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bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:04 PM Apr 2016

Vote Machines and flipping votes - Interesting.

https://www.facebook.com/philip.e.taylor.75/videos/10206567102117767/

80% of the votes on machines with no ability of verifying:

This post was under that above video and just someone else not the person in the video:::

Philip E Taylor

CLINTON LOSES MOST CAUCUS VOTES WITH PEOPLE’S HEADS COUNTED! -- 7 minutes

BERNIE PERCENTAGES IN CAUCUS STATES - VERY HARD TO CHEAT THE HEAD COUNTS! = NO VOTING MACHINE FRAUD

AVERAGE = 65% FOR BERNIE IN 13 CAUCUS STATES!

49.6% IOWA
47.3% NEVADA
59.0% COLORADO
61.6% MINNESOTA
67.7% KANSAS
57.1% NEBRASKA
64.1% MAINE
78.0% IDAHO
79.3% UTAH
79.6% ALASKA
69.8% HAWAII
72.7% WASHINGTON
55.7% WYOMING

BUT WHEN VOTING MACHINES ARE USED BERNIE LOSES!

THE FINAL TALLIES CAN BE CHANGED IN LESS THAN A MINUTE!

BERNIE'S ONLY VOTING MACHINE WINS = NEW HAMPSHIRE + VERMONT + OKLAHOMA + MICHIGAN

ALL OTHER VOTING MACHINE STATES WERE LOST = TALLIES CHANGED

SOUTH WAS TOTAL FRAUD AND VERY SUSPICIOUS LOSSES!

WE KNOW MASSIVE CLINTON CHEATING HAPPENED IN MASSACHUSETTS + ARIZONA + NEW YORK + ENTIRE SOUTH + ILLINOIS

BUT HERE IS HOW CLINTON ZIO-MAFIA WON THE SOUTH AND OTHER STATES USING UNACCOUNTABLE ELECTRONIC VOTE COUNTING TALLEY FRAUD - IN 60 SECONDS THEY FLIP THE TALLIES FOR CLINTON!

CLINTONS AMAZING COMPUTER TALLY CLUSTER F IN THESE 5 STATES WITHIN 3% OF EACH OTHER

ARKANSAS 22 to 10 = 68.8%
TEXAS 147 to 75 = 66.2%
TENNESSEE 44 to 23 = 65.7%
FLORIDA 141 to 73 = 65.9%
VIRGINIA 63 to 33 = 65.6% "




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Vote Machines and flipping votes - Interesting. (Original Post) bkkyosemite Apr 2016 OP
When are people going to stand up and say enough with these damn machines! bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #1
They are starting to push to get rid of the caucuses. n/t Skwmom Apr 2016 #2
That's some psychopathic stuff from that there FB page Dem2 Apr 2016 #3
The video is not the same as that comment which was below it. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #4
Comment? Dem2 Apr 2016 #6
ALL CAPS MAKES IT TRUE!!!! Agschmid Apr 2016 #20
I feel sad inside Dem2 Apr 2016 #22
Yup. Agschmid Apr 2016 #23
Wow. This is ample evidence for involuntary commitment. Zynx Apr 2016 #5
People have to be diligent at the polls. In NJ, we have electronic machines that flip votes too. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #7
They say that you can see your vote. But later that evening they can come back and flip a bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #9
Oh, that sux. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #11
"Hacking Democracy" deathrind Apr 2016 #8
Vote machines are rigged and thanks but I think I have seen that one. This is a travesty to cheat bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #10
Thank you, I will seek this out. Unicorn Apr 2016 #15
Wasn't there a forum for the BBV people? The Conspiracy Theory forum? moriah Apr 2016 #12
And actually, this primary they used Scantrons at our precinct. Nt moriah Apr 2016 #13
you're lucky. Many states have no way to verify. Your state decided to make it a priority when it Unicorn Apr 2016 #16
We didn't do machines beyond Scantrons until the 2008 election, so... moriah Apr 2016 #19
Starting in 2000 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #14
Tinfoily stuff aside, there are a few things to point out. Wilms Apr 2016 #21
I agree tbat there is tinfoil hattery going on, but passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #25
Chicago uses the same system in early voting xloadiex Apr 2016 #27
... Why are you internet screaming? Agschmid Apr 2016 #17
Caucuses have a totally different turnout profile. They make it difficult YouDig Apr 2016 #18
Too much all caps KingFlorez Apr 2016 #24
. RandySF Apr 2016 #26
Is "Clinton Zio-Mafia" shorthand for "Clinton Zion Mafia?" NBachers Apr 2016 #28

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
6. Comment?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:17 PM
Apr 2016

Like this?

