The End Is Coming: Top Sanders adviser hints at a quiet finish - The Washington Post

[JaneyVee]

Is the end nigh? (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer)

THE MORNING PLUM:

There’s a whole lot of hand-wringing among Democrats right now over Bernie Sanders’s vow to keep on trying to flip super-delegates even if he continues to trail badly in the popular vote and pledged delegate count — a quest that, he says, could spill on to the convention floor in Philadelphia in July. Both Sanders himself and his campaign manager Jeff Weaver have rattled this saber.

But now senior Sanders adviser Tad Devine has telegraphed a much more likely endgame — one that would be a whole lot quieter and less contentious. In an interview with Rachel Maddow, Devine was asked whether this strategy is in sync with Sanders’s high-minded campaign, and he answered, in part:

“The key test is succeeding with voters. In 2008 I wrote a piece that they published in the New York Times right after Super Tuesday, and I argued that super-delegates should wait, should look and listen to what the voters do, and follow the will of the voters. And I can tell you, I got a lot of push-back from the Clinton campaign at the time, when I published that piece.

“But I believe that today — that our super-delegates, that our party leaders, should let the voters speak first. And I think if they do, all the way through the end of the voting, that will strengthen our party, and certainly strengthen our hand — if we succeed with voters between now and June.”

The rest:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/04/21/the-end-is-coming-a-top-sanders-adviser-hints-at-a-quiet-finish/

[CoffeeCat]

1. "The End is Coming"

I don't believe anything the Washington Post has to say. They are nothing but a talking-point factory for the Clinton campaign.

The Sander's campaign quotes in this article seem to contradict the headline.

The Washington Post has become a joke.

[DCBob]

6. It was this statement.. "if we succeed with voters between now and June."

Suggesting that "if not".. then the Supers should go with Hillary and end it quietly.

[floriduck]

53. Oh good. Let's have a parsing party! I'll bring the clam dip.

[Skwmom]

42. Clinton has her surrogates and corporate media propaganda machine to do her dirty work.

[Hortensis]

83. “I want to urge Bernie supporters to tone down negative

characterizations of Hillary and Hillary supporters to do the same with regard to Bernie. I know both candidates personally. Both are thoughtful and dedicated people who care deeply about this nation. Either of them would be a thousand times better president than any of the Republican candidates….It’s important that we not jeopardize that future joint effort through excessive divisiveness now.”

Robert Reich

[FSogol]

103. +1. n/t

[agracie]

55. Yep. The quotes contradict the headlines for sure.

[LAS14]

76. ??? I've frequently lamented that the Post...

... has nothing but negative stories about Hillary. This dating back months. (Don't look on DU. I didn't bother to post.) So I've often felt that the Washington Post had become a joke. But because it couldn't see anything good about Hillary.

[Walk away]

2. Apparently, Sanders has read Trump's "The Art Of The Deal"!

Although, he may have overplayed his hand this week with all the saber rattling and threats. I hear his phone banking is down 85%. That's not good news for Bernie and his revolution.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

4. I read that too and the money is drying up.

[Walk away]

9. I don't think he is prepared for how quickly his "Movement" will collapse as his followers...

begin to understand he has already lost.

I have a friend who is a marriage counselor. She always says that the amount of time and effort that someone puts into a relationship has a direct baring on the length of time it takes to recover from it's loss and to move on.

Most of Bernie's adherents have only spent months idolizing him. They will recover quickly. The hard core Naderite Super Left may never recover. They now belong to Bernie even in defeat. That's OK. I'm sure Elizabeth Warren will be happy to get the off her back!

[Hortensis]

31. Walk away, I mostly agree, but I believe the

hard-core as you call them will be looking for a new leader to follow. A better bern.

As for Warren, definitely! You know, I'd forgotten, but the Boston Globe reported some time ago that Warren had said repeatedly that she would endorse someone during the primary. She notably has not as it turns out (particularly Sanders when it would have done him some real good), but it seems very likely that she would take a stand if Sanders refused to accept the results of the primaries and tried to take it to the convention.

