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Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:22 PM Oct 2012

Romney and Rasmussen Spin Abandoning Ohio

Here is a great post from Dkos putting together some of the pieces that highlight how Rasmussen works hand in hand with Romney to fake a narrative:

from 'jeepdad'

Signs: Romney discouraged in Ohio & looking to Wisconsin

Consider these factors:

1. First, in a piece published Friday night, Huffington Post hints that Romney/Ryan may have privately conceded that Ohio is too steep an uphill climb:

Romney campaign officials would never publicly announce a change in approach. And it's not that they are giving up entirely on Ohio; they certainly have the money to compete anywhere. But Republican sources say Romney headquarters in Boston is increasingly seeing Wisconsin as a state more apt for flipping. Less campaigning has taken place there, meaning fewer voters have been overwhelmed by, and tuned out, political ads. Moreover, the Badger State has, in recent months, been more conducive to Republican success and possesses a stronger ground operation.
It's worth noting (the obvious) that along with public polls, campaigns spend big bucks on internal polls that are even more detailed and accurate. After three weeks of early voting and already around 1,000,000 votes cast in Ohio, both campaigns likely have a good idea how things are shaping up there and if their GOTV operations are getting the job done. If Mittens is truly shifting more focus to Wisconsin, it means his Ohio internals don't look favorable. In fact, the state may already be effectively lost.

2. Also on Friday, Scott Rasmussen posted a conveniently timed poll showing the race (gasp!) all tied up in the Badger State, 49-49. He also was kind enough to post a special "commentary" of why, as he puts it: Wisconsin may be the New Ohio.

If Ohio goes for the president, Romney has a few perilous paths to victory available to him. All require him to carry Wisconsin and its 10 Electoral College votes.
The simplest path without Ohio would be for Romney to win Wisconsin, Colorado and one other swing state. It's plausible, but an uphill struggle. The latest Rasmussen Reports polling in Wisconsin shows the president up by 2 points.

Despite the polls, some conservative activists in Wisconsin think it's possible to pull off an upset. They point out that, unlike Ohio, the state was not flooded with anti-Romney ads over the summer (in Wisconsin, they were still fighting about the governor's election recall at the time). That means more voters may be open to supporting the GOP candidate.

3. Next, and right on cue, came the always helpful Matt Drudge, who fired up his rabid fans and lit twitterverse ablaze when he linked to this heavily re-tweeted article: Is Obama's 'firewall' crumbling? Romney draws level with President in 'safe state' of Wisconsin.
You know how this goes by now. In this article, they cite that convenient Rasmussen poll to push a little meme that Romney is surging to a dead heat! in the once safe state of Wisconsin. Mittmentum! What they don't tell you, of course, is that no other poll has it that close and Mitt Romney hasn't led in a poll there since August (the latest PPP has Obama up 51-45). Still, they make some interesting points:

Wisconsin has not sent a Republican to the White House since Ronald Reagan, but this year the state and its 10 electoral votes are very much up for grabs. Polls here keep showing that Obama and Romney appear to be in an exceptionally close race. Some analysts now say the outcome could hinge on 106 counties nationwide, that swung from Republican George W. Bush in 2004 to Obama in 2008. A third are in Wisconsin, and Chippewa is one of them.

4. Then there's this bit of news as diaried by Markos on Friday. Seems both campaigns bought some air time in Minnesota. Some speculated if the state was being seen as a pick-up opportunity for Romney, but as Markos points out, the buy had more to do with Minnesota's neighbor:
Republicans have already spent $5.5 million on television in Wisconsin this week, compared to about $2.8 million for Team Blue. This is a tepid extension of those efforts, hitting about a quarter million Wisconsin residents via their Minnesota-based media market. And some of these stations bleed into Iowa as well, as a bonus.
So there you go. Team Romney sees the Ohio polling, both public and private, and they realize it's a very steep if not impossible uphill task. Romney would also privately admit that Nevada is off the table as the early voters there look good for Obama. So, Mittens does the math on the back of a napkin and concludes that without Ohio and Nevada, his path to 270 requires a near sweep of the remaining swing states. Therefore Iowa and Wisconsin are critical.
And so Wisconsin -- a state that just started early voting last week -- appears to be the new Ohio. Wisconsin, a state Obama won by 14 points in 2008 and hasn't voted for a Republican president since Ronald Reagan. With or without Paul Ryan on the ticket, there's little indication the GOP will steal the state in 2012.

