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think

(11,641 posts)
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:39 AM Apr 2016

The Story of the Great Brooklyn Voter Purge Keeps Getting Weirder

The Story of the Great Brooklyn Voter Purge Keeps Getting Weirder

—By AJ Vicens | Fri Apr. 22, 2016 4:52 PM EDT

Some 120,000 people couldn't vote. What happened?

The first head has rolled after more than 100,000 voters were mistakenly purged from the Brooklyn voter rolls ahead of this week's New York primary, which handed Hillary Clinton a much-needed win over Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. Diane Haslett-Rudiano, the chief clerk of the New York Board of Elections, was suspended "without pay, effective immediately, pending an internal investigation into the administration of the voter rolls in the Borough of Brooklyn," the agency said in a statement, according to the New York Daily News.

Anonymous city elections officials said Haslett-Rudiano, who was in charge of the city's Republican voter rolls, had been "scapegoated," according to the New York Post. "It sounds like they cut a deal to make the Republican the scapegoat and protect Betty Ann," an anonymous Democratic elected official from Brooklyn told the Post, referring to Betty Ann Canizio, who was in charge of the Democratic voter rolls.

On the day of the primary, New York City Mayor Bill DeBlasio, a Clinton supporter, said he'd heard reports of the "purging of entire buildings and blocks of voters from the voting lists." He said, "The perception that numerous voters may have been disenfranchised undermines the integrity of the entire electoral process."

The voter purge was just one of several problems with the primary throughout the city. Voters also reported long lines, poll locations that didn't open, and, in one case, an elections worker sleeping on the job.

Read more:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/new-york-primary-voter-purge
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The Story of the Great Brooklyn Voter Purge Keeps Getting Weirder (Original Post) think Apr 2016 OP
It was done on purpose. People need to go to jail. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #1
It's a shame we'll never know how it would have effected the out come.... think Apr 2016 #2
We may. The affidavit count is not firm yet in Brooklyn but I hear from county headquarters hrmjustin Apr 2016 #3
You actually have to make a significant fuss to get an affidavit ballot jeff47 Apr 2016 #21
Yea but now that it's too late to do anything about it Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #5
Read the post above yours Dem2 Apr 2016 #14
I'm glad you see this. NWCorona Apr 2016 #4
You are right Andy823 Apr 2016 #8
But young voters can be targeted... HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #17
I agree Andy823 Apr 2016 #7
You do know that the campaigns keep lists of voters and who they will vote for, correct? eomer Apr 2016 #10
Sure there is. beedle Apr 2016 #11
Hillaroids have told me this is nothing but FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #6
That's what they will be whimpering artislife Apr 2016 #9
Greens will be getting a lot of votes. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #19
They must have a list of the disenfranchised dreamnightwind Apr 2016 #12
The same crap is happening in many states Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #13
First lie, so I stop reading. It did not "hand" Clinton the win and it is irresponsible saying so. seabeyond Apr 2016 #15
How would people be purged by buildings and blocks? 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #16
ALL people's votes should count. Not just the connected. Octafish Apr 2016 #18
Why wasn't Canzio suspended as well pending an investigation? EndElectoral Apr 2016 #20
 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
1. It was done on purpose. People need to go to jail.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:48 AM
Apr 2016

And contrary to popular opinion here it was not done to hurt Sanders.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
3. We may. The affidavit count is not firm yet in Brooklyn but I hear from county headquarters
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

that it is big and concentrated in African American neighborhoods.

If they "skipped" steps than those affidavits are legal voyes and should be counted.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
21. You actually have to make a significant fuss to get an affidavit ballot
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:33 PM
Apr 2016

Poll workers resist giving them out.

And there's lots and lots and lots of ways to declare that affidavit ballot invalid.

There is no way to "undo" this, or minimize the harm. As intended.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
5. Yea but now that it's too late to do anything about it
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:03 AM
Apr 2016

it'll get 'fixed' back. So Hillary can take NY in the GE.

This bullshit stinks all the way.

They should call NY (and other states) null and void because of these crimes against democracy and America. And do them over without the criminal activities

Seems odd that the DNC (and Neo-Dem "leadership&quot has never tried to correct the eVoting and election corruption from back in the Bush/Rove days. As Hartmann (and others) have reported, if they talk about it at all they just say they dont' want to talk about it because it might discourage people from bothering to vote. Translation: people might not participate in the farce. This crap benefits the oligarchy (per Jimmy Carter). At that level it doesn't matter which party wins.