An honorable and highly responsible transition to winning 2016 for as many Democrats as possible, while at the same time continuing his efforts to change American thinking, is, I hope, Sanders' next step. Doesn't mean he has to concede before the last state has voted. I see no reason why he shouldn't stay in the national spotlight promoting his message as long as possible -- as long as he is part of building our party's strength for the GE.

[k8conant]

65. I don't know why people keep talking about "idolizing" someone who expresses our policies and ideals

Perhaps some do. I never have but I definitely support Bernie because we share the same policies and ideals.

If Hillary's policies and character were acceptable to me, I would consider supporting her.

[Walk away]

74. There are hundreds of these but the first two I copied....

were enough to make me laugh out loud.

http://upload.democraticunderground.com/12511640743

http://www.democraticunderground.com/128019128

[democrattotheend]

41. Where did you read that?

Do you have a link?

[JonLeibowitz]

60. Of course not. DSB is peddling fiction.

Standard fare for the Brock troll army and their acolytes.

[democrattotheend]

70. It sounds believable though

I know I have been feeling demoralized and have not phonebanked or donated in the past week. I can't imagine I am the only one. I did what I could to help him win New York, but now I am feeling like any further efforts are futile.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

86. Wow, you called me a troll and a liar.

Of course not. DSB is peddling fiction.
Standard fare for the Brock troll army and their acolytes.

Wow, you called me a troll and a liar.




How do I respond without running afoul of the rules of DU? I can't so we will just leave it at that.


P.S. Please don't refer to me with an acronym or a diminutive. That is reserved for people I like. I extend to you the courtesy of not calling you JL.

Thank you in advance.

[JonLeibowitz]

92. That doesn't prove what you claim.

Doesn't say anything about money drying up either.

Also, I would consider you one of the army's acolytes, not a troll.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

93. Keep insulting me.

I passed on what I saw.

[JonLeibowitz]

94. I didn't call you a troll so the insult is imagined.

I apologize if you misunderstood what I said.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

95. All I know is passed on what I saw.

Is it officially sourced? No.

Did I suggest it was more than that? No, again

I read that too and the money is drying up.


-me

[JonLeibowitz]

97. Ok. I also don't see a source for the money drying up.

But ok.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

98. I read that too.

Follow

AlGiordano
?@AlGiordano AlGiordano Retweeted Marianne M Pappacoda
Worth repeating: Donations are likely down by the same percentage that phone bank volunteers are down.

[JonLeibowitz]

99. Ok well if you're going to use that hack's speculation as a reliable source, you are free to do so..

It does mean this conversation is over. I can't stop laughing!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

100. You called me a liar for passing on what I saw.

I merely defended my veracity. No need to insult me further.

[Surya Gayatri]

3. Enormous K & R. Thanks for posting.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. I am curious how this ends.

Everybody needs to follow their moral compass. I just don't see how not opposing Trump with every fiber of one's being could be consistent with anybody who calls themselves a liberal moral compass.

[Surya Gayatri]

7. "...opposing Trump with every fiber of one's being..."

Yeah, you'd think this would be the over-riding preoccupation of any Democrat or Liberal worthy of the name.

Go figure. Then again, Libertarians and Anarchists may not have such a sensitive moral compass.

Whatever will incite the REVOLUTION!!111!!! is to be welcomed in their book.

[Andy823]

24. Exactly

Those who continue to point out how they would NEVER vote for Hillary, or that everyone should write in Bernie's name in November, are the ones who in the majority of cases where never going to voter for Hillary, or any Democrat come November. Their goal has always been to divide the voters by any way possible. Play the Hillary supporters against the Bernie supporters and hope they can convince enough of them to not vote for the Democrat come November.

[Codeine]

43. Sadly I just read a thread

where several Bernistas were proudly proclaiming their willingness to vote Trump if The Anointed One fails to take down the windmill with his lance.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. Please post the link or e-mail it me.

