Clinton supporters...be prepared to make your best case at convention!

[silvershadow]

Sanders says Clinton’s platform could determine how much he would campaign for her

Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Bernie Sanders said in an interview broadcast Friday that he would wait to see what Hillary Clinton includes in her platform before deciding how actively to campaign for her in the fall if she is the party’s nominee.

The senator from Vermont, who has vowed to stay in the race until the Democratic convention, was asked by Andrea Mitchell on MSNBC whether he would try to persuade his young supporters to back Clinton in the same fashion that she supported President Obama after losing the nomination to him in 2008.

“Well, first of all, I’ve got to find out what her platform is, what the views are that she is going to be bringing forth, to what degree she will adopt many of the ideas that I think are extremely popular and I think very sensible,” Sanders told Mitchell.

He described the process as “a two-way street.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-says-clintons-platform-could-determine-how-much-he-would-campaign-for-her/2016/04/22/6ac1f1ee-08a3-11e6-bdcb-0133da18418d_story.html?

[ridgenvalley]

2. Bernie is far more trusting than i am.

HRC will include in her convention platform whatever will gain her the crown with the least fuss.
She'll ditch whatever points she wants once the coronation has taken place.

I hate to say it, but Bernie seems a little naive on this. There is no "two-way street".

[Buddyblazon]

3. Absolutely...

With the way her stances changes for opportunistic reasons, I don't know how anybody believe she's not just going to do what she wants once she gets in and totally ditch any rhetoric she used to garner Bernie supporters votes.

[72DejaVu]

6. Have you ever seen a candidate adhere to the platform?

I haven't. But, as with most things, Hillary is held to a different standard.

[Buddyblazon]

10. I watched Obama, for the most part,

try to do what he promised. I want my candidate to try.

I do not, for one second, believe that Hillary will even try. Why? Because she's already on record saying we cant do these things. And I do believe she's correct when she says she can't do those things...as are most people that constantly tell you they can't do something.

[72DejaVu]

14. The candidates promises and the party's platform are not the same thing.

There's a lot more to the party than just the president. In fact, I'd say that folks running for Congress pay a lot more attention to what the platform says than any presidential nominee ever does.

[MFM008]

27. oh PLEASE

See many of Sanders supporters wont listen to him either.
Everyone has their own agenda. Clinton will run an administration very similar to Obamas,
you want radical craziness, upheaval and destruction of the country and the environment
TRUMP is your guy. Quit pretending your democrats.

[Buddyblazon]

46. I've been a democrat since 2nd grade...

when I cast my elementary school vote for Carter. I voted for Clinton twice...Gore once...Kerry once...Obama twice...and have been here at DU six years longer than you.

I can assure you...I'm a democrat. To be precise...I'm a liberal democrat.

You on the other hand...you sure you aren't a fan of the DLC? Third Way Democrats? Neo-Liberals? Well...then I would point out that you are perhaps closer to a traditional republican.

[Jester Messiah]

58. Right?

Who the hell are these pod people trying not only to pass as Democrats, but tell liberals that they aren't?

[ridgenvalley]

12. I admire your candor.

Platforms are just meaningless talking points to garner votes.

I will, however , accept and support a candidate who actually has the guts and courage to TRY to achieve the goals espoused in his or her platform.

And there lies the difference, imo, between my candidate and yours.

[72DejaVu]

15. The platform is a statement of principles and goals

It's not a contract.

I respect your position, but you might want to give it some thought. It's entirely possible that if Bernie were to flip enough super delegates to win the nomination, the convention might nonetheless adopt a platform that contained significant planks with which Bernie disagreed. Surely, you wouldn't want him to be bound to them.

[ridgenvalley]

16. I'm 60. I've given it plenty of thought.

I want a fighter. Not a repuke in Dem clothing. But I appreciate your kind, and civil response! I respect your point of view, too.

PS I'm not calling HRC a repuke, exactly. She's not nearly that bad!

[Buddyblazon]

47. Boom!

.

[Jester Messiah]

59. Which according to you means nothing.

So if principles and goals are to be immediately abandoned, why don't we just all do a gut-check and go with the candidate we trust to represent us better?