So if it's true that Ohio looks dire and Mitt Romney is shifting his election hopes on flipping the Badger State with a little more than a week to go, he's ... well, kinda screwed.

5. Which, finally, brings us to the latest campaign schedules:

The battle for Wisconsin hits a fever pitch over the next six days with visits from both presidential candidates and their running mates, underscoring the state's looming role in a nerve-racking electoral endgame for each side.
Vice President Biden is campaigning in Oshkosh and Kenosha today.

Republican Mitt Romney will be in West Allis Monday evening at the Wisconsin Products Pavilion at State Fair Park. Doors open at 5 p.m.

President Barack Obama will be in Green Bay Tuesday.

And Republican Paul Ryan will campaign in the state Wednesday.

This is terrific news, right?
Pretty sure it means we are winning.



One thing I disagree with is money. I do NOT believe Romney's campaign has money. The RNC yes, Romney no. Instead the RNC is the one making the ad buy for WI. The Huffington Post article does a clever spin saying Romney only put 30k in Minneapolis because they didn't think ads would move the dial much. Riiiiiiight. His whole campaign has been based on carpet bombing w/ ads. And when they dropped the 30k, Obama dropped 500K(!!!!) on Minneapolis immediately. That my friends is an in your face statement. I firmly believe that the Romney campaign is short on cash.
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Romney and Rasmussen Spin Abandoning Ohio (Original Post) Maximumnegro Oct 2012 OP
I still do not trust them. asjr Oct 2012 #1
I have no idea what that means Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #4
+100 amborin Oct 2012 #8
That's ridiculous Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #13
Just John2 Oct 2012 #19
i agree with your assessment,time is not in their favor, we get stronger every day n\t -LOKI -BAD FOR YA Oct 2012 #22
I thought of that too. Anything the Republicans do or say I will never asjr Oct 2012 #15
Thanks. speedoo Oct 2012 #2
interesting. but if Obama takes Ohio.....Money Boo Boo has to take NH, CO, VA, FL, WI Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2012 #3
Yeah, let's see him try. He's lost Ohio Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #5
I believe he (Obama) cilla4progress Oct 2012 #7
If he's bailing on Ohio, he's toast-No way Romney ends up taking NH ItsTheMediaStupid Oct 2012 #10
Susan Page would disagree augie-va Oct 2012 #6
Clarify? cilla4progress Oct 2012 #9
Welcome to DU! livetohike Oct 2012 #12
Susan Page augie-va Oct 2012 #21
Looks like Rmoney is falling back on the "last ditch effort" plan RomneyLies Oct 2012 #11
The spin will be he's going for a LANDSLIDE! Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #16
Good article and agree "he" is short on cash Tutonic Oct 2012 #14
Ugh. Sorry but whatever on the voting machine paranoia. Maximumnegro Oct 2012 #17
Paranoia? Tutonic Oct 2012 #18
Dubya had a consistant lead in Ohio in the final weeks of the 2004 election ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #24
i agree he killed bin laden ,he is not playing around ,obama will follow through on his promises -LOKI -BAD FOR YA Oct 2012 #23
Love you. Phx_Dem Oct 2012 #25
Romney is pinning all of his hopes on IA and WI or NH and WI. Jennicut Oct 2012 #20

Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
13. That's ridiculous
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:37 PM
Oct 2012

Romney has 10 days to go. There is no time for a 'ruse' while campaigning. Why would he and Ryan be spending next week in Wisconsin when they could be in other states just for a 'ruse'. LOL, this is why his BS tactics work. Dems fall for it regardless. The guy is an A1 BS artist.

Remember when he said that NC was a lock and that they were pulling out? Except it was just one staffer and now he is heavily advertising in NC... pure BS all the time every time.

