2016 Postmortem
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https://www.facebook.com/philip.e.taylor.75/videos/10206567102117767/80% of the votes on machines with no ability of verifying:
This post was under that above video and just someone else not the person in the video:::
Philip E Taylor
CLINTON LOSES MOST CAUCUS VOTES WITH PEOPLES HEADS COUNTED! -- 7 minutes
BERNIE PERCENTAGES IN CAUCUS STATES - VERY HARD TO CHEAT THE HEAD COUNTS! = NO VOTING MACHINE FRAUD
AVERAGE = 65% FOR BERNIE IN 13 CAUCUS STATES!
49.6% IOWA
47.3% NEVADA
59.0% COLORADO
61.6% MINNESOTA
67.7% KANSAS
57.1% NEBRASKA
64.1% MAINE
78.0% IDAHO
79.3% UTAH
79.6% ALASKA
69.8% HAWAII
72.7% WASHINGTON
55.7% WYOMING
BUT WHEN VOTING MACHINES ARE USED BERNIE LOSES!
THE FINAL TALLIES CAN BE CHANGED IN LESS THAN A MINUTE!
BERNIE'S ONLY VOTING MACHINE WINS = NEW HAMPSHIRE + VERMONT + OKLAHOMA + MICHIGAN
ALL OTHER VOTING MACHINE STATES WERE LOST = TALLIES CHANGED
SOUTH WAS TOTAL FRAUD AND VERY SUSPICIOUS LOSSES!
WE KNOW MASSIVE CLINTON CHEATING HAPPENED IN MASSACHUSETTS + ARIZONA + NEW YORK + ENTIRE SOUTH + ILLINOIS
BUT HERE IS HOW CLINTON ZIO-MAFIA WON THE SOUTH AND OTHER STATES USING UNACCOUNTABLE ELECTRONIC VOTE COUNTING TALLEY FRAUD - IN 60 SECONDS THEY FLIP THE TALLIES FOR CLINTON!
CLINTONS AMAZING COMPUTER TALLY CLUSTER F IN THESE 5 STATES WITHIN 3% OF EACH OTHER
ARKANSAS 22 to 10 = 68.8%
TEXAS 147 to 75 = 66.2%
TENNESSEE 44 to 23 = 65.7%
FLORIDA 141 to 73 = 65.9%
VIRGINIA 63 to 33 = 65.6% "
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Thanks for sharing!
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Like this?
CLINTON LOSES MOST CAUCUS VOTES WITH PEOPLES HEADS COUNTED! -- 7 minutes
BERNIE PERCENTAGES IN CAUCUS STATES - VERY HARD TO CHEAT THE HEAD COUNTS! = NO VOTING MACHINE FRAUD
That's conspiracy theory nonsense.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)Like all the Reddit trolls have escaped to sites where they can't be tagged and downvoted.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts).
My family all know that once they push a button to confirm which light is lit up.
Sometimes, you press button A, and light B highlights. Then, you press A again and then A will light up.
At least these machines have a tape backup.
I recall some states don't use secondary physical media to record votes.
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bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)percentage of votes to one side or the other and you cannot tell because of their proprietary software.
TheBlackAdder
(28,208 posts)deathrind
(1,786 posts)If you have not seen it I recommend it if this issue is of interest to you.
It is an HBO documentary....from 2006.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)the votes. These machines have to be dealt with.
Unicorn
(424 posts)moriah
(8,311 posts)I have worked each election since 2008 as a poll worker, and I can say at least in Arkansas there is a clear way to verify the electronic vote.
First, our machines print out a visible audit trail for each user. They can see what their vote was typed out as right next to the screen. As part of showing voters how the machines worked, we were to show them the side panel, and ask them to compare their vote to what was printed in the audit log.
Secondly, after all votes were tallied we made sure the vote count on the machines matched the total number of voters checked into the precinct, and were able to see the results from each machine. Those results were written down there, and also the memory sticks were placed in envelopes. All of us working that precinct witnessed both the paper audit trails and disks sealed, and signed.
Then, the votes were taken to the county courthouse, and two people from the precinct waited while the numbers for our precinct were added to the big board, and made sure they matched the totals we had.
With those safeguards, a central hacking attempt would be difficult, and there were voter-verified sealed audit trails for recounts.
Tinfoil hattery isn't going to save Bernie. I'm sorry, but it won't.
moriah
(8,311 posts)Unicorn
(424 posts)bought the machines.
moriah
(8,311 posts)... there fortunately were several audit trail models our budget could take by then.
But I did feel it important to mention Arkansas because the OP was trying to use Arkansas results in their theory. I know for certain about our machines, though I can't say the same about every other state.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)At this point after so many, I "vote" but don't expect it to count. Oh and in my mind elections are illegitimate. Guess what? This has nada to do with Sanders.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)It is possible for the "printed audit trail" to say one thing, and the internal tally to do another or be changed later. Making "sure the vote count on the machines matched the total number of voters checked into the precinct", does not assure that the votes were allotted properly. And anyone under-voting would throw the number off too.
That chain of custody part sounds fine. But what are (and here is the kicker) the laws surrounding audits and recounts? In New York, a cursory audit turned up discrepancies but a judge would not allow a recount.
Keep in mind, it's quite possible to make an actual mistake when programming the election. This was pretty much demonstrated in an Iowa election years ago where everyone who would have won by a large margin lost by a large margin! They found the error and it was the "straight-party" button that was mis-programmed. And it wasn't touch screen, so they reran the ballots.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Shouldn't every precinct have a team of both opposition members to do this validation effrort?
You see, it doesn't matter how straight the verification system is, if you don't have neutral people running it, or a matched team of the competition.
xloadiex
(628 posts)You have a choice of those machines or paper ballot on election day They still manage to pull off fraud here obviously.
They need to check the tape against what the machines spit out. I'd bet they find a difference. Either that or they are screwing with the paper votes on election day.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Also your argument is inherently flawed, not that you'd care.
YouDig
(2,280 posts)to vote, and Bernie has less supporters, but they are more enthusiastic, which explains the difference. It has nothing to do with voting machines.
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)In all honesty that looks like a bunch of rambling from an unstable person.