Bernie supporters make like the Republican/Tea Partiers don't exist.

[boston bean]

Come on get on with reality.

Hillary supporters aren't the party of no. The Republican/Tear Partiers are. Wish they would fuckin stop with the false, lame innuendo!

[hollysmom]

1. really you are going to attack the supporters on this board of making up the party of no

do you need a list of ho0w many times Clinton said it can't be done. I thought the phrase was "no we can't" not the "party of no."

got to keep your phrases current.

[boston bean]

2. yeah, I dare! nt

[hollysmom]

3. you can dare as much as you want, but you are still pushing the wrong phrase.

[boston bean]

4. I don't think so.

[JimDandy]

52. Clinton: the No We Can't candidate.

That is her legacy. Own it...she does.

[Jester Messiah]

40. Because that's like pointing out

That the Earth is flat. It's a mistake at best, a lie at worst.

[riderinthestorm]

75. Prilosopo78. Member since April 20, 2016

Hope Brock has a sliding scale on how much he's paying newbies.

You're going to have to do a lot better than that. Hint: if you make assertions you're going to have to provide proof.

[Warren DeMontague]

79. I THINK THESE WINDOW SCREENS HAVE HOLES IN THEM, RALPH!

[Warren DeMontague]

84. "Vanished by your fellow zealots Bernie fanatics" - please, elaborate.

Are you saying you were banned under a different name?

[Jester Messiah]

86. That's some tasty copy pasta.

Straight from a provided script no doubt.

[Jester Messiah]

88. Check your mailbox.

Should've received a copy after orientation.

[Warren DeMontague]

80. Try decaf.

[Logical]

5. Another really really silly post. nt

[asuhornets]

23. I guess all pro-Hillary posts are silly, according to you...eom

[Hortensis]

73. The OP makes a good and important point.

Our democratic primary, that effectively offered us 3 candidates of mostly very similar ideology and goals, is only the warm-up. The real election contest that will profoundly affect our future and that of our nation is still ahead.

[Armstead]

93. Not similar ideology

Similar on some issues, yes.

But Clinton's distortions created differences in the areas where they ultimately closest (social issues, race and guns) while pretending to be similar on issues with greatest differences on economic distribution, political concentration of power, healthcare....and the viability of a truly liberal (yes liberal NOT conservative neo-liberal) and progressive populist agenda.

[Hortensis]

97. Small, small, small, Armstead. IMO, BSers are mired

in negativism and have been distracted from achievement of goals to a pathetic indulgence of opposition. Marinating up to their eyebrows in a slough of it. I say, climb the hell out, shower this unhealthy anti-Hillary obsession away with intelligent reading, stop mining the web for insults and arcane terms to throw at people who don't follow Bernie, and return to focusing on what you really care about.

Then come talk to me about true liberalism. I am one of many millions of true liberals, and believe me, we know it when we see it.

[Armstead]

98. Big, big, big....

Well not me personally, I'm a skinny guy. But I AM looking at the Big Picture. And in my objective opinion, if you follow the news below the soundbites, we need a major change from the mentality that ignores those issues that Sanders is talking about and resonating with people about..

If Sanders had not gotten into the campaign, the entire election would be about which party is better or worse, Democrats or Republicans. No admission that wealth and power keep getting more and more concentrated due to systemic greed and corruption. No discussion of things like TPP and free trade...etc.

Won't go into all of it here. But the system is broken and is no longer working for the majority of Americans. And a major reason is the fact that Democratic politicians too often identify with Big Money and Big Power....Alas Clinton epitomizes what is wrong on the executive and Congressional levels.

Two little examples of why efforts on behalf of the public get scuttled for the same of corporate profits, with the active assistance from Democrats. (Not all, but.....)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1812980

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511812440

[Hortensis]

99. You cannot talk issues without running them through a

Bernie versus Hillary and evil "neo-liberals" filter. Neo-liberal is the orientation that became modern conservatism, which is what I mean about ditching that hostile jargon picked up from anti-Democrat propaganda. The notion that the typical Democrat is conservative is such an incredible exercise in dishonesty that one might as well try to discuss Democrats or liberalism with Pat Robertson.

If you're looking at the big picture, then you know that the battle is between those who believe in equality and government of, by and for the people via the democratic republic our forefathers established and those who believe in a natural inequality and a socioeconomic hierarchy based on wealth.

