Bernie: Calling the Hillary NY Cheating "Disgraceful" is Not Enough, It Was Illegal. Do Something.

[silvershadow]

As the major media, once again, parrots Hillary's "win" in a primary without even a hint of the anger boiling beneath the headlines, due to what can only be called blatant voter suppression tactics, Senator Sanders stumbles but can recover. No, Senator Sanders, what has been happening is not "a disgrace," as you have remarked previously about Arizona and now New York. It is illegal. That is a big difference.

No less a personage than the NYC Comptroller, whose job it is to crunch numbers when something looks fishy, has called into question, by implication, the New York primary results. Comptroller Scott Stringer has "confirmed" that "more than 125,000 voters in Brooklyn were removed from voter rolls." Brooklyn is one of five NY Boroughs. Multiply that by five and you get 625,000 voters. And that's just the city. 1.7 million voters officially turned out for the NY Democratic primary. It takes no genius to see that's a game changer, and a big one.

Comptroller Stringer said in a scathing press release: “There is nothing more sacred in our nation than the right to vote, yet election after election, reports come in of people who were inexplicably purged from the polls, told to vote at the wrong location or unable to get in to their polling site,” Comptroller Stringer said. “The people of New York City have lost confidence that the Board of Elections..."

Stringer is a Hillary superdelegate. And even he says it stinks. You can't get politically covered any better than that.

more: http://hubpages.com/politics/Bernie-Saying-the-Hillary-Cheating-is-Disgraceful-is-Not-Enough

[felix_numinous]

1. We should petition Bernie

to call NY election purge illegal. Call it, because this election is already FUBARd, we all know it, so let's clean it up now, and nip this future in the bud.

Every vote matters--either everyone's vote is counted or this election doesn't mean anything. Enough bullshit already.

[pnwmom]

2. This is nonsense. Both poll aggregators, 538 and RCP, predicted a 15 point win.

Hillary got 16 points. The election wasn't stolen.

She had large majorities in every NYC borough, so if the vote purge hurt anyone, it was Hillary.

[rjsquirrel]

4. They just can't accept it

Notice that now they blame it directly on the HRC campaign?

Likely most of the lost votes were for Clinton. If more had voted shed have won by 20%.

Sore losers.

[Petrushka]

5. Interesting how Sanders won the majority of New York counties despite Clinton victory.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/276936-sanders-wins-majority-of-ny-counties-despite-clinton

[randome]

9. It doesn't matter when votes are tallied according to DISTRICTS, not counties.

You should have seen that in this forum already.
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[Kip Humphrey]

29. Incorrect: votes are tallied by counties; delegates are allocated according to districts.

a minor point.

[randome]

39. Well, I had the GIST of it right! Okay, thanks for the correction.

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[Petrushka]

56. What? "You should have seen that in this forum already."?

I haven't been online for a couple days . . . but . . . "...should have"? Whoa!
Does that mean I'm obligated to see anything or everything in this or any other forum---already?

[pnwmom]

15. Manhattan and the other boroughs have many more voters than all those upstate counties put together.

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It doesn't matter how many low-population rural counties he carried.

He still got hundreds of thousands fewer voters, because voters in that state are heavily concentrated in the NYC metro area. And that was Hillary territory.

[Lizzie Poppet]

41. "Manhattan and its boroughs..."

Wut?

[pnwmom]

42. yeah, yeah, I should have said "the other boroughs."

[Lizzie Poppet]

44. No worries!

I went to college in Manhattan, so that gave me a chuckle.

[pnwmom]

45. To me, Manhattan always seemed to be at the center of everything, but I'm sure

the residents of the other boroughs wouldn't appreciate that perspective.

[Agschmid]

20. This counties narrative is bunk.

First counties don't really matter, districts do. Second NY is a big state, there are lots of counties with very small comparative pollinations to NYC, if you want to win the state you need to win the cities (Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Albany, NYC) and Hillary won all but one of those.

The minute she carried Rochester it was over, I was SHOCKED she won Rochester, I lived there and thought Sanders had it in the bag.

[reformist2]

6. Sorry, your polls mean nothing in the face of evidence of voter suppression and widespread incompete

The results of the New York primary are not acceptable. As in, we reject them. Either remedies must be made to right the wrongs of this past primary, or a new one must be called.

[sufrommich]

8. "We" who? It should be pretty obvious to Sanders

supporters by now that Sanders isn't blaming Hillary Clinton for his New York loss because he knows she won it fair and square.