I would never beg or instruct someone who to vote for . That's not how I roll...But if you give two shits about our Muslim brothers and sisters, our Latino brothers and sisters, our glbtq brothers and sisters, our African american brothers and sisters I don't see how you can look at yourself in the mirror if you didn't do what you could to stop Donald Trump at the ballot box.

[Codeine]

46. Here's a couple links.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1817045

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280182729#

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. On the second one

On the second one I wrote "I would literally bet my ---- they are all white" but my better angels compelled me to delete it.

[Codeine]

49. Pale and male.

It's how Outsider Candidates roll, by appealing to the insiderest people of all.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. The seminal poster posted it to scare us.

I see you are in Riverside. I am in the SFV.

I am white, of course. But I will cast my lot with POC before brogressives, that's for sure. I also prefer their company.

[Codeine]

51. I'm so white as to be transparent,

but even I'm not white enough for that lot.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. I know my Latino friends detest Trump and that's enough for me.

It is sad somebody with so much can pick on some folks who have so little. And most of the people Trump gets riled up have little experience with Latinos and even less negative experience with them.

Living in NYC, FL, and CA I have been around Latinos all my life.

[Demsrule86]

89. Report them

You can not support Trump here or encourage others to do so...they will hide that post as they should. I finally got around to reading skinners blurb on the subject...should have done it sooner. Feel so much better.

[bahrbearian]

8. The End is Coming

[Walk away]

10. It's sad when the only hope that Bernie has, is just a Republican wet dream!!!

[bahrbearian]

12. Its sad some who wraps them self around Obama, would back stab him.

[Walk away]

14. ....

[bahrbearian]

25. I'm sure Obama laughed when he heard Blumenthal was on the payroll.

[Walk away]

34. This stuff never gets old!

[bahrbearian]

36. Do you laugh at the death of children in the Middle East Too.

[Walk away]

39. ....

[Phlem]

101. Well your goddess voted for it.

I don't recall seeing anyone there twisting Hillary's arm to vote for the Iraq war.

[Walk away]

102. Hillary didn't "vote for the Iraq war". If I thought it would help....

I would bother to school you on exactly what that vote was for and what she said when she stood before the Senate and cast that vote. But I don't expect to influence you in any way. Why would I bother to enumerate the great things Hillary has done for women and children here and around the world. At this point our choices are made. I assure you that nothing you could possibly say would change my mind about anything.

All I have to do is GOTV and enjoy myself on Tuesday night and chat about it Wednesday morning!

[Phlem]

104. Oh please school me.

Here's this

Iraq War authorization

When President George W. Bush sought authorization to launch a war in Iraq in October 2002, Clinton and Sanders’ votes were split. Clinton, the junior senator from New York, voted yes. Sanders, then Vermont’s only representative, voted against it after delivering an impassioned speech on the House floor.

Clinton has since called her vote "a mistake."

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/sep/02/11-examples-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-hol/

How is that wrong?

[Walk away]

108. Why don't you read the full transcript of Hillary's speech on the floor and then come back and spin

But don't expect me to answer as I feel this has been a complete waste of time.

Enjoy Tuesday night! It's going to be a great party!

[Phlem]

110. So ya got nothing.

That's what I thought.

How fucking typical, can't debate the facts huh. I'm supposed to go read some bullshit document?

Fuck that.

Refute it! You can't can ya!

She Fucking Voted For The IRAQ WAR!

[Phlem]

105. Uh Oh. Here's another one of her lying her face off.

Refute this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511717607

[KingFlorez]

11. Sanders is not good enough to be anything but a by default winner

It's quite sad that his only hope is for something terrible to happen to his opponent.

[bahrbearian]

16. Its sad you would support someone who is constantly apologising for Mistakes.

[KingFlorez]

18. I'm supporting the most qualified candidate in the race

End of debate.