[silvershadow]

25. She wrote the TPP and ushered it through. I cannot vote for the Corporate State. nt

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[Cal33]

118. Some have tried but have not succeeded because of the powerful opposition. Would you

consider these as having adhered to what they have said when they were candidates?

"The Most Powerful Man in the world" is hyped-up B.S. by the press people. The president
of the U.S. just isn't the most powerful person in the world. Thee are so many people s/he
will have to satisfy. Our 3 branches of government were purposefully built in to make sure
that no one person could become too powerful.

[silvershadow]

7. Bernie is laying down the gauntlet to put up or shut up. She can't put up with any

credibility. He might yet win this before convention. This idea that he is anything BUT the actual front runner is indicative of a completely failed, broken system...which, ironically, is EXACTLY what he is running against and is the entire centerpiece of his platform.

[Demsrule86]

35. He is not the front runner

because people voted for someone else. Very simple...you love him and think everyone else does...they don't. I liked him at one point enough to vote for him in Ohio which Has an open primary by the way...but now I can't stand him. He is helping the GOP and so are you.

[Buddyblazon]

48. Helping the GOP?

We're helping lost Democrats to remember what Democrats stand for. There are too many lost Dems. Just helping y'all find the path again.

[Jester Messiah]

60. He does, however, have enough support that if it is withheld, the frontrunner won't win.

So think really carefully before you start dictating how things are gonna be.

[Ferd Berfel]

8. agree with your assessment

talk is cheap and triangulation is easy.

[FarPoint]

26. Has Bernie ever attended/ participated in a DNC National Convention... Ever?

So, now he wants full attention? Hmmmmm...interesting.....

[ridgenvalley]

29. Has the DNC ever listened to its progressive wing

without sneering, scoffing, or laughing?
And now they expect our undivided loyalty?

Hmmm.....Interesting.....

[FarPoint]

33. Can you answer the question?

A simple yes or no would satisfy...Had Bernie ever attended and/ or participated in a National DNC Convention? Ever?

[ridgenvalley]

38. That's an easy one.

Don't know. Don't care.
For a Party that's in a death spiral, you're pretty picky with the p's & q's.

[FarPoint]

85. No, he will be looking for the door.

Superdelegates will seal the deal...Hillary already has a strong lead and the superdelegates will validate the overwhelming win by Hillary. They won't support someone like Sander who is hijacking the Party for selfish gains. Sanders treatment of the Democratic Party and notably, Hillary is distasteful.

[72DejaVu]

4. I think there are a lot of people who don't know how the convention works...

There is no "Hillary" platform. The platform is written by the platform committee and can be amended by the delegates.

I know it's hard for some people to believe, but there are lots of Hillary supporters, including national delegates, who agree with Bernie on nearly every issue, but have other reasons to think Hillary is a better candidate.

This convention is going to adopt the most liberal platform since 1972. If that's not good enough for Bernie and his supporters, oh well.

[silvershadow]

9. Whistling past the graveyard. Why should she represent his views as her own instead of him

being the actual nominee? Ludicrous.

[72DejaVu]

13. I'm not following that

Perhaps you could rephrase, because it doesn't track for me.

But, the platform isn't written by the nominee's campaign.

[silvershadow]

21. If the platform doesn't look like his, guess who doesn't get the votes? nt

[Stuckinthebush]

43. It is quite funny

People really don't seem to understand the Democratic convention rules. Or the party, for that matter.

[griffi94]

5. This is great

Bernie should get to have some influence on Hillarys platform.

[JoePhilly]

11. Umm ... Bernie is making a reasoned pivot.

He's going to support Hillary.

He's preparing you for it.

[silvershadow]

19. I understand why...and then, like I said, be prepared to make your best case to ME at the

convention. Be prepared for her to shift, far, far to the left, or she won't get my vote.

[brush]

57. It's ok. No one is holding their breath for your vote. Do with it what you will

[TheBlackAdder]

66. This is the best case that might be made.

.





.

[JSup]

17. As a Hillary supporter...

...I in no way would expect Bernie to campaign for things he didn't support; that's not something I would even ask of someone.