[pnwmom]

16. "We reject them."

[COLGATE4]

36. I am absolutely astounded by the incredible arrogance I'm

seeing in a lot of the 'I hate Hillary' posts here. They're usually one of two flavors: 1) I will never vote for Hillary and, if she's the nominee I'm leaving the party" and 2) The elections were unfair - WE demand that such and such happen immediately. Both of these really translate into "I'm upset Bernie didn't do what we thought he was going to do so something has to happen to make me feel better". Maybe we need a 'hug' smilie to give to these folks.

[Setsuna1972]

58. Who is we ???

I don't recall asking you to speak for me

[Adrahil]

60. What evidence do you have that Sanders supporters were targeted?

In almost every state, Clinton WAY outperforms Sanders with registered Democrats. But because YOUR guy lose, suddenly you expect that trend to reverse?

This is fucking ridiculous. Some of you people have lost your fucking minds.

[beedle]

27. Yet in all counties other than in the NYC area

Bernie blew away those predictions.

In all "heavy Clinton' predicted counties, Bernie took all but two, both of which were narrow Clinton wins. In all 'leaning Clinton' counties, Bernie won those in what were essentially landslides ... vast majority of them over 10%, majority of those over 15%, and several over 30 & 40% ... and remember those were the 'leaning Hillary' counties ... we're not even getting into the predicted Bernie counties.

It's only when we get to the counties where there was vast voter suppression that Hillary starts to 'turn things around'.

Maybe you're right, and the NYC boroughs were all Hillary, and the purge only hurt her ... but since the poll aggregators were so far off in the rest of the state, there's really no reason to simply accept that they were totally accurate when it came to just one section of the state.

But that's fine, she 'won', so let's give her that advantage and move on, but let's also recognize that the primary voting system across the country has been one big example of a corrupted system at work, and give the 'election results' all the due respect they deserve ie. not a whole lot ... they are good enough to determine if the candidate is 'competitive', but given the corruption in the vote, the process, the dirty tricks, that's about all they are good for ... if the candidate is not 'blown out', then they should go to the convention where the decision can be made on issues other than JUST the corrupt primary system.

[glowing]

38. Between the voter purges, changing party affiliation, and the exit polls mismatching the vote totals

I truly believe NY is the state that makes it clear to Democrats, that it is Democratic establishment that is pulling Republican tactics. NY is in large part, run by Democrats. Wall St and the banks are HUGE influence in politics. If Bernie wins, they lose. It wouldn't surprise me that they already had the voting tabulations set for a margin of win percentage... They may have overplayed the hand with that because of all the purged and changed registrations?

The reality is the split should have been closer to 52/ 48 with the win going to Clinton. The delegates would essentially be split and the narrative coming out of NY would have been completely different than the one we heard.... Essentially, everyone wants Sanders to pull out, pull back, quit attacking Hillary's record. If he pulled out of the election now, he loses delegates. If he stays in, the likelihood of either candidate reaching the magic number with pledged delegates is unlikely. It then comes down to Super delegates and what is happening in the world in July. By then, she may be indicted over her e-mails. AND boy do I wish Sander's hadn't said, "who gives a damn about the e-mails" because as light and investigation is showing, its a bigger deal than initially anyone thought when the right was on the attack.. It looked like another smear attack like Benghazi.

AND why in the world has he not hammered home the point that she's under FBI investigation? I'm not sure many Americans are even aware of this fact? Fox noise knows, the right knows. Between this and the Goldman speeches most likely coming to the light in the General, I do believe, she could very much lose. I'm not so sure any voting manipulation, tabulations could save her if polling going into a GE shows her significantly down or that many Dems aren't voting or choosing "other"... And independents (43% of the country now), chooses not to vote or ends up sliding back down to vote for the Republican.. AND if it is Trump, he may surprise the heck out of the left when he starts grabbing hold of popular progressive ideas. AS in money out of politics (he's not bought and is an issue in ALL of America), and when he adopts the idea of Medicare for All. Many business leaders and multi-national corporations would be just fine with the US govt taking over the health care costs of its employees. Its a huge cost burden, takes up most people's "raise" money every year, and is a private company subsidizing another private company in a completely inefficient model. Trump is a business man. He has supported this idea in the past. And I'm sure he understands that 80% of the country finds medicare a really good thing, and expanding the program to grab young, healthy, working people's into the money pot is "good business". From there, they can still have some sort of 80/ 20 split with insurance companies. Or the health insurance companies switch direction to sell to the public "catestrophic" policies. So, if you become very sick, like accident or cancer, they pay out cost of living help so you can take time off and still pay your mortgage. Or the companies are paid by the govt directly to manage the Medicare for All... I'm sure with a Republican in charge, they would figure out some sort of scam to keep the private insurance companies floating somehow.. Or the CEO/ Boards will figure out some way to grab all that medicare money coming into the govt coffers.