[bahrbearian]

20. Qualified in War , Regime Change ,Fracking,and making money running her mouth.

[k8conant]

66. That's your opinion.

[Walk away]

38. Better to be Bernie and incapable of apologizing to the parents of murdered children!

Nothing laughable about Bernie "I have a D rating" Sanders' callous votes against the Brady Bill and the bill that would allow the parents of murdered children to sue Gun makers.
Bernie (like Trump) loves to sue but when it comes to victims of gun violence, he decided to vote to keep his job in his "tiny rural state".

[ridgenvalley]

81. Ya mean like an indictment brought on by no one but herself?

Oh, yeah, i keep forgetting. That's never going to happen....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

13. "It's sad when the only hope that Bernie has, is just a Republican wet dream!!!"

" "

[bahrbearian]

19. Tell that to the Yemenis villagers who are dying from cluster bombs Hillary unleashed on them.

[bahrbearian]

22. So the FBI is Republican controlled

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. I thought we were discussing GOP wet dreams.

As I previously said I am down with them as long as they don't include indictments.

[OwlinAZ]

106. Believe the FBI has always been

a Republican leaning institution. Hoover's ghost lingers.

[bahrbearian]

23. Do you want to reply about Cluster Bombs

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Please see Post#27.

Thank you in advance.

[COLGATE4]

54. I heard that she actually flew the plane that dropped them!

[rock]

72. No, Now you're just making stuff up.

But she did fly the jet that delivered George w* to the aircraft carrier.

[COLGATE4]

109. I am easily confused by all the horrible shit

Hillary did. Sorry.

[k8conant]

67. Oh, did she soak her server before wiping it?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

73. I don't understand what you are talking about. Please elaborate?

Thank you in advance.

[rjsquirrel]

30. Welcome to Democratic Republic

The kind of misogynistic bullcrap you find on right wing sites is now here.


Frankly I hope Sanders' most sexist supporters do move to Trump. They're already there in style.

[bahrbearian]

35. Hillary's Democratic Republic.

[oasis]

40. You're all over the map with negativity on this thread. Hopefully

you can settle into a constructive occupation after Hillary gets the nomination.

[Walk away]

77. Bernie's only friend in Washington is James Inhofe!!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/13/politics/bernie-sanders-james-inhofe-friends/index.html

[riversedge]

48. Oh NOOZ--Did Bernie's Underground fly the coup??

[riversedge]

57. It is hard to tell the difference between RW and Sanders fans smears on this

Democratic Board.

[Democat]

61. This user should be banned from DU as a troll

This looks like a right wing meme directly from Free Republic.

[MineralMan]

15. And the Sanders Megabus rolls over Tad Devine.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. I actually rode it from L A to Vegas. It wasn't half bad.

If I wasn't a plebeian I would have flew, on a plane, of course.

[Walk away]

26. My Brother always says to ride the people's bus!!!

You meet a better class of people

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. We also took the Greyhound a couple of times from L A to Vegas.

My buddy who has a PhD in Applied Mathematics and I were joking around. He said he would rather hang out with parolees than intellectuals.

[Walk away]

75. That's funny. My Brother has his PhD in the Classics from Cornell and he...

pretty much hangs out with both. Sometimes they are the same person!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. My cousin went to Cornell, got homesick, and ended up going to Hunter College

Last edited Sat Apr 23, 2016, 08:15 PM - Edit history (2)

Another cousin went to Harvard and another went to Princeton. I was the dull one. I went to the University Of Central Florida and Florida State University.

[Walk away]

80. My late husband went to Hunter for Geology. He was a mountain climber.

Before we were married we lived on 57th St and at night we used to climb the Museum of Natural History and any building we could get away with. Memories!

Like you, all of my friends and family were Ivy League. I graduated from Fairleigh Dickenson University because they let me work my way through. I think that the two majors they offered were Dentistry and a Pharmaceutical MBA program (possibly worse than dull).

Keep up the good fight here Tuesday night is going to be a big party!!!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

82. I did post grad work in Government at FSU

I was there the year after Eleanor Smeal.

