So Hillary will become the nominee because the party has limited who can vote?

[awake]

Instead of nominating the most electable person with the highest over all support from Americans we are stuck with the chosen one, but only chosen by thoes in the party who were not removed from the voter lists or who had been "party" members in good standing 6 months ago. I can hear it already only Democrats should be allowed to vote, this is a private party not open to just anyone, them are the rules if you do not like them start your own party.... Well that may be fine and dandy for the primarys to limit who gets to vote, in the GE this fall everyone ( except thoes who have been purged from the list or do not have the "correct" form of id) will be voting and not just for the POTUS but for the Senate and House, so why would we not want to but up the strongest candidate with millions of supporters will to work and give money to defeat the GOP instead we may end up with a candidate who has the finically backing from the 1% but little or no enthusiasm from the majority of Americans. We are on the verge of nominating a flawed candidate with the highest unfavorable rating of anyone we have ever nominated, a candidate under investigation by the FBI for having been at least "careless" with how National Securty information was handled on a home server and a candidate who is more pro war than any other candidate still running in ether major party.

We still have time to change this we have another choice, we can chose an inspiring candidate who has been working hard for the 99% for over 40 years, a candidate who has received more than 6,000,000 individual donation avagering $27, a candidate not owned by the Wallstreet Banks, a candidate who can be trusted to do the right thing and has shown to have the correct judgment when in matters. As was said in the first American revolution "We have just begun to fight"!

[Trust Buster]

1. No, because like this Tuesday, she will receive more votes and more delegates. Quit whining.

[Stuckinthebush]

40. It's futile

I rarely come to GDP without saying, "oh for fu&k sakes!"

The hyperbole gives a gaggle of 7th graders a run for their money.

[reformist2]

46. If it's Hillary vs. Trump, don't kid youself, we all lose.

[Stuckinthebush]

47. Exhibit A

Hyperbole extraordinaire

[rjsquirrel]

2. As it always has for generations

Democrats vote for the democratic nominee in most states.

It's only a problem if you are losing because more democrats voted for the other candidate.

Maybe we should let Republicans pick our nominee too?

[Triana]

3. Very REPUBLICAN of them isn't it? n/t

[seabeyond]

4. Ahhh, Teabaggers and Libertarians and Republicans can't choose our Democratic candidate.

[Califonz]

5. The scars of McGovern's defeat in 1972

have yet to heal. But the Cold War is over and the economy is in the toilet. The Democrats should nominate another FDR, not another Clinton under the cloud of an FBI investigation.

[apcalc]

15. She's under no cloud

Unless you live in Republican fantasyland.

[awake]

16. If your head is in the sand then you can not see the storm coming

[Zynx]

58. FDR, who turned a blind eye to the plight of African Americans in the South?

I think FDR was a great president, but I don't ignore his considerable faults. He did/didn't do a number of things that make me squeamish. Let's not pretend he was an angel of virtue and wasn't prone to compromise.

[Jitter65]

6. So how long have these rules been in place? And of course, BS will protest the existence of caucus?

Maybe?

[Joob]

7. More and More people are pushing Bernie to Run independent because they couldn't vote for him

Be it, Democrats who thought they were registered, or Independents who thought they switched. Or even thought they had time to switch. Regardless, People want their votes to count, and if they can't vote for him now, guess what? They want to do it later.

Thus, the push for him to run Independent, regardless of what he said. Bernie is with the people and will listen to them if enough people are asking him to.

[apcalc]

19. My sympathies go out to anyone whose registration was

Not properly recorded, or switched. Those wrongs must be righted.

I shed no tears for independents who " didn't know" or " didn't show up to register in time, as long as they were able ( as in not sick, not incapacitated.).
I changed from Independent LAST SUMMER, to Democrat. The information as to dates of record to do this is readily available via the Internet, phone call. It was easy, anyone can do it, no problem.

You have to be a responsible voter.

If you want to label that ' voter suppression' , please call the failure to switch in time " voter- SELF - suppression."