[pnwmom]

40. Links please. I've never seen any pre-election polls based on NY counties.

Manhattan and the other boroughs have more residents than all the other counties combined. And those areas were always expected to be strong for Hillary, because of high numbers of women voters, African Americans, and Hispanics.

[beedle]

47. here you go

http://www.benchmarkpolitics.com/2016/04/new-york-state-only-non-city.html

This is the projected results map:



Here are the actual results outside of the NYC area:



Notice how projects only seem to be accurate where election fraud would harvest the most 'efficient' results? And we know that there was voter purging, that's an established fact ... but of course, this case of fraud, including all the other cases (known about so far) in previous primaries of this campaign season, all of which somehow ended up in Hillary's favor, were all just 'coincidences', and with totally no effect on the 'real' results!?!?

[pnwmom]

48. Okay, so they made this map. But where is the underlying data that they used

to make all these predictions? I don't see any polls backing up the predictions, so what was their basis for making them?

[beedle]

57. Read their FAQ

They use polls, demographics, past voting patterns, and a few other factors ... their results seem to match up in most other states where there was no election fraud reported.

All you have to do is look at their Benchmarks and compare them to the results (go to the NY Times results pages where there are color coded maps, making it relatively easy to compare the color coded benchmarks with the color coded maps.)

[dreamnightwind]

70. Wow, thanks, I have been looking for that kind of info

I thought a demographic analysis of the disenfranchised would be revealing. This comes at it from another angle, and it sure doesn't look right, at all.

[Downwinder]

3. The most important thing for a Government to do

is to constitute itself legally.

In the U.S. we do that by election. If the election is illegal then the Government so formed will be illegal.

[reformist2]

7. They even admit to widespread incompetence, but still want us to "move on".

[randome]

10. No, we don't. We expect de Blasio to complete his investigation.

Of course no one will be considered impartial to the die-hard Sanders supporters so no satisfaction will be found.
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[reformist2]

12. But you don't want to do what it takes to let these voters have their voices heard. That would mean

putting an asterisk next to Hillary's win in New York until these hundreds of thousands of voters are able to cast their votes.

[randome]

17. Even if every voter who missed out is counted as a Sanders voter, he would still lose.

Math again.
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[Uncle Joe]

25. I don't believe Bernie would've won New York without the voter suppression but the race would be

much closer in that state.

There were enough purged voters to give a Bernie a win in Brooklyn.

[randome]

11. Notice how the author implies that Sanders blamed Clinton when he did not.

More political rat-fucking.
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[reformist2]

13. The author implied Camp Hillary, not Hillary personally. The elite rarely get their hands dirty.

[randome]

14. No, look at the headline: "Bernie: Calling the Hillary NY Cheating..."

Sanders did not say that. It's not in quotes but the implication is clear. It's grade-school level journalism.
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[Tarc]

18. "...the Hillary NY Cheating..."

A user-generated content (i.e. no editorial oversight) website makes a spurious claim without supporting evidence, and the Sanders camp laps it up...

[JaneyVee]

19. Bernie....you lost. Move on

[Agschmid]

21. Ridiculous OP title.

Not shocked by that.

[Jitter65]

22. When you find out that some so-called "cheaters" were Bernie supporters what will you say?

Calling Hillary a cheater because people tried to vote who were not eligible is just another reason the sides will have difficulty in coming together.

[pdsimdars]

23. Agree

[yardwork]

24. Bernie has not actually said this.

Also, the REPUBLICAN responsible for purging 100,000 Democrats from the voting rolls in Brooklyn is suspended and under investigation.

[beedle]

30. Funny that.

The Democrat in charge was not suspended, but her Republican underling was.

Not defending Republican's they're even more corrupt, but in this case it seems like scapegoating once again protects the real source of the corruption.

[yardwork]

62. The Republican admitted doing it.

[beedle]

63. Admitted doing regular 'cleaning'

... not taking complete building and city blocks off the list.

Like I said, 'scapegoat' ... scapegoats can also be guilty, but they always are cover for the higher ups.

