all just voting with our ovaries. That's a pretty sexist attack there, and it's been pretty constant.

[athena]

12. Beautifully put.

I couldn't have said it better.

[morningfog]

10. Because most are not honest and do not engage in good faith.

[baldguy]

11. Maybe if a good number of the attacks on Clinton weren't sexist, they would.

e.g. When a woman gets called a whore, go after the attacker rather than the victim of the attack.

[Downwinder]

13. When you only have one card, you play it.

[Kalidurga]

14. I dunno how they are going to justify the charge of sexism if Bernie Bros become

Jill Greenies....

[astrophuss42]

20. Very good point

I know my s/o has been called a misogynist for not supporting HRC but he's voted for women for president twice.

[Kalidurga]

26. I did once

I voted for Lenora Fulani.

[Ken Burch]

25. Then they'll accuse the 'bros of hating Jews...

...oh, wait a minute...

[YouDig]

15. Surely some people are, whether consciously or not.

There's plenty of research on sexist tendencies, the way people perceive women in positions of power, etc. We're very far from being free of gender prejudices, as a society.

[SheilaT]

16. Because they simply don't understand to what extent they are supporting her only because

she's a woman, and they therefore think that all who oppose her must be opposing her only because she's a woman.

It's an interesting exercise in circular thinking.

I'm a woman (in case my name isn't a clue) and while I would like to live long enough (I'm 67) to see a woman President, Hillary Clinton is NOT the woman I want to see in that office. She will make Margaret Thatcher look competent. Her war-mongering, her willingness to ride roughshod over things like a woman's right to control her own body and Social Security will turn this country so far back that it will be fifty years more, at least, before we'll be willing to elect another woman President.

I am genuinely sorry Elizabeth Warren isn't running. She would make an incredible President. Does anyone reading this suppose that if we do have a brokered Democratic Convention that she'll be nominated? Sigh. I suppose not. And Warren is only a couple of years younger than Hillary (although she looks at least a decade younger, which is something to ponder) so that in 2020 or 2024 she will be seen as far too old to run. Too bad, because aside from Bernie, she's the only real Progressive out there.

[Ken Burch]

22. Drafting Warren in the event of a deadlock is at least an outside possibility

I think the following conditions would have to obtain for that to happen:


As we approach Philadelphia, HRC would have a nominating majority of delegates, but be showing a sharp decline in support against Trump or Cruz(with polls showing her losing by ten points or more, too far back to come-from-behind by November). Bernie would still be nominally in the race, with a solid hold on his bloc of delegates, but just far enough behind to no longer be realis1tically in contention for the nom.

Fearing defeat, yet unwilling to turn to Bernie, the superdelegates(who, remember, are completely unbound)would then turn to Warren, with the Sanders delegates joining them(I can imagine Bernie throwing his support to Warren in this scenario. The pressure created by the swing of Sanders delegates and supers, joined by massive expressions of popular support in the streets all across the country, would then become too much for HRC(who would be faced then with the choice of either staying in and getting nominated but facing certain defeat or being proclaimed a hero for sacrificing in the name of the greater good, (and possibly after being promised the first open Supreme Court nomination)she would then decide to withdraw and release her delegates to vote their consciences.

It's not the most likely scenario, but this is how I could see it happening.

[qdouble]

18. To say nobody votes for Bernie over Hillary because of sexism...

would be the same thing as saying nobody votes against Obama for being black or against Bernie for being old or Jewish. Of course there are people who do all three. Of course not all of Sanders support is based on sexism, but it's just being unrealistic to say that some of his supporters don't have sexist motivations. It's likely a very small minority of course, but it exists.

[Ken Burch]

23. OK, no one does it consciously.

My point, in general, remains valid:

Men who are consciously sexist, though, are overwhelmingly conservative. Those sorts of men aren't going to vote for any candidate with left-of-center views. They would vote for Trump or Cruz, not Bernie-especially since men who are consciously sexist are also much more likely to be antisemitic(as well as being bigoted towards other historically oppressed groups).

[qdouble]

37. racism/sexism is indeed heavier on the republican/conservative side...

but it exists on the left as well. It's one of the reasons why people are more likely to lean left in areas that are more homogenous. Racism/sexism is often the cause of people leaning to the right, not the symptom.

[all american girl]

19. Voting for Bernie isn't sexist thank you very much

But whose campaign like to throw things out like vagina voters and I'm not voting with my vagina? Not Hillary's. So maybe you should start there. Some women don't like that.

[CharlotteVale]

21. Because that would show the charade of Hillary playing the

woman card for what it is.

[Lodestar]

24. That's just their latest meme....ignore.

[dchill]

27. "Why can't HRC people just admit..."

If they started down that road, Bernie Sanders would be the nominee! Can't do that.

[Firebrand Gary]

31. That's bull and you know it.

This is about the issues and HRC supporters have participated in attempting to move the ball forward this last eight years. I happen to believe that the agenda's of both candidates are more alike than they are not. The difference between is that I think Hillary is the candidate to actually get it done.

[MFM008]

28. I think she is the most qualified period.

I get nervous thinking about Sanders as POTUS, I dont think hes got it when it comes to world policies. Better secretary of Interior or something.

[Ken Burch]

30. I respect your opinion. n/t.

[Firebrand Gary]

29. I'm for HRC and I don't believe that.

I believe that it is about the issues at their core, but I think we're crossing into dangerous territory when the anger overtakes our personal filters, especially surrogates on both sides. Bernie's and HRC's supporters should be unified in their condemnation of Rosario's comments.

[JohnnyRingo]

32. Nobody? Are you serious?

I think I understand what you're trying to say, but what are the odds that not one single person is supporting Sanders because he/she thinks a woman is unfit for the highest office. I'm certain it's not just a relative handful either as a lot of people believe that. Saying sexism doesn't exist because it's Bernie Freakin' Sanders is an absurd statement.

You could rightfully say "not everyone" is voting for Sanders because they're sexist, but that doesn't sound as defiant and self serving.

[Onlooker]

33. The one major demographic Bernie won in New York was white male ...

... Why do you think that is? Coincidence?

[senz]

34. Millennial Women are Gravitating to Bernie Sanders

https://newrepublic.com/article/129483/millennial-women-gravitating-bernie-sanders

And there are a multitude of old ladies like me who will gladly vote for Bernie in the primary and the GE.

[nenagh]

35. Well, as a 70 yr old divorced woman, whose job was the sole economic support of my children

for many years...I maintained that position by following every rule and regulation which was related to that field of employment.

The reason for the many rules and regulations was risk management.

So when an individual so cavalierly chooses self's desires over regulations put in place to protect the many or secrets vital to the USA...I find the candidate ethically challenged... She should have found a way to work within the system...

[bbgrunt]

36. well her candidacy will certainly

bring out the sexists in full battle force in the GE and we can expect further backlash against women in republican territories....

Telling those who are sexist that they are sexist will be as effective as telling banks to "cut it out".

But they lie and ultimately demean their cause when they accuse Bernie of exhibiting sexism in the primary.