Why Aren’t We Talking About How Boys And Men Feel About A Woman President?

[factfinder_77]

http://rolereboot.org/culture-and-politics/details/2016-02-arent-talking-boys-men-feel-woman-president/

A recent study of more than 1,700 students showed that college-aged men consistently underestimate the intellect and abilities of their female peers and over-estimate those of other men.
Last year, another study of high school students conducted by Harvard’s Graduate School of Education showed even more disturbing findings: When indicating a preference for student leaders, students—all of them—showed the most confidence in young white boys and the least confidence in young white girls. The study included almost 20,000 kids from across the country

While media has recently been fixated on women voters and their support, or lack of support, for women candidates, very little has been said about young men’s beliefs.

Only a smattering of stories mention a persistent bias for male leadership as driving supporters’ behavior.

Jackson Katz’s work explaining American presidential campaigns as referendums on competing versions of American manhood, a reality that is intrinsically hostile to Hillary Clinton, is nowhere to be seen. Not only are girls and women not “voting with their vaginas,” but the majority of people, whether implicitly or explicitly, are still voting, to put it in equally crass terms, in favor of a candidate’s penis, especially male voters. But, mum’s the word.

The conservative gender ideas of a large percentage of Millennials, particularly men, are a serious problem for women candidates, both in terms of party affiliation and intra-party competitions.

[cherokeeprogressive]

1. I DREAM of a woman President. I just pray it isn't Hillary Clinton.

And I wonder why the fuck anyone would care what boys feel about it.

[Rebkeh]

11. Yes

[Barack_America]

19. Indeed. Margaret Thatcher didn't exactly shatter the glass ceiling.

As it turns out, who the politician is, and what she does and stands for actually matters.

[SFnomad]

20. Thatcher was Prime Minister, she was never head of state (that would be the Queen) n/t

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

22. Margaret Thatcher loathed other women her entire life

Thatcher always resented being defined by her sex and never identified with feminism.

[whatchamacallit]

2. Why Aren't We Talking About How Girls And Women Not Supporting Clinton Feel About A Woman President?

[farleftlib]

4. That would be me!

There are many, many qualified women I would be delighted to see in the WH.
Not HRC, never HRC. Besides, I want the most qualified candidate to become
president, not the one with the same genitalia as mine.

[Baobab]

15. We shouldnt be put in the position were we have to think about sex or race.

We shouldn't need to.

[CharlotteVale]

5. That wouldn't fit their narrative.

[anigbrowl]

8. Because this thread is about something else.

Nothing is stopping you from kicking off a thread to discuss the demographic you are most interested in. It might make for a great discussion!

[loyalsister]

17. I hope to happily vote for one someday

If Hillary Clinton is the nominee I will do so reluctantly and feel heartbroken in Jan. 2017 no matter who wins.

[apcalc]

3. Doesn't surprise me.

there are some young feminist males, but when it comes to women leaders a lot of men just are not all that progressive.

Too bad , because they underrate 52% of the population.

We know, they will protest " we support a woman , just not THIS woman"
Heard it all before, many times. KMA I say.

Whatever...the struggle for fairness continues.

[TM99]

6. Bullshit.

Many of us men young and old support female leaders and politicians. We voted for female senators and congress women. Why can't y'all just get that we just don't like the policies and positions of THIS one female candidate.

Fuck, I will be voting for a female come November if Clinton wins the nomination, it just won't be her. It will be Dr. Jill Stein, whom I have voted for in the past.

Whatever...the struggle for playing the gender card and the sexism trope continues.

[apcalc]

7. Good, glad to hear it, then you are not

One I was referring to. You cannot deny that predjudice exists.


By the way I mentioned no one specific .

[TheBlackAdder]

9. Are you paid by the OP now? While most are flawed, 6-7 OPs in 2 hours. Critical Thought dies!

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The article has some valid points but


1) it glosses over the gender-rolling of young girls and how by leaving college many of their attitudes are set.


2) It merges the Republican and Democratic women in office. Odd, more Dem women in the statehouse, less in Congress.


3) PLOS allows people with minimal review to post and are subject to review afterwards. No comments yet.


4) I would tend to utilize Rutgers-Eagleton's Center for American Woman and Politics as a research hub. This is because they are the only collegiate center that specializes in the dynamics of women in politics. We've had this chat before.


5) The OP seems to give the impression that a vote by gender, instead of platform is paramount.


6) Glossing over the effects of single-parent households, since many are now part of a divorced or single household:

Millennials join their elders in disapproving of this trend. About six-in-ten adults in all four generations say that more children being raised by a single parent is bad for society; this is the most negative evaluation by the public of any of the changes in family structure tested in the Pew Research survey (see Chapter 3).

