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Hillary and guns which is it?
Last edited Sun Apr 24, 2016, 09:49 AM - Edit history (1)
“I want to be really clear about this, because I learned how to shoot a gun behind our cottage in Lake Winola,” Mrs. Clinton said. “And I know how important gun ownership and particularly hunting is here in northeastern Pennsylvania.”
one minute she is against guns and the next minute she is for them? Annie Oakley is back in Penn.
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/23/hillary-clintons-pennsylvania-visit-is-another-welcome-home/?_r=0
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I read the quote in the OP and assumed the poster was bringing up comments Hillary made during the 2008 campaign, when Obama called her "Annie Oakley." I figured the original poster had committed the sin of failing to mention that that was something that happened 8 years ago.
Except that it turns out that this just happened!
How can anyone with a straight face and no liquor in their system justify and rationalize such incongruency and pandering?!
Hillary voted against CHILD SAFETY LOCKS on guns. Bernie voted for the locks.
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Hillary voted _against_ banning armor piercing "cop-killer" bullets- Bernie voted for the ban
(Sec. 6) Sets penalties for using or carrying armor piercing ammunition during and in relation to a crime of violence or a drug trafficking crime, and for possessing armor piercing ammunition in furtherance of any such crime, that shall be in addition to the punishment otherwise provided for such crime.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s397/summary
What was Hillary thinking? Why did she vote against the ban on cop-killer bullets?
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Hillary has been a friend of the gun and ammo industries
Winchester rifle ammo with bullets designed to fragment and spread in the target’s body
Big Ammo: Clinton is raising money from gunpowder lobbyists and investors
At the Democratic debate on 14 April 2016, Hillary Clinton said that “we need a president who will stand up against the gun lobby.” However Secretary of State Clinton effectively stood with the gun lobby as she approved millions in revenue for two huge gunpowder mills. Since then she has received payments from numerous ammunition industry stakeholders, including over $160,000 in contributions from her campaign chair’s brother, ammo lobbyist Anthony Podesta.
While Clinton has been connected to the gunmakers that make the assault rifles used in American massacres and an NRA lobbyist, less attention has been paid to her ties to ammunition manufacturers that also play a central role in the gun lobby. In the financial years ending in 2010 and 2011, Secretary Clinton approved sales of ammunition worth upwards of $345 million. The approvals included those for a gunpowder giant that Clinton is especially close to.
Clinton approved sales for NRA-allied ammunition suppliers. Pentagon reports show that in the two years ending June 2011, Clinton approved more than $144 million in gun and ammunition sales for General Dynamics (GD) as well as $34 million in ammunition sales for GD’s gunpowder client, Winchester. Though GD does not itself sell ammunition directly to the retail market, their St Mark’s Powder mill is a major wholesale supplier of gunpowder for domestic commercial ammo brands like Challenger, Samson, Ramshot, Blazer, Hodgdon and Winchester. General Dynamics gunpowders include formulation 748, “the powder of choice for 223 Remington ammunition.” Remington 223 ammunition is used in AR-15 assault rifles, the type of guns that were used in both the Sandy Hook and San Bernardino massacres. Winchester sells ammunition to American consumers, and is a strong supporter of the gun lobby. Winchester has close ties with the National Rifle Association specifically, co-sponsoring a shooting education program with the NRA.
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Meanwhile - Just 8 short years ago, almost to the day.... Bang Bang!!
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I could go on, but, with all the pandering, talking out of both sides of one's mouth depending on the audience over the years, and repeatedly, repeatedly, ad nauseum - changes of "principles" over the years where this candidate is concerned, I really don't want to spend the next three days and create the worlds longest post record at this time, so I will leave it at this for now...
(Remember personality over policy people - before you become too angry with me, I left out all the bits where she acts as arm dealer and supplier of things like cluster bombs and war planes, etc, etc, etc.... So I am being nice.)
(Sec. 5) Child Safety Lock Act of 2005 - Prohibits the sale, delivery, or transfer by a licensed importer, manufacturer, or dealer of a handgun to any person other than a person with a firearms license unless the transferee is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device. Lists exceptions, including for U.S. and state agencies and for law enforcement. Grants immunity from a qualified civil liability action for a person who has lawful possession and control of a handgun and who uses a secure gun storage or safety device. Establishes as penalties for violations: (1) license revocation or suspension for up to six months; or (2) a civil penalty of up to $2,500.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s397/summary
Hypocrite much?
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s397/summary
Hypocrite much?