[yardwork]

67. Paranoia loses its value when it distracts from the real problem.

Blaming Hillary makes the problem appear to be very small and centric around one person. In truth, voter suppression is the fundamental plank of the Republican Party. It's the only way they can win.

[beedle]

69. Right, Republicans are fixing the results for Hillary?

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4g3x5h/investigative_journalism_why_bernie_may_have/

[Squinch]

26. Welp, here goes Sanders under the bus. We all knew it was coming.

[Trust Buster]

28. "Hillary New York cheating" ? I saw no evidence in the OP that points to Hillary.

Is it common on DU to allow vicious criminal allegations to be allowed without any evidence being offered ? This thread is a disgrace. LOCK IT !!!!!

[Onlooker]

31. I like the backward Bernie symbol at the bottom of your post n/t

[SidDithers]

32. Primary results, according to Bernie supporters...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/04/23/1519051/-Updated-map-of-Dem-primary



Sid

[Buzz Clik]

35. +1. This will be my response to all the whining from this point forward.

Well, at least until MD, CT, and PA are turned yellow or red on Tuesday.

[SidDithers]

37. Full credit to brookynite, who posted it last night...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511814335



Sid

[pnwmom]

43. LOL

[beedle]

49. Speaking of fraud

Notice the results here? Anything strange pop out at you?




Where in NY State did they discover known and admitted cases of election fraud again?

[obamanut2012]

55. hahahaha this is perfect

stealing

[Agnosticsherbet]

33. Opinion Blog

LOL

[Buzz Clik]

34. Speaking of disgraceful, the title of the OP is packed with known lies.

Hillary did not make the decision of whom to purge, and the person who decided is a Republican.

Bernie has not called out Hillary for cheating.

[dreamnightwind]

71. That Republican is implicated in a large real estate payoff

and that whole affair has a Clinton connection. Too busy to dig it up right now, but you've probably seen it.

edit to add: I just ran into this, so might as well throw it in here. From the comments at the end of this article:
http://usuncut.com/politics/brooklyn-voter-purge-official-fired/

This has the Hillary Campaign written all over it, here is what I came up with, all verifiable on the web: Diane Haslett-Rudiano owned 118 West 76th Street, a brownstone that she purchased in 1976 for $5,000. She never rented or moved into the property letting it fall into an abysmal state of disrepair. In the September of 2014 the property was purchased from Diane Haslett-Rudiano in a private sale by Holliswood 76 LLC, headed by Dana Lowey Luttway, a developer and daughter of U.S. Rep. Nita Lowey (D, N.Y.) for the incredible price of $6.6 million. Read the last name here, "Rep. Nita Lowey", an endorser of Hillary Clinton for President. The average list price for similar properties, that are not in an abysmal state of disrepair, are about 4.7 million. Sound fishy?!

[seabeyond]

46. Stating "Hillary NY Cheating" is pretty disgusting and dishonest in itself.

[brooklynite]

50. Bernie hasn't challenged the outcome of any other race(*); why start now...

(* he joined the lawsuit that DNC and Clinton filed against Arizona).

[seabeyond]

51. Right. It was Clinton, Democrats that called Arizona out and in NY immediately the

Democrats. Sanders? Mouth off and then walked away for others to do the work.

[MadBadger]

52. Gutter OP

[haikugal]

53. Why yell at Bernie? He has said he can't do this alone. If you live in an area where there was

Election fraud, voter fraud or ballot tampering it's up to you to do what needs to be done. All of us have to get involved and organize. We can do this if we stick together

[dreamnightwind]

72. That was also my problem with the OP - eom

[hrmjustin]

54. Hillary was the target in Brooklyn not Sanders.

More Hillary supporters were targeted not Sanders.

Just look at the neighborhoods that wrre targeted and those that were not.

[rbrnmw]

59. What a Bullshit title

[Codeine]

64. Consider the source.

The OP has declared that they may vote for Trump.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280182729#post32

This place has shit the bed.

[rbrnmw]

66. bouncing off the walls

[J_J_]

61. Bernie defended the Bush 'win' in Ohio 2004

Progressives will have to fight election fraud without Bernie.

I don't understand how he can see the conspiracy with the Bankers and other crap that has been going on...

but he doesn't think the elites will try to steal elections?

[B Calm]

65. Link to the story would be nice.

[Adrahil]

68. There is NO reason to believe Bernie was somehow the target of this.

My candidate won, and I want to get to the bottom of the problem. But unless somehow can tell me how they identified the pro-Bernie targets of this, I see no reason to believe this was some sort of conspiracy.