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Related: About this forumIs Hillary Clinton Dishonest?
Is Hillary Clinton Dishonest?by Nicholas Kristof at the NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/opinion/sunday/is-hillary-clinton-dishonest.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1
"SNIP............
One basic test of a politicians honesty is whether that person tells the truth when on the campaign trail, and by that standard Clinton does well. PolitiFact, the Pulitzer Prize-winning fact-checking site, calculates that of the Clinton statements it has examined, 50 percent are either true or mostly true.
That compares to 49 percent for Bernie Sanderss, 9 percent for Trumps, 22 percent for Ted Cruzs and 52 percent for John Kasichs. Here we have a rare metric of integrity among candidates, and it suggests that contrary to popular impressions, Clinton is relatively honest by politician standards.
Its true, of course, that Clinton is calculating all politicians are, but she more than some. She has adjusted her positions on trade and the minimum wage to scrounge for votes, just as Sanders adjusted his position on guns.
Sanderss positions seem less focus-group tested than Clintons, and she can be infuriatingly evasive. Partly thats because shes more hawkish than some Democrats, and partly thats because she realizes shes likely to face general election voters in November and is preserving wiggle room so she can veer back to the center then.
Does that make her scheming and unprincipled? Perhaps, but synonyms might be pragmatic and electable. Thats what presidential candidates do.
............SNIP"
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Is Hillary Clinton Dishonest? (Original Post)
applegrove
Apr 2016
OP
The Clinton Times that has been caught changing articles to negative articles about Bernie
Skwmom
Apr 2016
#3
Is Nicholas Kristof part of Brock's million-$ army? Of course the answer to his question is YES!
JonLeibowitz
Apr 2016
#4
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)1. Yes. Most, if not all, politicians are. (nt)
840high
(17,196 posts)12. She has been and still
is much more dishonest than any politician in my voting life.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)2. When she's dishonest she's full tilt over the moon dishonest:
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)3. The Clinton Times that has been caught changing articles to negative articles about Bernie
Yeah, their opinion is really valid
That article is one hell of a whopper.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)4. Is Nicholas Kristof part of Brock's million-$ army? Of course the answer to his question is YES!
Response to JonLeibowitz (Reply #4)
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LAS14
(13,783 posts)5. Let's hear it for someone who...
... calculates to get into a position where she can continue to fight for working people and the disenfranchised!
Response to LAS14 (Reply #5)
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speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)6. 1. She's not a natural politician..
2. She seems respected behind the scenes.
3. I think she could help herself a lot by just once conspicuously elevating principle over expediency and taking an unpopular stance about something she believes.
Response to speaktruthtopower (Reply #6)
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Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)10. Is a pig's ass pork?
bbgrunt
(5,281 posts)11. LOL!