Wall Street is not the boogyman of the "deep south", its stupid ass'd cops.. being evicted

[uponit7771]

... schools ... immigration fairness etc.

I keep reading OPs touting Sanders is against the boogyman that the base of the DNC, for the most part, can't relate to



It's mostly wingerish sounding noise and ignores the most urgent fears of the DNC base



Why keep doing the same thing, different time and expecting different results.


Your take?

tia

[Meteor Man]

1. It's all one kitten kaboodle

Wall Street Crony Capitalism is at the root of all of those problems. We have some of the worst poverty in America on Skid Row and we have Eli Broad and Beverly Hills.

Everything is connected.

[uponit7771]

2. No they're not, again... that ignores the most urgent issues of the DNC base

[Meteor Man]

9. Most urgent issues for the DNC?

You mean like getting massive campaign contributions from Big Wig Financiers?

The DNC as in DWS and Rahm Emmanuel?

[BobSmith4152]

54. I do not wish to offend but it's kit and caboodle

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/kit-and-caboodle.html

Certainly a less common phrase than ihe awful "Fifteen Items or Less" signs I simply wished to mention this

[Meteor Man]

55. Thank-you!

I appreciate the clarification.

[BobSmith4152]

59. You are most welcome.

[grasswire]

3. who do you think makes money from the prison industry?

Note: Hillary takes money from private prison lobbyists.

Actually, this is a thoughtful post from you.

Please realize that the Prison Industrial Complex that does, in fact, make money off the misery of the Democratic base, is BIG CORPORATE business and has lobbyists and share holders.

[Aerows]

49. You made a good point

... and got no response from the OP.

[grasswire]

50. crickets, I tell ya!

Better than racoons, though.

[Aerows]

52. I saw a funny statement about that.

And I have to agree.

Raccoons are the assholes of the animal world.

[jack_krass]

53. I dont expect an answer, other than maybe "its her turn"

They are 1 dimensional chess players, shallow thinkers, only paying attention to the surface-level detail. They wont connect any dots.

[griffi94]

4. I think they miss a couple of key elements

The first one is they start with an assumption that everybody in the south doesn't
like the Clintons.
This is a false assumption as the southern primaries proved.

The second key element is the Wall Street boogey man.
Among a lot of blue collar souther Democrats that's just doesn't
have the same capacity to enrage.

Southern issues tend to be closer to home like you said.
The justice system, fair immigration, cost of living

[Meteor Man]

10. Money is the road to justice

and power walks in on crooked legs.

It's all connected.

[griffi94]

14. It's all connected in the same sense that a bumble bee is connected to a kangaroo

But it's several steps at least removed.

Money can be laid at the root.
The same religion can be laid at the root.

The fact is the Wall Street boogeyman is less likely
to have a noticable effect on a blue collar southern
feed store employee or a worker on a landscape crew.

They care about the price of gasoline and insurance and other cost of living issues.

[Meteor Man]

17. Like the root is connected to the leaf

The price of gas and insurance are directly connected to Wall Street Racketers.

[uponit7771]

27. There are many millionaires who are PoC who verily disagree with this non reality statement

[Meteor Man]

57. Disagree how?

Money is the road to justice?
No money, no justice.

Power walks in on crooked legs?
Power corrupts.

Non reality?

[Bluenorthwest]

5. The South is a bastion of anti gay legislation created on a bipartisan basis because it's full of

conservative Democrats. So blah, blah, blah. Land of discrimination. Their politics and my own are not the same. I'm not a bigoted conservative.

[uponit7771]

28. Because of lack of outreach to the DNC base by the DNC

[wildeyed]

66. And the part where they call us all

bigots Dems from blue parts of the country need to get out more, meet people from outside their bubble every now and then. That would REALLY help with their outreach too.

[think]

6. There are many important issues. Ending racial profiling & police abuse is very important.

Raising the minimum wage and funding school also very important issues.

Making sure Wall Street banks get prosecuted for stealing from the American people and causing economic distress like the great recession is also an important issue.

When regulators say 5 top banks are still too bog to fail we have a serious problem:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/14/business/dealbook/living-wills-of-5-banks-fail-to-pass-muster.html?_r=0

Much of what occurs on Wall Street effects people financially. Millions of people lost their jobs and/or homes during the great recession. Probably some of the evictions, state financial short falls, and other economic distress you allude to was a direct results of the reckless, immoral, and criminally corrupt behavior of Wall Street banks.