[SFnomad]

21. Sanders has said he won't do that ... only the BS cheerleaders want him to

Of course, that would guarantee a Republican Presidency ... which is what it seems these BS cheerleaders want. I wonder why?

[chknltl]

28. I would vote for him again..

....that is if the corporitists don't find a way to cancel my vote when the time comes. VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

[NorthCarolina]

41. I have to admit, I'm starting to agree with them.

I do believe Bernie would likely win an independent bid for the WH.

[CrowCityDem]

8. We are nominating the candidate with the most support. Bernie's indies don't match H's Dems.

[awake]

11. I guess that you bo not relies that there are not enough "Dems" to elect her this fall

Who ever we nominate they will need the strong support of independents there is no way we can win with out them. If people want to shut the doors to our party so the insiders get their choice then thoes people are sowing the seeds of there own defeat. Our party does best when we include as many people as possible.

[CrowCityDem]

17. What I realize...

is that through a process that includes indies and Dems, Hillary has far more votes than Bernie. Bernie may have more support among a group of indies, but his TOTAL support is less.

[awake]

22. All of the poles show Bernie beating all Republicans by a much larger margin than Hillary does

And in some cases Hillary would lose

[apcalc]

24. That same thing happened

With polls when Hillary ran against Obama. The polls showed her doing better than he against Republicans at the time.

[awake]

26. So in 2008 did you feel that she should stay in the race till the end?

[apcalc]

57. it's his call really

But I do think his voters should have the opportunity to vote for him and he should think of that.

[NorthCarolina]

43. Hillary doesn't even have a super majority of registered Deomcrats, and outside the party

she has ZERO support. Hillary may win the primary, but she will never win the GE unless things like the Diebold advantage work flawlessly.

[CrowCityDem]

45. She has more support than Bernie. That's all that matters.

[NorthCarolina]

48. IN THE PARTY.

Do you honestly think a simple majority of registered Democrats is all that's needed to win in the GE? You're dreaming.

[CrowCityDem]

49. She's also won big, important open primaries like OH. Face it, Bernie has limited appeal.

[NorthCarolina]

50. Continue in your dream world.

If that's what floats your boat.

[CrowCityDem]

51. It's called reality, and it has a well-known pro-Hillary bias.

[trudyco]

61. I've seen a poll showing Bernie 2% behind her

And that's with no negative campaigning by the Republicans yet and almost unanimous cheerleading for Hillary by the MSM plus her name recognition for being first Lady and SOS.
It's not much of a lead for the GE. It's very telling for Clinton.

Then there are polls showing Bernie beating the Repubs by higher percentages than her.

Of course, who wins the GE also depends on how effective the Repubs are at painting Hillary or Bernie as bad. There's plenty of ammunition for both and frankly I've never seen an effective Presidential campaign by Democrats my whole life of voting. They never do as good a job as Republicans. So it's a worry for either candidate.

But many people HATE Hillary and, while many right leaning folks are afraid of Bernie's Jewishness, funny accent, and mostly "he's a socialist so he must be a commie and hey wasn't that our enemy for the last generation?" I think he has a better chance.

One thing he has that is very, very, very powerful right now is the perception that he is honest (for a politician anyway) and he is working for the average Joe/Jane. I know your arguments against this and you may be right. But that's the perception Hillary is up against and she can't beat it. She comes across as a phoney, Trump comes across as a half-cocked loose cannon and Cruz comes across as a right wing Zealot who is the opposite of charismatic. Bernie comes across as that nice neighbor up the road, he's got middle class values. He's fairly honest and he cares about us because he's middle class like us and hey, us middle class folks are a heck of a lot more honest than the wealthy class. And, he's been a politician on the national scene for decades so he knows how that works, too. Clinton is a multi-millionaire with perfectly coifed hair and designer clothes. Trump is a Billionaire with a perfect comb over (is it fluffed with duck down?) and designer suits. Bernie looks like he got his suit off a rack, only presses it once a week to save money, and he gets haircuts from supercuts. He's one of us.