[Armstead]

100. Bernie and Clinton are symbols

We all -- me included -- use shorthand. But specific examples abound. I gave you a couple.

It is a corrupt culture, especially in DC. Far beyond the normal levels of corruption expected in any system. It is systemic -- but can be improved if there is a will, instead of smashing Sanders and the people who support him with broad brushed like "purist" and "negative."

[think]

6. Hillary Clinton: Single-payer health care will "never, ever" happen

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-clinton-single-payer-health-care-will-never-ever-happen/



As far as Hillary being the NO We Can't campaign even Joe Biden said as much:

Clinton, a former Obama administration official, has criticized Sanders on the trail for his bold proposals, suggesting that his policies aren’t pragmatic.

“I don’t think any Democrat’s ever won saying, ‘We can’t think that big — we ought to really downsize here because it’s not realistic,’” Biden said. “C’mon man, this is the Democratic Party! I’m not part of the party that says, ‘Well, we can’t do it.’”

Source:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/joe-biden-clinton-criticism-bernie-sanders-222264

Hillary got $225K to speak from The Council of Insurance Agents & Brokers. It's the association that's attacking single payer in Colorado.

I wonder what she said....

Health Care Industry Moves Swiftly to Stop Colorado’s “Single Payer” Ballot Measure

By Lee Fang

Apr. 22 2016, 10:37 a.m.

The campaign in Colorado to create the nation’s first state-based “single payer” health insurance system, providing universal coverage and replacing insurance premiums with higher taxes, has barely begun.

But business interests in Colorado are not taking anything for granted, and many of the largest lobbying groups around the country and in the state are raising funds to defeat Amendment 69, the single-payer ballot question going before voters this November.

The Council of Insurance Agents & Brokers, a national trade group, is mobilizing its member companies to defeat single payer in Colorado. “The council urges Coloradans to protect employer-provided insurance and oppose Proposition 69,” the CIAB warns. The group dispatched Steptoe & Johnson, a lobbying firm it retains, to analyze the bill...

Read more:
https://theintercept.com/2016/04/22/colorad-single-payer/

Council of Insurance Agents & Brokers. 2014 Money spent on lobbying $1,083,180. Speaking fee for Clinton $225,500

Source:
http://time.com/3889577/hillary-clinton-paid-speeches-lobbyists-influence/

There are more health care industry companies that paid big bucks for Clinton to speak to them at the link in addition to this association that is attacking single payer in Colorado.


Special thanks to DUer Amborin for making this connection known:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1817230

[COLGATE4]

7. More innuendo. More guilt by association. Proof of anything: Zero.

[boston bean]

8. so true. make it seem like it's a direct quote, when it is not. nt

[COLGATE4]

9. That's their favorite ploy. Really worthy of Free Republic.

[think]

11. Can you see the quotation marks in the post? CBS NEWS wrote the headline. Sorry CBS News isn't

a good enough source for you.

[boston bean]

12. I saw the colon you used to make a false point.

LOL

[think]

13. It's verbatum from CBS News. Take it up with them.

[boston bean]

15. yes, I will take it up with them, and you for trying to make it seem like a direct quote.

[think]

24. " a theoretical debate about some better idea that will never, ever come to pass."

There's your direct quote from the article.

CBS put quotation marks around the phrase she said and included the actual quote.

Hillary said single payer isn't happening.

You can play parse the words all day long but the facts are staring you right in the face.

[boston bean]

35. It won't and we have obamacare. So, what you gonna do.

Again, you folks make it seem like it's just Hillary preventing it.

Get a grip.

[think]

47. I'm going to support the person who wants single payer & isn't taking $225k from the group fighting

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it.

Ignore the facts all you want. The rest of will fight for health care insurance for the tens of millions that still aren't covered.

We can see Canada's got single payer and it's been working for decades.

Perhaps it's you that might check their grip....

[boston bean]

48. You think Hillary doesn't know this and is working a plan to get more covered.

You folks don't have a clue about how medicare or medicaid came to pass.

Go ahead, keep on thinking it's Hillary and democrats who are your enemy. You'll learn soon enough.

[think]

50. Single payer covers EVERYONE. The ACA is a great improvement but all one has to do is look

at the statistical data to understand it's not as good as single payer.

We still have tens of millions not covered. The rest of modern world gets it.