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Hillary voted _against_ banning armor piercing "cop-killer" bullets- Bernie voted for the ban
(Sec. 6) Sets penalties for using or carrying armor piercing ammunition during and in relation to a crime of violence or a drug trafficking crime, and for possessing armor piercing ammunition in furtherance of any such crime, that shall be in addition to the punishment otherwise provided for such crime.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/s397/summary
What was Hillary thinking? Why did she vote against the ban on cop-killer bullets?
More
Hillary has been a friend of the gun and ammo industries
Winchester rifle ammo with bullets designed to fragment and spread in the target’s body
Big Ammo: Clinton is raising money from gunpowder lobbyists and investors
At the Democratic debate on 14 April 2016, Hillary Clinton said that “we need a president who will stand up against the gun lobby.” However Secretary of State Clinton effectively stood with the gun lobby as she approved millions in revenue for two huge gunpowder mills. Since then she has received payments from numerous ammunition industry stakeholders, including over $160,000 in contributions from her campaign chair’s brother, ammo lobbyist Anthony Podesta.
While Clinton has been connected to the gunmakers that make the assault rifles used in American massacres and an NRA lobbyist, less attention has been paid to her ties to ammunition manufacturers that also play a central role in the gun lobby. In the financial years ending in 2010 and 2011, Secretary Clinton approved sales of ammunition worth upwards of $345 million. The approvals included those for a gunpowder giant that Clinton is especially close to.
Clinton approved sales for NRA-allied ammunition suppliers. Pentagon reports show that in the two years ending June 2011, Clinton approved more than $144 million in gun and ammunition sales for General Dynamics (GD) as well as $34 million in ammunition sales for GD’s gunpowder client, Winchester. Though GD does not itself sell ammunition directly to the retail market, their St Mark’s Powder mill is a major wholesale supplier of gunpowder for domestic commercial ammo brands like Challenger, Samson, Ramshot, Blazer, Hodgdon and Winchester. General Dynamics gunpowders include formulation 748, “the powder of choice for 223 Remington ammunition.” Remington 223 ammunition is used in AR-15 assault rifles, the type of guns that were used in both the Sandy Hook and San Bernardino massacres. Winchester sells ammunition to American consumers, and is a strong supporter of the gun lobby. Winchester has close ties with the National Rifle Association specifically, co-sponsoring a shooting education program with the NRA.
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Meanwhile - Just 8 short years ago, almost to the day.... Bang Bang!!
VALPARAISO, Indiana (CNN) - Hillary Clinton appealed to Second Amendment supporters on Saturday by hinting that she has some experience of her own pulling triggers.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/12/clinton-touts-her-experience-with-guns/
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I disagree with Sen. Obama’s assertion that people in our country cling to guns and have certain attitudes about trade and immigration simply out of frustration,” she began, referring to the Obama comments on small-town Americans that set off a political tumult on Friday.
Noting that many hunters and gun collectors want to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, Clinton referred to her positive childhood experiences with firearms.
"As I told you, my dad taught me how to shoot behind our cottage,” she said. “I have gone hunting. I am not a hunter. But I have gone hunting."
Clinton said she has hunted ducks.
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Clinton Becomes A Gun Lover
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/12/hillary-becomes-a-gun-lov_n_96396.html
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http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/04/12/clinton-touts-her-experience-with-guns/
“
I disagree with Sen. Obama’s assertion that people in our country cling to guns and have certain attitudes about trade and immigration simply out of frustration,” she began, referring to the Obama comments on small-town Americans that set off a political tumult on Friday.
Noting that many hunters and gun collectors want to keep weapons out of the hands of criminals, Clinton referred to her positive childhood experiences with firearms.
"As I told you, my dad taught me how to shoot behind our cottage,” she said. “I have gone hunting. I am not a hunter. But I have gone hunting."
Clinton said she has hunted ducks.
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Clinton Becomes A Gun Lover
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/12/hillary-becomes-a-gun-lov_n_96396.html
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I could go on, but, with all the pandering, talking out of both sides of one's mouth depending on the audience over the years, and repeatedly, repeatedly, ad nauseum - changes of "principles" over the years where this candidate is concerned, I really don't want to spend the next three days and create the worlds longest post record at this time, so I will leave it at this for now...
(Remember personality over policy people - before you become too angry with me, I left out all the bits where she acts as arm dealer and supplier of things like cluster bombs and war planes, etc, etc, etc.... So I am being nice.)