[silvershadow]

22. His endorsement or lack thereof (or anywhere in between) carries *enormous weight.

So far have we slid off the rails as a party, that, even with his full-throated endorsement it is unlikely I can vote for her. I suspect huge numbers won't either. His endorsement will only bring a fraction of his voters along.

[Demsrule86]

32. I don't care who you vote for.

Vote for my yellow dog if you like. Soon this primary will be called and then these sort of divisive posts will end and you will either knock it off or move on to WND.

[Gothmog]

18. This thread is convincing me to try to be national delegate for Clinton

There will be a great deal of work to be done at the convention.

[silvershadow]

20. It will, in fact, be an enormous lift to fly in the face of the evidence before you. nt

[Gothmog]

23. You got to be kidding

What evidence? Are you going to use worthless match up polls based on the fact that Sanders has not been vetted to try to change my mind? Given the silliness of these polls that would be fun. http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511819263 The bernie bros are failing to convert delegates because their 'so-called" facts are not as strong as they think these facts are.

[silvershadow]

24. So you're really voting for the Corporate State? nt

[Gothmog]

50. I am a member of the Democratic party

I have not been impressed by Sanders and his proposals.

[silvershadow]

52. But are you actually going to pull the trigger on Democracy? That's what I meant?nt

[Gothmog]

121. Insulting voters is a good way to win support

The bernie bro method of winning voters by insulting them seems to be working so well

[silvershadow]

122. That's not an insult, that's exactly where we are at. nt

[Demsrule86]

28. We don't have to say anything

First vote ...Hillary is the nominee ...done. But Bernie will be out before ...he knows he would lose every ounce of power he won during this campaign if he is not...He will get out next week...maybe before...going to be a humiliating week for him.

[Stuckinthebush]

44. No doubt

They hang on to the fiction that supers don't count.

It won't matter because Bernard will suspend before then. Heads will explode here

[seabeyond]

30. I do not want Sanders to campaign for Clinton, I do not trust Sanders to campaign for Clinton.

An endorsement, then go away.

[grossproffit]

37. Me either. I used to like him too.

[silvershadow]

40. He will win this thing yet. It is FAR from over. nt

[seabeyond]

41. His ass has been well kicked. Winner and a Loser.

[silvershadow]

42. He might. But with Hillary it is guaranteed. Besides, she is for The Corporate State and TPP.

I can't go there.

[NCTraveler]

31. I don't think you get it.

We are guaranteed to get all we want from Sanders. His endorsement at the convention. After that he is insignificant and it's all on us. I don't get this whole bow down to the man mentality.

[B Calm]

34. The longer Bernie stays in the race, the more left Hillary has to run. What

is so bad about that?

[NCTraveler]

36. I haven't said he should drop out...

And didn't in my post here.

[Tarc]

39. It's good to see Bernie beginning the conversation at least

The "Acceptance" stage.

[brooklynite]

45. I thought we were still stuck at "bargaining"

[RATM435]

49. Make your best case hillary i'm ready for the bullshit.

[RandySF]

51. Benie will support Hillary. Period.

His future in the Senate will depend on it.

[silvershadow]

53. Hope you all have a back up plan when the votes don't come in November. nt

[RandySF]

54. They will

DU does not reflect Bernie's supporters ay-large.

[silvershadow]

55. So we are abandoned the new deal then for the Corporate State? nt

[lumberjack_jeff]

103. Don't project your own motives and biases.

Sanders isn't there for himself, a paycheck or in preparation for a slick lobbyist gig.

Neither Clinton, her campaign nor her supporters understand what drives Sanders or his supporters. For if they were to confront that reality, they'd recoil in horror at what they themselves have become.

[deathrind]

56. His endorsement...

Would be a nice to have item for HRC but not needed. His supporters emails address list is another thing altogether...this is something she will need if she is the nominee. At some point she is going to have to define and commit to specific policy positions.

[silvershadow]

61. She already has them, remember the Debbiegate story? She's been mailing me postal

mail and emails ever since.

[deathrind]

64. That's right.

Forgot about that, I stand corrected.