2008 financial crisis impact still hurting states

Jake Grovum, Stateline Staff Writer 2:20 p.m. EDT September 15, 2013

~Snip~

States slashed spending

The recession forced states to cut spending across the board, a reversal from a general trend of 1.6% growth each year, according to the National Association of State Budget Officers. States cut spending by 3.8% in fiscal year 2009 and by another 5.7% in fiscal 2010, the first such consecutive declines since the organization began tracking spending in 1979.

As NASBO found, the situation forced states to cut areas "often considered politically sacrosanct," such as education, public assistance programs and transportation. It remains to be seen whether the losses will ever be recouped.

Education comprises a significant portion of state budgets. In the 2012-2013 school year, for example, 35 states had K-12 funding that was below pre-recession levels when adjusted for inflation, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities (CBPP), a left-leaning think tank. Some states reeled from spending cuts% of almost 22% compared to 2008.


Read more:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/09/14/impact-on-states-of-2008-financial-crisis/2812691/

I too believe the issues you raise are very important. But policing and regulating Wall Street is no less important because of those issues. Rather it may make it all the more important as a part of dealing with the economic parts of the issues you address.

[Meteor Man]

12. States cut taxes for the wealthy

so they were "forced" to slash spending for social programs. Trickle down misery to please their corporate masters.

[uponit7771]

19. For whom are there "more important" issues?! That's the point the DNC base isn't scared of

... Walls Street

That's a true disconnect

[think]

29. Exit Polls Find High Distrust of Wall Street

Exit Polls Find High Distrust of Wall Street

By AARON ZITNER
Updated April 19, 2016 10:54 p.m. ET

Voters in New York’s Democratic and Republican primaries on Tuesday brought far different views to the task of picking a presidential nominee, but they found one notable point of agreement: a distrust of Wall Street.

Some 63% of Democrats and 49% of Republican voters said Wall Street hurts the economy more than it helps, a finding that is especially notable given New York’s status as the nation’s financial center.

Among Republican voters, 45% said Wall Street helps the economy. Among Democrats, only 30% saw Wall Street as helpful....

Read more:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/both-parties-voters-distrust-wall-street-in-exit-polls-1461108686

What were you saying?

[whatchamacallit]

7. What profound disappointment you'll feel

when profit prison, mass incarceration, bring them to heal Clnton does jack shit about it.

[uponit7771]

20. Cause Sanders was!? Really?! Why do you think most voting for Clinton believes he'll...

... make that big of a difference?

He has no track record...

Come on people, we know you've seen this before

[whatchamacallit]

34. Well at least he didn't do the kind of damage

the Clintons have been miraculously forgiven for.

[uponit7771]

44. Or, people don't believe the right wing noise machine about how much damage was done? I don't trust

... faux news

[nadinbrzezinski]

8. Hmmm immigration is not an issue?

ok.

And yes Wall Street and the for profit prison industry and gun manufactures are connected to bad cops and also cities using policing to raise revenue. Tough I will give you this, MOST VOTERS< not just in the south, cannot connect those dots, because it is not clearly explained,

But the family living still in buildings with lead chips in Baltimore, have a lot to do with speculation, poverty and wall street.

Locally local leaders have started to talk in those terms.

And you know what ELSE is directly connected to that.... the Panama Papers in particular and all those trillions slushing around in tax shelters. But you keep telling yourself they are not connected. That will make you feel better I am sure.

[uponit7771]

21. WOW... did you even read the OP?

[nadinbrzezinski]

33. Yes, yes I did

[B Calm]

11. Who put more cops on the street?

[uponit7771]

22. Thankfully Clinton did, helped a lot... PoC aren't against cops... just racist stupid ones who

... have no inclination towards professionalism

[Aerows]

13. I have lived in the Deep South all of my life

and I have been a registered Democrat, also, all of my life.

Yes, I have kept doing the same thing - voting for Democrats - and didn't get my desired results every time, but giving up is not in my DNA.

Not today, not tomorrow. Not ever.

[uponit7771]

23. What are your expectations seeing there's a historically gerrymandered GOP congress? tia

[Aerows]

32. A mistake in the making.

The gerrymandering can be defeated in 2020, provided we have an energized voting public. But of course, attempting to be a voter is turning into a nightmare by design. This Primary has been as crooked as a barrel of snakes, and wait for November. Be ready to greet your Republican President because the idiocy that has gone on during this Primary is just dress rehearsal for the GE.