I think if he goes independent I would risk the Republicans winning for the first time in my life. I remember railing at my brother not to vote for Nader. Tried telling him the "Lesser of two evils" and "Scotus". Looking at who Obama picked for Supreme Court - most likely another corporatist who has not said they'd get rid of Citizens United - I don't know if there is a difference between Hillary and Trump. And, if I vote for an independent Bernie, possibly we'd get Bernie, who at least has the vision to right the wrongs of the last couple of decades and bring back the middle class. Cuz he's one of us. He gets us.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Neither of the establishment parties trust the people to select candidates.

It would be too democratic and distasteful to the bosses.

[SFnomad]

23. That's why they go through the motions of primaries and

pretend to listen to tens of millions of people, right?

[Dem2]

27. .

[TheCowsCameHome]

10. And then there's the write-in option this fall.

All is not lost.

[randome]

12. "The chosen one". Chosen by voters, you mean.

What a mean-spirited thing to say. Just because your candidate is losing, it seems you want to do whatever you can to damage the winning candidate. And maybe to damage DU if you can manage it?

This perpetual whining will have no effect. DU will go on and Clinton will be our next President.

I learned during my divorce that the success or failure of a marriage is not determined by time spent but on how much consideration and class is shown during the breakup.

Show some class, will you?
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[awake]

20. Only by the voters who were allowed to vote by thoes on the inside

Our party used to want as many to join as possible why are we putting up barriers to new people who have become inspired to join.

[randome]

52. We haven't. In most states, if not all, new voters can register same day.

You know why most states have restrictions on others who can vote in a Democratic Party primary, though: to reduce the likelihood of Republicans joining at the last second in order to screw up our nominee.
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[awake]

53. where are you getting this information?

[Lil Missy]

13. your candidate is losing. simple as that. time to move on.

[Darb]

14. Not even remotely accurate.

Try again. This time take off the

[awake]

25. Do tell where is it not "remotely accurate"

[Darb]

29. Uh derrr, Hillary got the most votes by far.

Some states don't let independents and members of the opposing party choose their candidates. That's their business. And can you tell me why Bernie did the best in states with caucuses? That's a different procedure all together and profoundly affects voter franchise via the time it takes and the bother compared to just casting a vote in a primary. Funny how that is all good and keeping Repiglickers from getting into the Dems business is all bad.

Dial back the tension on your meter, it is over-sensitized.

[Dem2]

18. Not to be taken seriously

You've lost all credibility with this post.

[stonecutter357]

30. Democratic party only.......thanks.

[beachbumbob]

31. Lol...if you don't know primary voting rules that have been in place

In many instances....for decades...how is that a particular fault of the party or a candidate?...

[HooptieWagon]

32. 1968 déjà Vu.

The party establishment picks their establishment candidate and rigs the process to nominate them, ignoring and insulting those who disagree. The die is being cast for a Nov bloodbath.

[LuvLoogie]

33. Anyone can register as a Democrat. There are no Political Thought Police.

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[awake]

36. In states Like Wisconsin where there is same day registration this is true.

Which Bernie won but in NY we saw at least if not more than 120,000 Democrates removed from their right to vote.

[LuvLoogie]

55. Subterfuge comes in all forms. "Independants" and Republicans crossing over

to vote in Democratic open primaries is one example. This is perfectly demonstrated in Wisconsin's vote where 14 % of Bernie's voters didn't bother to vote in the Supreme court Race or for any down ticket Democrats some even voted for the Republican, Walker supported candidate for the Supreme Court.

[awake]

56. Oh the explains why Trump lost there

Ya all of thoes nasty Republicans that show up at Bernie rallies we can not let any of thoes people in the tent. We have our candidate, it's her turn stop telling us about why she will be a problem in the GE we do not want to know. Get out of our way, sit down and shutup Bernie is not one of us the DNC and DWS will take care of everything.....