 

John2

(2,730 posts)
19. Just
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:01 PM
Oct 2012

remember the limb Rasmussen and Gravis Marketing has went out on with their Polling in the state of North Carolina. My theory is the republicans in North Carolina are getting out earlier to vote to give a perception they have registered all these voters. I think they are using up their reserves and the age of the early vote is unusually high for 60 year olds. These would mostly favor republicans. They are behind in early voting by a good margin but it is closer than 2008. The more of them vote now, the less of them on election day. My evidence is their over all registration om ly reveals about a 35,000 vote increase so far while the African American, Latino and others registrations show a combined total of over 300,000 new voters when all is said and done. The Democratic early voting at this stage has increased also but the Republicans are trying to close the deficit. They have made some progress but it is still a steep hill to climb.

Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
5. Yeah, let's see him try. He's lost Ohio
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:31 PM
Oct 2012

and he probably lost it a while ago, but with only 10 days to go he can't make up the deficit.

ItsTheMediaStupid

(2,800 posts)
10. If he's bailing on Ohio, he's toast-No way Romney ends up taking NH
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:34 PM
Oct 2012

I think VA is going to stay blue as well.

The demographics here in VA have changed significantly in Obama's favor over the last four years.

augie-va

(7 posts)
6. Susan Page would disagree
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:31 PM
Oct 2012

...just saw her and Alex Witt seemingly reading from the same script on MSNBC - Hello all, btw

augie-va

(7 posts)
21. Susan Page
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:15 PM
Oct 2012

I'm an expat yinzer. Go Stiller's

re. Page: The Mittmentum trope- she's pushing it hard. Says if the election were held today Mitt would win the popular vote and lose the electoral college which in turn causes Alex Witt's face to contort like the latter were in a wind tunnel, which is, I'd wager, her orgasm face. Or maybe Alex just reminds me of Ann née Aiken Romney.
I'm looking at 538 and if Nate is saying the not-so-great prevaricator's momentum has subsided then you can be sure it has.
Bah. One thing I have in common with a Tea Bagger -dislike and distrust of the media.

 

RomneyLies

(3,333 posts)
11. Looks like Rmoney is falling back on the "last ditch effort" plan
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:34 PM
Oct 2012

That means he knows he's gonna fucking lose and is rolling all his money onto a longshot.

Tutonic

(2,522 posts)
14. Good article and agree "he" is short on cash
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:38 PM
Oct 2012

But don't forget Tagg, Husted and Kasick have control of voting machines in Ohio. In Wisconsin Walker, Preibus and company likely control Milwaukee area voting machines and then there is Florida that we already know is under the spell of evil Uncle Karl. Obama is lining up outside attorneys at this time to send a Clear and definitive message to the Republics. This election loss will mean that they are banished from the national electoral scene for the next 25 years. They're not going away without a fight.

Maximumnegro

(1,134 posts)
17. Ugh. Sorry but whatever on the voting machine paranoia.
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:42 PM
Oct 2012

Why obsess about a scenario that would require Obama to be MUCH closer than he is in these states. For the millionth time if people listen to the campaign they explain what their strategy has been for dealing with any potential 'irregularities' both before in terms of percentages and GOTV and day off with massive legal representation and monitoring.

think the first black president is going to let voting machines steal votes? come on.

Tutonic

(2,522 posts)
18. Paranoia?
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 12:53 PM
Oct 2012

Ok, I'll accept that moniker gladly. I know that in 2000 and 2004 the Projected winners were Democrats and somehow the final tally favored Republics. Also Obama team must also be paranoid--they're lawyering up for voting machine 'irregularities.' Glad I'm riding with O on this one.

ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
24. Dubya had a consistant lead in Ohio in the final weeks of the 2004 election
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 09:47 PM
Oct 2012

About the same as Obama does now. That means something.

Jennicut

(25,415 posts)
20. Romney is pinning all of his hopes on IA and WI or NH and WI.
Sat Oct 27, 2012, 01:03 PM
Oct 2012

He would have to win CO, FL, NC and VA on top of WI and NH or WI and IA.
He would need to run the table with a lot of swing states and that is difficult math. Not impossible but near impossible with WI and IA looking more solid for Obama. Plus, CO, NH and VA are all competitive for Obama. Romney should be ahead in those states instead of near ties.

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