I will not delight in telling you "I told you so." I'll mourn it because too many people refused to listen.

[uponit7771]

45. So What about till 2020? and would the primary be crooked if Sanders was winning? tia

[Aerows]

46. You heard me.

I don't have to say it twice.

[Bread and Circus]

15. wtf is the "DNC base"?

[uponit7771]

24. The people Sanders dismisses now and Clinton didn't win in 08 ... please look at the demos

[Bread and Circus]

36. I did check the demographics and the base majority of Democratic Votes are white

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/08/26/demographics_and_the_2016_election_scenarios.html

36,000,000 > 16,000,000

Sorry to burst your bubble.

[uponit7771]

37. Swing and a Miss, that base includes white women... Don't worry, Weaver and Devine didn't

... see it either and its part of the reason Sanders is losing in Diverse Cities

[Bread and Circus]

38. LoL so white women aren't white? I am sorry you don't like the numbers now that you have actually...

Looked.

However uponit... you aren't entitled to your own special reality.

Math matters.

[uponit7771]

39. White women live in the "deep south" too...

[Bread and Circus]

40. I am sure they do.

[Aerows]

48. It is getting to be a taunt with that individual

and I rather think it is hilarious.

[Aerows]

47. I do

and be careful with the scorn.

I did my part, voted for Sanders and I have no regrets.

[AgingAmerican]

16. Profoundly ignorant OP

[uponit7771]

25. Ad homs are an indicator of a weak position

[Eric J in MN]

18. Bernie Sanders talks about all those things, though he talks about Wall St the most. NT

NT

[uponit7771]

26. So Does Clinton, all things being the same why take a chance on someone with no track record?

[Eric J in MN]

30. I consider Bernie Sanders sincere and Hillary Clinton insincere.

I think Bernie Sanders really wants to regulate Wall St and reform police depts.

I doubt Hillary Clinton wants to do those things.

[Beowulf]

35. And what is her track record and why should it give me comfort?

Just take the policing issues.

Will she take steps to demilitarize the police?

Will her DOJ aggressively indict cops, even entire police departments on violation of civil rights?

Will she go after mayors who cover up crimes by police? (Looking at you Rahm!)

Will she decriminalize marijuana?

Will she go after police departments who seize assets in order to fund themselves?

I don't see anything in her record that suggests she'd do any of those things.

[uponit7771]

61. Asked and answered, its well documented by now

[ContinentalOp]

31. I wouldn't think that people living in poverty care much about wall st.

If you're a renter, you were unaffected by the housing crash. If you don't have a 401k what do you care about a stock market crash? If you don't have any savings in the bank, or maybe don't even have a bank account, what do you care about banks collapsing? If you're already out of work, the unemployment rate doesn't really affect you. I would love for the "it's all connected" people to explain exactly how breaking up the banks is going to stop cops from murdering black people in the street.

Bernie's issue is an important one, but for most americans it's a pretty wonky niche issue that doesn't really a visible impact on our day to day lives.

[think]

42. Did you miss Goldman Sachs devestating over 250,000 pension funds?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027777031

Wall Street cost the US over 8,000,000 million jobs in the great recession.

Wall Street has lots to do with poverty....

[ContinentalOp]

43. LOL, pension? Who has one of those anymore?

8 million jobs lost by the Bush administration and something like 10 million brought back by the Obama administration.

I'm not denying that wall street has something to do with poverty, but for the average person living in poverty, the effect is probably not as direct and obvious. These aren't people with pensions to lose.

[strategery blunder]

60. That's BS, renters were PLENTY affected by the Wall Street crash

All those people who lost their homes still had to live somewhere, so demand for rentals went up, hence rents went UP.

I had to move to a far crappier apartment in a far crappier neighborhood in 2011 because the place I had been living in wanted to raise rent by more than $200/month. In percentage terms, the increase was about 30%.

I'll probably have to move again, to the "wrong side of the tracks" this time, within 2 years because of course rents keep going up and up...because no one can afford to buy a fcking home anymore.

[uponit7771]

63. Of course they were but connecting the dots to wall street is something Sanders never did

... in any of his conversations to the poor.