[Warren DeMontague]

59. And who do you think is -your- enemy?

"building alliances", are we?

[Bluenorthwest]

70. Who the fuck is 'you folks' and who put you on a platform to preach at them?

The officious self importance of the Reagan Democrat on full and blatant display.

[dchill]

102. +1

Hillary was talking about Sanders' single-payer plan when she said "never, ever..." Boston bean was talking about the same thing when he/she said, "It won't." I think the quotes are direct enough, don't you? Together, they are proudly saying, "No, we can't."

[think]

10. Did Hillary speak to an association that's fighting single payer or not? Those are facts.

We do know she got paid $225K to speak to the same group that is fighting single payer.

Hillary said single payer isn't happening.

Those two things happened. Make of it what you will.

[boston bean]

16. So, you got some proof donations have ever influence HRC?

Please provide if you do.

[think]

41. Proof of what? A crime? Soft corruption is perfectly legal.

Is it impossible to observe a candidate's policies, statements, and actions that line up well with corporations, associations and banks that paid her millions in speaking fees?

She doesn't have to do anything more than that for most people to see a long pattern of these things lining up.


Hillary gives speeches to an insurance association for $225k and to many other health care industry companies. She then says single payer won't happen.

Hillary give speeches to at least 7 TBTF Wall Street banks. She openly opposes a new Glass Steagall legislation to break these banks up.

Hillary intervenes for UBS bank as SoS and Bill gets a speaking engagement for $1.5 milion with UBS bank.


Some of us have our eyes open....


You can play "give me proof" and "parse the words" for your shear enjoyment.

Many though can already can see the pattern. They get it. She's very friendly to those entities that give tons of money.

Soft corruption may be legal and very easy to get away with but that makes it no less insidious.

“It’s the corruption, stupid”: Hillary’s too compromised to see what Donald Trump understands

By Bill Curry - TUESDAY, FEB 23, 2016 05:00 AM CST

The key 2016 issue is outrage over a rigged system by special interests. There's a reason Hillary doesn't get it

In 1992, James Carville, Bill Clinton’s senior campaign strategist, scribbled a terse memo containing three instructions. Two are long forgotten. The third may live forever. “It’s the economy, stupid” became a meme because it nailed the issue that drove that election. One overarching issue drives this election, but neither Hillary Clinton’s campaign nor the Democratic Party got the memo. Any swing voter could tell them what it says: It’s the corruption, stupid.


~Snip~

Poorly written and atrociously reasoned, Citizens United rests on three simple, absurd precepts: Money is speech; corporations are people; and corruption is OK so long as it is sanctioned. OK, the third one isn’t so simple, but it sure is absurd. It pertains to what Justice Kennedy, the opinion’s author, calls “soft” corruption, by which he means the entire system: big donors, lobbyists, lush retreats, revolving doors, exorbitant speaking fees. The whole shebang.

Kennedy says that unlike “hard” corruption (bribery, mainly), “soft” corruption harms and offends no one, so Congress can’t regulate it. The issue hadn’t come up at trial, so there was nothing about it in pleadings. There’s tons of data about how evil it is and how much we hate it, but Kennedy ignored it. He offered no proof to support his “finding.” He just said it was so and now it’s the law.

~Snip~

Clinton calls it an “artful smear” to suggest that she, Obama or any Democrat is influenced by the money they say corrupts every Republican. Her anger is partly a pose. But any card-carrying member of the establishment will take any suggestion that the system is compromised as a personal insult. This is true of elite reporters as well as politicians.

The Times’ David Brooks recently praised Obama’s “superior integrity,” calling his years in office “remarkably scandal free.” It’s all true, but recall Anthony Kennedy’s clueless distinction between hard and soft corruption. He said soft corruption was better but it’s worse really. Soft corruption is systemic corruption; a cancer on the body politic. We kill it or it kills us, and sooner than you may think.

Asked about her Goldman Sachs speaking fees, Hillary offered two rationales. One was the perennial favorite “everyone does it.” The other was equally flippant. (“That’s what they offered.”) Since leaving the White House she and Bill have hauled in $153 million in speaking fees. Her deepest flaw is she doesn’t know it’s wrong. As I’ve written twice here and said often elsewhere, I’ve great respect for her. Her flaw is denial, not dishonesty — but her denial runs deep....