Thank you 🍻

[Lil Missy]

62. the loser doesn't get to set the terms. n/t

[silvershadow]

63. She's really trying hard to get my vote isn't she? nt

[all american girl]

65. I'm thinking her best case is that she won more votes, which means more delegates

as it stands now, she will win, because no one has be able to show how he can get beat her in delegates before the convention.

[silvershadow]

67. You misunderstood my post. I am telling you to be prepared to make your case at convention

for MY vote. As it stands, there is no case you could make.

[all american girl]

68. Doesn't the DNC make the platform?

[silvershadow]

69. They sure do. I'm sounding the alarm to them to plan wisely for the sake of our party. nt

[all american girl]

70. So what would you like in the platform

Sorry if this was answered in the OP...yes, I'm being lazy and not looking at the original OP

I really would love to know. Thank you

[silvershadow]

71. We can discuss it later. I still expect Bernie to be the nominee as she has no case for it. nt

[all american girl]

72. He does have a lot of delegates he has to make up for...

do you see a path? and yes, I'm asking honestly, it's not snark. thanks, again

[silvershadow]

73. The party insiders already know in the pit of their stomach that she can't expect

to claim nomination while under serious investigation. They will never allow the party to commit suicide. If they do, I won't be a part of it.

[all american girl]

74. So you don't think it's "suicide" to over turn all the voters?

I just don't think the people who have voted for her, in far more numbers, will sit back and let him take the nomination.

[silvershadow]

76. Are you writing a book, dear? Please. I'm going to have to put you on full ignore now.

[all american girl]

77. Why?

I thought we were having a conversation? That"s strange.

[stonecutter357]

83. test!

[Beacool]

75. I don't recall Hillary making these kinds of demands from Obama in 2008.

Then again, she's a Democrat, not an opportunist who only became one to use the party's resources in his quest for the presidency.

[silvershadow]

80. I don't recall being even remotely interested in what she was selling back then, either. nt

[Beacool]

88. Well, I'm not remotely interest in Sanders' demands.

He can either campaign for the Democratic nominee, like Hillary did for Obama, or he can go back to the Senate and stay out of the way.

His choice.

[silvershadow]

94. You mean the electorates demands? nt

[SFnomad]

97. So in 2008 it wasn't the electorates demands, but now in 2016 it is? BS cheerleader hypocrisy

In 2008, Clinton was far closer to Obama than BS is to Secretary Clinton.

[silvershadow]

99. I didn't say a thing about 2008, it's just something you asserted.

[SFnomad]

101. And now you just all out lie

Beacool: I don't recall Hillary making these kinds of demands from Obama in 2008.

You: I don't recall being even remotely interested in what she was selling back then, either. nt

That's not something I just asserted, it's a statement you made.

[silvershadow]

102. No you are conflating. I said I wasn't remotely interested in what she was selling back then.

Just like I am not now. Get hold of yourself.

[SFnomad]

104. LOL ... you were the one conflating them originally

Beacool: Well, I'm not remotely interest in Sanders' demands.

You: You mean the electorates demands? nt

When you're in a hole, you're supposed to stop digging.

[senz]

81. Bernie entered the race to launch a political revolution. He CARES about the issues.

He always has, and always will.

I know, as a Hillary supporter, this is not something that would make any sense to you.

But it does to us.

[uponit7771]

86. He doesn't care about the issus when he claims "we'll see" about helping down ballot dems....

... he's full of shit.

[Beacool]

91. He's full of himself.

How has he helped the down ticket candidates? Doesn't he care that a Democratic president would need Democrats in Congress to pass their agenda?

[uponit7771]

92. Today on MTP he blamed poor people for not voting, Clinton never blamed the people for

... not voting for her or not voting at all.

[Beacool]

93. Yes, we know what Sanders thinks of the South and its poor people.

I guess that he's annoyed that he can't win the nomination only with the support of the very young, white liberals and Independents. Actual Democrats have voted in larger numbers for Hillary than for him.

[Beacool]

90. Typical dismissive and insulting behavior from one of his supporters.

Yeah, he's the only one who cares about the issues. Please........

[lumberjack_jeff]

105. See... that's the thing. Clinton and Sanders have different motivations.

Clinton was satisfied to be appointed SoS. This fulfilled her motivation for personal self-interest. Policy? Platform? Can't buy superdelegates with improved public policy.