[LuvLoogie]

60. Register as a Democrat and vote for Democrats. This is the Democratic primary

We KNOW Hillary is a Democrat. It seems that Bernie no-longer thinks he would be a hypocrite running as a Democrat, and so now "is" a Democrat.

Sorry. This is on Bernie and his supporters whether they want to BE Democrats and build consensus with other Democrats. It's on you. You make all the noise you want. But don't deny what is DEMONSTRABLY the majority of Democrats to choose their candidate, which to this point is clearly, by all metrics, Hillary Rodham Clinton.

[cloudythescribbler]

34. Bernie delegates AS A BLOC must demand the platform oppose ALL "closed" primaries

Regardless of who the nominee is, if Bernie's delegates vote as a bloc to oppose ALL "closed" primaries, it is likely that a good number of Hillary delegates will agree. It is one of MANY urgent changes to the platform that need to be made. Some are on issues like climate (at least they can commit the party to national TELEVISED Senate hearings on the 350.org issue of how urgent climate issues are, effective if Democrats take the Senate whilst the GOP continues to command a gerrymandority in the House), and others are on process or Party issues (eg more progressive-friendly national organizational leadership than the likes of Debbie Wasserman Schultz).

But "closed" primaries have got to go and getting at least one major party to oppose them should make a huge difference in many states.

It is NOT whining for fellow Bernie supporters to raise this HUGE issue -- impacting among other states the 'firewall' of NY, PA, CT, and MD. Given the state of politics in the US (where Independents outnumber Democrats and outnumber Republicans, and are crucial for victory) shutting Independents out of the process is simply a distortion

And this business of switching voters' registration, insufficient numbers of polling places etc has GOT to be addressed in the national Convention.

Democracy requires active efforts to make sure that the process is as honest as possible

[Maedhros]

35. This, more than anything else, underscores the mindset of the Hillary supporter:

OUR CANDIDATE is more important than the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, because the people aren't all Democrats.

[awake]

39. Ya that seem to some it up

Along with we are not interested in who will be our best candidate in the fall because it is Hillary's turn.

[Maedhros]

42. They seem to think that somehow, just BEING a Democrat makes one worthy of office.[n/t]

[-none]

62. But the problem is that they have a narrow, specific definition of what a Democrat is.

One that fits their candidate only. Never mind the Democratic base. Never mind the Democratic party plank.

[NCTraveler]

37. The people of the Democratic Party are nominating Clinton.

That is close enough to correct.

[nadinbrzezinski]

38. This has been going on for generaitons

we just like to pretend that these are democratic elections, They are not. The national party should stop the pretending and go back to smoke filled rooms. Really, they should, And while at it, get off the public teat to run their internal party elections.

By the way, this is not a discussion, I have heard it from some really old timers. Same shit, same discussion, in the 1970s.

What we all need to insist from our legislators, is that voter registration no longer include party, anywhere and that if parties insist on running closed primaries, as it is their legal right, by all means, we pay nada for it as tax payers.

But... all those laws that prevent an independent run for the presidency, must go away. If simebody meets the legal requirement and they want to run INDEPENDENT of any faction, all they to do is register with the state. File simple paperwork proving they can run.

"Thesenutz" could not obviously since he did not file under legal name, and was well under age. But the only place you can do that, is with the FEC, That is a problem.

[JoePhilly]

44. That's some serious nonsense.

[WhiteTara]

54. Is this your first primary?

This has been the practice for decades and I'm always surprised that people who are not familiar with the process want to change it the day before elections. To make change, you have to start working right after an election and start at the local level.

[lumberjack_jeff]

59. There is a good argument for restricting who votes for party officials, including nominee.

Washington voters who, by a margin of 70:30 chose Sanders, requires participants to declare their party preference before voting.

The problem isn't the fact that the participants are limited, it's the process. As a party, it is fucking stupid to create rules that prevent young people from participating.