CLINTON LOSES MOST CAUCUS VOTES WITH PEOPLE’S HEADS COUNTED! -- 7 minutes

BERNIE PERCENTAGES IN CAUCUS STATES - VERY HARD TO CHEAT THE HEAD COUNTS! = NO VOTING MACHINE FRAUD


That's conspiracy theory nonsense.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
22. I feel sad inside
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:59 PM
Apr 2016

Like all the Reddit trolls have escaped to sites where they can't be tagged and downvoted.

TheBlackAdder

(28,208 posts)
7. People have to be diligent at the polls. In NJ, we have electronic machines that flip votes too.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:24 PM
Apr 2016

.


My family all know that once they push a button to confirm which light is lit up.

Sometimes, you press button A, and light B highlights. Then, you press A again and then A will light up.


At least these machines have a tape backup.

I recall some states don't use secondary physical media to record votes.


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bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
9. They say that you can see your vote. But later that evening they can come back and flip a
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:39 PM
Apr 2016

percentage of votes to one side or the other and you cannot tell because of their proprietary software.

deathrind

(1,786 posts)
8. "Hacking Democracy"
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:33 PM
Apr 2016

If you have not seen it I recommend it if this issue is of interest to you.

It is an HBO documentary....from 2006.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
10. Vote machines are rigged and thanks but I think I have seen that one. This is a travesty to cheat
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

the votes. These machines have to be dealt with.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
12. Wasn't there a forum for the BBV people? The Conspiracy Theory forum?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:43 PM
Apr 2016

I have worked each election since 2008 as a poll worker, and I can say at least in Arkansas there is a clear way to verify the electronic vote.

First, our machines print out a visible audit trail for each user. They can see what their vote was typed out as right next to the screen. As part of showing voters how the machines worked, we were to show them the side panel, and ask them to compare their vote to what was printed in the audit log.

Secondly, after all votes were tallied we made sure the vote count on the machines matched the total number of voters checked into the precinct, and were able to see the results from each machine. Those results were written down there, and also the memory sticks were placed in envelopes. All of us working that precinct witnessed both the paper audit trails and disks sealed, and signed.

Then, the votes were taken to the county courthouse, and two people from the precinct waited while the numbers for our precinct were added to the big board, and made sure they matched the totals we had.

With those safeguards, a central hacking attempt would be difficult, and there were voter-verified sealed audit trails for recounts.

Tinfoil hattery isn't going to save Bernie. I'm sorry, but it won't.

 

Unicorn

(424 posts)
16. you're lucky. Many states have no way to verify. Your state decided to make it a priority when it
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:52 PM
Apr 2016

bought the machines.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
19. We didn't do machines beyond Scantrons until the 2008 election, so...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

... there fortunately were several audit trail models our budget could take by then.

But I did feel it important to mention Arkansas because the OP was trying to use Arkansas results in their theory. I know for certain about our machines, though I can't say the same about every other state.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
14. Starting in 2000
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:49 PM
Apr 2016

At this point after so many, I "vote" but don't expect it to count. Oh and in my mind elections are illegitimate. Guess what? This has nada to do with Sanders.

 

Wilms

(26,795 posts)
21. Tinfoily stuff aside, there are a few things to point out.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:58 PM
Apr 2016

It is possible for the "printed audit trail" to say one thing, and the internal tally to do another or be changed later. Making "sure the vote count on the machines matched the total number of voters checked into the precinct", does not assure that the votes were allotted properly. And anyone under-voting would throw the number off too.

That chain of custody part sounds fine. But what are (and here is the kicker) the laws surrounding audits and recounts? In New York, a cursory audit turned up discrepancies but a judge would not allow a recount.

Keep in mind, it's quite possible to make an actual mistake when programming the election. This was pretty much demonstrated in an Iowa election years ago where everyone who would have won by a large margin lost by a large margin! They found the error and it was the "straight-party" button that was mis-programmed. And it wasn't touch screen, so they reran the ballots.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
25. I agree tbat there is tinfoil hattery going on, but
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:28 PM
Apr 2016

Shouldn't every precinct have a team of both opposition members to do this validation effrort?

You see, it doesn't matter how straight the verification system is, if you don't have neutral people running it, or a matched team of the competition.

xloadiex

(628 posts)
27. Chicago uses the same system in early voting
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:44 PM
Apr 2016

You have a choice of those machines or paper ballot on election day They still manage to pull off fraud here obviously.

They need to check the tape against what the machines spit out. I'd bet they find a difference. Either that or they are screwing with the paper votes on election day.

YouDig

(2,280 posts)
18. Caucuses have a totally different turnout profile. They make it difficult
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

to vote, and Bernie has less supporters, but they are more enthusiastic, which explains the difference. It has nothing to do with voting machines.

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