Read more:
http://www.salon.com/2016/02/23/its_the_corruption_stupid_hillarys_too_compromised_to_see_what_donald_trump_understands/

[boston bean]

44. proof she is corrupted by any donation. quid pro quo. You got anything?

[Gwhittey]

94. Seriously it has been posted 100s time now

Go read a bit on Credit Bankruptcy bill that as First Lady Hillary actively went against and got influenced her husband to veto it. Then she runs for Senate and the banks that wanted this bill passed gave a ton money to her campaign. She now voted yes on that bill.http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/us/politics/the-vote-for-bankruptcy-reform-that-haunts-hillary-clinton.html

That is just one example. Other can provide ones from the time she was SoS and how she brokered questionable deals with foreign powers after they "donated" to Clinton slush fund.

[boston bean]

95. me thinks you need to do a tad bit more research.

[sus453]

74. Look at it this way, Boston Bean . . .

If you were in court with a lawsuit against . . . let's say Goldman Sachs. How would you feel if the judge was getting paid a quarter of a million dollars for a speech. Do you think he's be unbiased for your court case? Do you think your lawyer would have cause for complaint?

[COLGATE4]

18. Coincidence does not equal causality. I prefer

some facts, which up to now seem to be totally lacking.

[reformist2]

14. Innuendo? She told us point blank to stop hoping for it, because it will never, ever happen.

[boston bean]

17. link, please.

[sus453]

26. I believe she used those words in reference to Single Payer Health Care. "It will never ever happen"

Here's the link:

[boston bean]

29. She's was right about both. nt

[sus453]

45. You did ask for the link.

[bvar22]

69. What happened to all the crap the Corpo Dems were using to SELL the ACA?

You remember.
The ACA is a step toward single payer?
Remember that crap?

Some of the more enlightened members of DU pointed out that the ACA was NOT a step toward Single Payer,
and that there will be no "fixing it later".
We also pointed out that we will be stuck with BUYING questionable Health Insurance from For Profit Corporations for a long, LONG time with few if any Price controls.
.
.
.
and NOW...here we are.
Hillary just said (paraphrase) Better get used to it, cause we ain't changing NOTHING.
Americans will just have to settle for FAR LESS than the rest of the civilized World takes for granted, because
[font size=3]NO. WE. CAN'T![/font]

Free Tuition for Higher Education at Public Universities?
The rest of the civilized World has had this for a long time (and we had it at one time),
but Hillary insists, [font size=3]NO. WE. CAN'T![/font]

Break up the "Too Big to Fail Banks"?
it has been done in the past, and there are viable plans today, but according to Hillary,
[font size=3]NO. WE. CAN'T![/font]

Despite the wails from the OP and partisans in this thread, Hillary really IS the
[font size=3]NO. WE. CAN'T[/font] candidate.

[azurnoir]

27. Here ya go if you want more I can provide them 1/29/16 in Iowa

[sus453]

19. Hillary can indeed get things done, and she's the Democratic candidate of "yes" because . . .

Yes she will. She'll negotiate away everything a progressive holds dear - Social Security, trade protections; she'll approve the TPP, she'll get us into another war, she'll allow fracking (something she heavily promoted overseas as Secretary of State), she'll protect her friends in the banking industry - what's not to like?

[2pooped2pop]

25. too sad but that is exactly what is going to happen.

She will be the most hated president ever.

[JimDandy]

54. Am phonebanking for Bernie and working hard to stop such a fate from befalling the US. n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

55. A year in prison for flag burning.

"YES WE CAN!"

[2pooped2pop]

20. republicans are the party of no. Hillary is the party of me, me, me, money.

[KingFlorez]

21. What is worse is they think Sanders can win them

There is this odd misconception that Republicans like Sanders and would vote for him.

[azurnoir]

22. Here's reality on video she said it 1/29/16 in Iowa

[HooptieWagon]

28. Of course Republicans exist.

They even pretend to be Democrats, while favoring neoliberal economics and neoconservative foreign policy. Must vote against them.

[redstateblues]

30. I've been waiting for proof

Of quid pro quo of Hillary's supposed "corruption" for many months. Still waiting. Nothing but smears.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. "Bernie Supporters" are not a monolith, and we can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Some of us think that providing a clear alternative to the GOP- as opposed to having the public face of our party someone who has sheldon adelson on speed dial- is the best strategy for november.