[Walk away]

87. She is a hero of mine and my Feminist Nieces!

She spoke at an event that I attended at Pace university years ago. What an inspiration!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

88. She didn't get her PhD and neither did I

I received an M.A. but I was twenty four hours and a dissertation short.

The reason I know she was there is because one of my profs told me.

[Walk away]

96. I can beat you there! I never finished my MS but it hasn't affected my ability to....

enjoy life!

[stonecutter357]

32. K&R!

[Octafish]

37. That must be why Bernie said he was staying in until everyone has voted.

Like most billionaires, Bezos really appreciates what his money can buy.

[Nanjeanne]

44. I think it's Winter Is Coming & it starts Sunday on HBO - GoT.

[blm]

52. I hope HRC supporters show some good sense to give Sanders voters some space

and not feel the need to rub this in at every drop of a press report.

Thank you. Kindness matters.

[Walk away]

91. Do you mean like the space they have given us for months????

Stalking us all over this site and picking us off one by one??? Or maybe the space they gave us when they routinely trolled out private forum and baited Hillary supporters into ridiculous and undeserved hides????

They are going to take their space back in November when Hillary becomes the POTUS! Then they can spend all day insulting, demeaning and lying about President Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party. Face it. It will be even worse than what they did to President Obama and this time they won't wait a year.

[SFnomad]

58. Sanders may have a quiet finish, but the BS cheerleaders are going to go kicking and screaming n/t

[Rosa Luxemburg]

59. Bernie is not giving up

He said he would be staying in the race

[Democat]

63. Good for him as long as he's got a chance to win

I just wish that both sides would stop bashing Democrats and get back to fighting Republicans.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

64. the media and Clinton's campaign are doing their best to shove him out

[OwlinAZ]

107. from the beginning

the collusion between the Clinton wing and the media has been unrelenting.

[UMTerp01]

62. ...

[k8conant]

68. Hillary stayed in through the voting in 2008

[UMTerp01]

69. And I have always said that Bernie should stay in too

Still won't change the ending

[ridgenvalley]

71. Bernie has promised to take it to the convention.

I do not believe he will renege on that. Every progressive that wants the D party to turn left will have a chance to say so with a primary vote for Bernie, and a voice at the convention. I feel sure of that.
And the happiest vote I will have cast in my entire 60 years will be made this Tuesday, in PA.
Thank you, Senator Sanders.

[snowy owl]

79. It's a movement. He wants clout at convention. Hillary didn't quit, why should he?

This constant prediction of his campaign's imminent demise is getting old.

[senz]

84. Oh, you wish.

[puffy socks]

85. It looks to me like he said a whole lot of nothing.

Take out the little dig at Clinton he adds for distraction (i.e., "And I can tell you, I got a lot of push-back from the Clinton campaign at the time, when I published that piece. "


"I argued that super-delegates should wait, should look and listen to what the voters do, and follow"


The super delegates should wait until the Convention. (For what it's worth, I agree.)

"And I think if they do, all the way through the end of the voting, that will strengthen our party, and certainly strengthen our hand — if we succeed with voters between now and June.”

Succeeding "with voters between now and June" is subjective. What is his definition of success?

"...and certainly strengthen our hand"

Strengthen their hand for what? Trying to overturn super delegates at the convention against the will of the voters?
Pushing Hillary further left? Swaying Bernie supporters to vote for Hillary as Bernie had said months ago?

He is just speaking out of both sides of his mouth. If he never makes a decisive statement that he would never try to overturn super delegates, he then has to stick to it or it labels the campaign "yuuuge hypocrites" as it is a large part of Sanders' platform, but they've already hinted that that is what they are going to do. It's a sad attempt to, sort of, walk back the statement without actually walking it back either.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

90. If he goes quietly (or, not) it will be our task to hold her feet to the fire.

[JumpinJehosaphat]

111. It isn't incumbent on Bernie to quiet down the campaign. Clinton and her surrogates need

to acknowledge both the extraordinary support garnered by Bernie and the core democratic ideals that he has championed. Clinton and her supporters need Bernie more that the other way around.