7) Perhaps I've read past this, even thought the search engine only finds 2 hits for "child" and "35" only appears 3 times. Where 35 appears 26 & 45 do not. I don't find the Pew link reference that:

A Pew Research study revealed that 35% of Millennial men without kids think women should “take care of the home and children,” compared to only 26% of Gen Xers and 21% of men older than 45.

I've stopped. As my one mentor would say, "You're just not trying hard enough!" This article would get kicked back for rewrite.


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[reformist2]

10. So THIS is what's at the heart of the Hillary cult. A desire to teach the "boys" a lesson.

[Rebkeh]

12. If Warren was running for president,

pretty much every Bernie supporter would flock to her.

[athena]

16. I doubt it.

The only reason Warren is so popular is that she's not running. Everyone, male or female, likes a woman who is not challenging the status quo. Hillary was extremely popular when she stopped being Secretary of State.

[Eric J in MN]

23. If every man who says he likes Elizabeth Warren is lying

...then I don't know how she got elected to the US Senate.

12/15/14

MoveOn.org officials announced Monday that they have garnered 110,000 signatures on a petition urging Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) to run for president in 2016.

The announcement comes just one week after the progressive grassroots group launched a "Run Warren Run" campaign that included a $1 million investment.

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/227222-110000-sign-warren-petition

[egalitegirl]

13. Boys, girls, men and women, everyone gets only one vote

This topic is not of any use because everyone gets only one vote. People who oppose Hillary Clinton have supported Sarah Palin. People who oppose Sarah Palin support Hillary Clinton. So the claim that Hillary does not get the support due to bias against women seems like whining.

We should also note that neither the supporters of Hillary nor those of Sarah Palin vote on issues but vote due to undying loyalty and their behavior is mostly driven by fear that the other party may come to power. This is a very strange behavior when their own party leader ends up being bipartisan and working with the opposing party.

The only people in this election cycle who are not driven by fear and who are intelligent people who vote on issues are the supporters of Bernie Sanders. All others have been frightened into voting the way they do.

[Baobab]

14. I would love to see a woman President, i just emphatically think that Hillary Clinton should NOT be

that woman.

because she would not bring to the table what I think are women's strong points.

Contrast her to Elizabeth Warren

[davidn3600]

18. No it's mostly politics of the woman

Go over to Free Republic and they worship Sarah Palin. There is no question the people over there will vote for her to be president. Heck, conservatives even loved Margaret Thatcher. So to say that men just don't want to see a woman leader is a bit ridiculous. The reason the Freepers won't vote for Hillary has nothing to do with her gender....it's her political party they have a problem with.

Feminists for some odd reason think that Hillary is beyond qualified for the White House and deserves her chance. And if she is denied, then that means sexism is obviously involved.
That's ridiculous because when you look at history, it's not uncommon the less qualified candidate wins....even when it is between two men. Heck, that happened back in 2008. John McCain was WAY more qualified than Obama.

Some voters may even argue they prefer LESS qualified candidates because they believe they are less likely to have been corrupted by Washington D.C. establishments and special interests.

[frustrated_lefty]

21. I dunno, because most Bernie supporters

would be happy to vote for Elizabeth Warren? You Clintonites keep trying to make it about the sex of the candidate and are utterly blind to the woeful inadequacies of Hillary.

Hillarie's crappy stance and platform are what make her unappealing.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

24. Voting against, or for, a woman because of her gender is sexist.

[DesertRat]

25. This was an interesting read

Thanks for posting.

[MFM008]

26. because we dont sit around

and wonder how women feel about 44 men presidents .

[HooptieWagon]

27. Ask the Republicans...that's where you'll find the sexism.

For the vast majority of Democrats it's a non issue. It's a non-issue for male Sanders supporters, most of whom will vote for either Clinton or Stein. It's not an issue for the many female Sanders supporters. In other words, you're just flinging feces.

[silvershadow]

28. Well I'm a man, and I talk all the time about Hillary being the WRONG woman for the job.

And about how it isn't a sexist thing like the Clinton team likes to howl about at every turn as a red herring. And about why it is a red herring and how she wanted to (assumed) she would hang her entire political hat on the "first woman President" thing. And about how Elizabeth Warren, if she had run, would have made a *fine woman President. So there is that.

[GreatGazoo]

29. While the Hillary campaign obsesses over our skin color and genitals, most of us

are actually 3-dimensional individuals.

It is insulting to be told what's allegedly in our hearts by a campaign that buys over 1 million fake Twitter followers.

This is an election -- Give us some policies to vote for and stop talking about our genitals!

[apcalc]

30. A hearty thanks to all the males

Here and elsewhere to whom gender is not a factor in voting. And to the females!

Unfortunately , I still hear people say " I don't think a woman should be president." Perhaps that is more generational.

It seems from reading these posts that we are heading in the right direction.