[boston bean]

32. Then start doing so.

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Start doing what? Fighting against the GOP and the right? It's all some of us do.

[boston bean]

42. Really, that's all you do?

[Warren DeMontague]

46. It's a big part of it, yes.

And actually I live in a strong progressive area filled with people and politicians- like Sen. Jeff Merkley- who are on the front lines of pushing the dialog in this country forward, but you wouldn't know it because we're all shack-dwelling white supremacists or some shit.

Since you're apparently done with the "sanders supporters- screw em" OP you had going the other day, what precisely is it you want "us" to do?

[boston bean]

68. You put quotes. Provide a link.

[Warren DeMontague]

78. the gracious grammarian says, quotation marks may be used to paraphrase.

This was the OP in question, and the actual wording- just so we're clear, here- was "I wish I could have some compassion for Bernie supporters..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1785471

And further on down the thread, you informed me rather brusquely that "you might not care" whether Sanders supporters such as myself support the eventual nominee.

So which is it?

What I really think- not that I think you care- is that you don't give a flying hoobastank about building alliances or getting people to work against the republicans or any of the rest of it, you're just mad mad mad about... this, that, those, something or other, I'm sure there's a VERY long list...

and this is all just run of the mill score-settlin', axe-grindin', and grudge-matchin'.

And I suspect you know it is.

(I also don't think you really "wish you could have some compassion for Bernie supporters", do you now? )


Not what I consider politically productive, but, YMMV.

[boston bean]

81. you can consider it however you would like. However, I didn't state what you said I did.

I'm not going to waste time trying to convince people to vote for Hillary. Either they will or they won't. Either they are smart enough to realize that Hillary is 1 million times better than trump or cruz or they are not.. There is your accurate paraphrase.

[Warren DeMontague]

83. I agree with the second sentence, however, isnt your entire OP here trying to

Convince people ("come on get with reality&quot to do or not do something?

[Bread and Circus]

34. You guys have been saying "NO!!! That's just fantasy!!!" for 9 months, now you wanna disavow it?

Fuck that.

[boston bean]

36. No, but it's not fantasy because of Hillary.

You folks really need to understand how the world works and politics.

[Bread and Circus]

61. We understand full well how it works, for the most part it is crooked and sleazy, but sometimes...

the good guys win (aka the 2007-2008 Democratic Primary and two Presidential elections since). Sometimes gay marriage becomes law of the land (no thanks to Dems like Hillary Clinton declaring sacredness of marriage between man and woman only). Sometimes whites folks (like Bernie Sanders protesting during the 60's, chaining himself to the oppressed) stand shoulder to shoulder with blacks and people win their rights, sometimes states legalize marijuana, sometimes, women get the right to vote, sometimes a LOT of impossible things become reality because progressives and liberals don't give up, no thanks to people like Clinton who tell them to get to the back of the bus and shut up because of "what's not possible" and trying to bring liberals "to heel".

Nah, actually, I think we understand how the world works better than you.

[Jester Messiah]

37. Hillary is just a less potent dose

Of the same poison. No sale.

[Setsuna1972]

38. It's time

It's time for the Bernie I supporters to talk to Jesus . Especially this upcoming Tuesday night .

[Warren DeMontague]

43. "talk to Jesus"?

What a fucked up thing to say.

[Setsuna1972]

90. It would help them

Based on all of the hatred the Bernie supporters are expressing here and just losing their minds.

[Warren DeMontague]

91. And "Jesus" is some sorta vaccination against hate, eh?

Mmmm, not on this planet.

[Setsuna1972]

101. You're pretty angry

What's wrong with you and the hate you're showing ? Geez !

[Warren DeMontague]

103. Nope.

Try again!

[JimDandy]

67. Bernie supporters are talking to voters. The goal is 3 million calls before next Tuesday.

You best get talking to all the "Not Trump" Republicans and any Independents not already locked in to Sanders or Trump in order to dig up whatever votes you can for your "No We Can't" candidate.

[jack_krass]

49. personally, I dont consider you the party of "no"

I consider you the party of:
-Corruption
-Greed
-Corporatism
-Cronyism
-Imprisonment
-War

[HERVEPA]

51. Yeh, crap posts like this will really help convince Bernie supporters.

[JimDandy]

62. Bernie supporters are working hard to get him elected, so no need to convince us of anything else.

[Buns_of_Fire]

72. You mean you're not inspired by her message of hope for something better?

Oh, wait. My bad. That's been the message of just about every OTHER person who has ever run for President.