[Beacool]

119. Nonsense.

It took a lot of convincing to get Hillary to accept the post of SOS. Various people (including Hillary herself, Obama and Biden) have said that she refused the post more than once.

If Sanders cares about Democrats winning the GE he will support the Democratic nominee. Then again, I'm not holding my breath. He wasn't even a Democrat until he decided to use their resources and joined the party to run for president.

[ncovington89]

79. There are ways Sanders Could get the Superdelegates!

He's brought enormous enthusiasm, he has the youth vote (the future of the Democratic Party), has better favorability ratings, more support among independents, and is *not* the subject of an ongoing FBI investigation. Now is not the time to give up.

[senz]

82. The ONLY case they have is: "Republicans are worse." That is ALL they have.

And we've been hearing it here on DU, in various forms, for months on end.

In its content, it has overtones of blackmail and/or threat, e.g., "if you don't vote for Hill we'll lose the SCOTUS." Or, "if you don't vote for Hill, we'll lose the right to abortion."

Of course, Hill, should she get into the WH, would appoint Wall Street friendly justices, and we already know that she is open to bargaining away our abortion rights.

[silvershadow]

95. Which is probably why the Republicans are stalling on SCOTUS.

[senz]

98. With Hillary, they've got all their bases covered.

Just ask the Koch brothers.

[silvershadow]

100. I didn't say that. Where did you get that from?

[senz]

107. It was all over this forum late last night. Here's a link --

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/charles-koch-hillary-clinton-republican-white-house-222349#ixzz46hf9PmuV

[silvershadow]

108. Oh, a different thread. Try to stay on topic. nt

[senz]

109. Not true. Perhaps you didn't understand my response.

But I can't believe how you're talking to me. I thought we were on the same side and on good terms.

[silvershadow]

110. We are. I thought so too. Perhaps not. I just woke up. I'm still not even fully awake. :) nt

[senz]

113. Wake up grouchy, eh?

I should try that. On very bad days I can wake up sad or scared but it dissipates pretty quickly with sunlight, trees, birds singing, pets, coffee.

Might be fun to wake up grouchy someday.

Hope the day is good for you, silvershadow.

[silvershadow]

114. This primary can't end soon enough for me. My future depends on the outcome.

[senz]

115. That sounds kind of dire.

I doubt that I'll be personally affected but I care about the country I live in, the people around me, the world of people, the world of animals and plants, the environment, and what happens to it all.

This election could make the difference. That's why I'm backing Bernie and other progressives.

[silvershadow]

116. I cannot support the cementing of The Corporate State. I hope it doesn't come down

to that. I can't be shamed into voting.

[senz]

117. The TPP represent a big step into cementing.

We can still fight it.

[seekthetruth]

87. Oh wow I'm not blocked from commenting.....

Cool. I can voice an opinion.

One of the Koch's just mentioned Hillary would make a better president than any of the Republicans currently running. Lovely. Makes me want to support her even more now.......

[brooklynite]

89. Given the vote count, I'd say the case has already been made

[silvershadow]

96. Well after what happened in NY, and virtually ever other state, I'd say it hasn't been made

at all with any accuracy.

[NewImproved Deal]

106. It all comes back to "It's her turn!" ...

...for the Former First Lady.

[RandySF]

111. Make your best case why

We'll need to carry along people who called Hillary every name in the book, trashed her husband with old right wing attacks, stalked delegates and cyber-stalked reporters who published unfavorable articles? The percentage of dead-Enders will dwindle to almost nothing by the Fall. So, it's up to YOU to decide what you're going to do.

[silvershadow]

112. So she will have actual people along, not just corporate "persons".

[SaschaHM]

120. The Best case is going to be...

You caucus with the Senate democrats and democratic leadership determines your committee assignments. Bernie can do a hell of a lot more as the budget committee chairman, which he stands to gain provided he doesn't piss off Senate democrats too much, than he can as a bitter also-ran.

[silvershadow]

123. As stated upthread, I as talking about keeping me in the party going forward from

that moment when you pull the trigger. But you knew that.