It's always Wall Street bad, Hillary killed Bambi and the "Deep South" doesn't matter or some shit

[uponit7771]

62. +1, not only that he doesn't explain how it affects the poor day to day lives

[Skwmom]

41. I guess they don't mind losing their homes to Wall Street?

Last edited Mon Apr 25, 2016, 02:02 AM - Edit history (1)

The editorial page of the New York Times recently weighed in on an important but underappreciated aspect of the financial crisis: The systematic targeting of communities of color for risky and unfair loans. As the Times put it:

Pricing discrimination — illegally charging minority customers more for loans and other services than similarly qualified whites are charged — is a longstanding problem. It grew to outrageous proportions during the bubble years. Studies by consumer advocates found that large numbers of minority borrowers who were eligible for affordable, traditional loans were routinely steered toward ruinously priced subprime loans that they would never be able to repay.

Rampant lending discrimination during the housing bubble exposed black and Latino communities to the harshest consequences of the economic crisis. The link between race, subprime lending, and devastating rates of foreclosure has been crystal clear for some time. Researches at Princeton have found, for example, that "the greater the degree of Hispanic and especially black segregation a metropolitan area exhibits, the higher the number and rate of foreclosures it experiences." That same study found that these disparities are due in large part to the disproportionate chance that minority borrowers will receive subprime loans.


https://www.aclu.org/blog/predatory-lending-wall-street-profited-minority-families-paid-price

[uponit7771]

64. K.. Most of the poor have "homes"!? ... really?

[Kip Humphrey]

51. My take? You were no where near a subject of mortgage predaters that took down millions

of people in the South and across the country. I suggest getting out of your bubble occasionally.

[thomservo]

56. Thank you! n/t

[uponit7771]

65. Worked for a financial company during the crash, not only did I see it coming but warned everyone...

... else who was looking but never ever thought these companies would do 40:1 margins that Sanders CFMA vote allowed them to do.

Don't tell me, you still think Glass Steagal affected Hedge Funds pre bailout.... sigh... he's got people right where he wants them

[BobSmith4152]

58. Returning to the point of the OP I agree and the discussion above proves it.

Setting aside for the moment what the "base of the DNC" consists of, Sanders is an expressions of decades of party inattention but he's not saying it right.

stupid ass'd cops.. being evicted... schools ... immigration fairness etc.

Bernie speaks against Wall Street but not always in a way that connects Wall Street to "stupid ass'd cops.. being evicted... schools ... immigration fairness etc." Big money Wall Street CAN be connected to these issues and many others. Gentrification, infrastructure #FightFor15, veteran support...I could go on. Instead the campaign says "Revolution against the Wall Street Oligarchy" and WTF does that mean to voters?

Bernie's campaign says "Wall Street" it doesn't say "Hey everyone making $2.13 or $7.25/hr CEOs take care of stock prices not you so VOTE FOR ME"

Bernie's campaign doesn't say "You were evicted because we bailed out the banks not you so VOTE FOR ME"

Bernie's campaign doesn't say "They want vouchers because they can't sell stock in good public education so VOTE FOR ME"

Which brings me to "the base of the DNC" which is not pretty. No, really the Democratic National Committee known I believe in the Twitterverse as @TheDemocrats is not pretty. I'll post on this later but the DNC is a Third Way nee DLC corporate takeover of the FDR through LBJ Democratic party. Which is what scares me about 2016.

I'll post more about this too but in short 2008's PUMAs had party or at least brand loyalty. They faded quickly after June because we could say "You've been a loyal Democrat help us GOTV" and because Barack Obama had Independent and youth voters to start with we won.

Bernie's people are the PBO "bring ins" from 2008; young, first time or Independent voters who have no allegiance to the Democratic party. I can't knock on their doors and use my "Hey you're a Democrat you know why and this is our candidate" speech. I've got, what? "Sorry no Revolution for you but lets at least have more of the same because it's better than the other guy so take an hour out of your life because really the stuff your guy was talking about at least won't get any worse if you go vote for..."

In 2008 I had Hope and Change knocking on doors. In 2012 I had don't change horses and 47%. With Bernie I'd have a somewhat inarticulate Revolution. With Hillary I'll have what? We're for her winning and against someone else winning? That's gonna make someone stand in line in the dark maybe in the rain.

This is a walking for Kerry year. Yeah the Democrat should win on principle but principle doesn't get people to the polls.