This is a unique message, brilliant in its simplicity:

I'm not even gonna TRY to do anything. So suck it up, peons.

Then, in four years, when all those unicorn-loving malcontents say "But you didn't try to do a damned thing as President," she can say "Absolutely right. I promised you I wasn't going to try to do a damned thing. So what's the problem?"

It's an absolutely flawless strategy. Almost as good as Pat Paulsen's promise:

"If elected, I will win."

[Doctor_J]

53. And hillarians act like working with them will result in something good

Of course you support a candidate who wants to raise the social security eligibility age, kill off the Palestinians, and prohibit third trimester abortions, so I guess tea bag nation would be OK for you. Some of us set our sights a little higher.

[SHRED]

56. Oh we know they exist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511819165

[Buddyblazon]

57. Well then...

Stop constantly telling American voters we can't do any of the things that are part of liberal beliefs.

You guys believe we can't do anything...other than just keep going down this middle path.

They are indeed "CANTers". But so is the Hillary campaign.

Why in the world would I vote for someone that constantly highlights what they can't do? Who would hire the person that just constantly said we can't do anything?

[JimDandy]

58. You're done with us, remember, so focus on Republicans only. And us, well, GO BERNIE!

[sus453]

65. Unfortunate. The thing I notice about Hillary supporters in DU is that

most won't engage in the issues. It's childish, almost like Donald Trump - when someone brings up a serious issue, the responses are somewhere along the lines of "Bernie's a loser" or, "We're winning - ha ha", which makes me think that these people don't really relate to issues well or maybe don't care about them. It's this whole thing about picking a winner. I'm not saying that all Bernie Sanders supporters are perfect - some of them get into the same name-calling thing, but on the whole. Bernie supporters are more willing to engage in the issues. Unfortunately it is rarely a two-way conversation.

[AgingAmerican]

63. Now they are just making stuff out of whole cloth

[Rebkeh]

64. You don't have to tell me. At. All.

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Where I live is mostly Trump supporters and some Ron Paul supporters

Three things:

1. I do not let fear take the wheel in my life. I just don't.

2. Hillary is the worst person to go head to head with republicans, in my opinion. I'd rather have somebody else opposite them. Anybody else. Not because I don't think she can "win," but because she seems to think "winning" means beating (punishing) them at their own game. It's like adding fuel to a fire - she would make it worse.

On edit: Or she will merge with them even more and further dissolve the differences between them. She has done this with the moneyed republicans, the base though, not so much. It's not any better, that choice.

3. Trump can be bought, if not, he can be controlled. His ego is huge and skin too thin, he's a fragile guy under all that bluster. If it isn't Trump, the republican base is going to destroy the GOP anyway because they will no longer fall in line.

I'm just not fearing it


It reminds me when everybody was freaking out about ebola or bird flu or whatever the scare of the week. Yes, ebola is serious, but keep your head level for God's sake. The sky is not falling. Hillary's people pushing fear is more than slightly ironic, actually. That's a republican tactic.

[malokvale77]

66. Bernie supporters know the most important thing necessary...

about Republican/Tea Partiers. They will be motivated en masse to say no to Hillary Clinton.

That is only one reason we are working so hard for him to be the Democratic nominee. We're fuckin smart like that.

[Bluenorthwest]

71. Here's Hillary making like the Republicans weren't the genocidal monsters of the AIDS era:

[B Calm]

76. The shitty Hillary campaign is what the DNC is ramming down our throats, that's REALITY!

[riderinthestorm]

77. Hillary's climate change proposals are too little, too late

In that sense she's going to destroy the environment (and us) in the same way climate change deniers would.

Their inaction is as destructive as her lack of real action (and in cases like fracking and endless wars which are toxic to the environment, they're exactly the same).

[randome]

96. Then maybe that's what the Sanders campaign should press for in the platform.

At least that's more specific than shouting "Income inequality!" or "Break up the banks!" and expecting everyone to know what is meant by that. And it's arguably more important, as well.
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[Vinca]

92. Hillary has the least amount of imagination of any candidate who has ever run.

If she didn't have Obama's coattails to latch onto, I don't know what her platform would be.