Dem2

(8,168 posts)
14. Read the post above yours
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:39 AM
Apr 2016

Why do say things that can't be substantiated to stir up discontent? You seem intent on making up what can only be described as "lies" to further your agenda? Why? Your credibility goes to shit when you do this...

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
8. You are right
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

There is no way anyone could sort out one candidates voters and the purge them from the rolls.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
17. But young voters can be targeted...
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:06 PM
Apr 2016

And 80% of them would be Sanders voters. Of if someone got ahold of a Sanders donor list, those voters could be targeted.

Andy823

(11,495 posts)
7. I agree
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

I still can't believe how anyone could think that this was a some kind of plot to hurt Bernie. How could anyone know who would be voting for Bernie, and purge them from the voting rolls? All this conspiracy crap happens every time Bernie loses in a state. I agree that this needs to be investigated and if it was done on purpose, someone needs to be prosecuted, whoever that may be.

eomer

(3,845 posts)
10. You do know that the campaigns keep lists of voters and who they will vote for, correct?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:25 AM
Apr 2016

Have you ever volunteered for a campaign? The systems used for phone banking and canvassing neighborhoods can produce lists of voters and who they plan to vote for, the level of their support, and so on. What would make it impossible to match that list against the registration data?

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
11. Sure there is.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

1 - Purge voters in Brooklyn that was the most progressive county in the 2008 primaries (check)
2 - Purge registered Repbs & Ind who signed switched to Dems just before the Oct deadline, most likely to be Bernie supporters (check)
3 - Purge newly Dems who registered just before March deadline, most likely to be Bernie supporter (check)
4 - Forge registration switch from Dem to Ind for Known Bernie supporters (check) - law suit includes several cases of obvious purposeful fraud in forging voter registration ... one man reported being switched and asking for a copy of the form he supposedly signed ... on it there was indeed his signature ... a 'bit for bit' copy of his signature from his drivers license. (I wonder who really has malicious access to the DNC database during the period when it was 'accidentally' opened, reported, and never closed until one of Bernie's staff looked at the database 'incorrectly'?

And that's just the crap we've discovered so far.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
9. That's what they will be whimpering
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

in November when the Greens get a lot of the votes they took for granted.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
19. Greens will be getting a lot of votes.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:14 PM
Apr 2016

Millenials and liberals are tired of the insults, and very well may give Democratic Party establishment the middle finger. Party will lose an entire generation, and deservedly so.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
12. They must have a list of the disenfranchised
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:33 AM
Apr 2016

One thing I'd like to see would be a demographic analysis of the purged. Then we could look for patterns to see if the purges looked politically motivated. I'm not certain of the criteria they'd need to look at, but can imagine things like race, age, neighborhood, and how long they had been registered as Democrats could be used to look for candidate correlation.

Also if there was a way the Sanders campaign could compare the purged with its own donor database, and use a similar random group from Brooklyn as a control, they could see if Sanders voters were more likely to have been purged.

I'm sure actual stats people could find the right things to look for. I wonder if anyone is thinking of doing this?

My guess is there would be some correlation, which would be incredible to demonstrate if it's the case. If not, it would be support those who say it was just a purge and not political.

Clinton won Brooklyn, I think? So it seems like there would need to be a bias towards purging Sanders voters rather than a general purge of voters in the area, to show any political motivation.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
13. The same crap is happening in many states
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

When the dust settles and there is even more info released/discovered/leaked will the 'victor' be considered LEGITIMATE?
Probably not. If not, what will the following 4 years be like?

Here's what happened in Chicago (just one example of what has happened in other states):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511816613

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
15. First lie, so I stop reading. It did not "hand" Clinton the win and it is irresponsible saying so.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016
 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
16. How would people be purged by buildings and blocks?
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016

that is not how the bmv sorts auto licensing, does it? No it must have come through the voter database itself?

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
18. ALL people's votes should count. Not just the connected.
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 12:08 PM
Apr 2016

Thank you, think! This is why Democracy. It reads strange, seeing the letters. But, to too many people, a concept that hasn't sunk in.

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