Undecided in California but hate the idea of voting for hillary

[agnostic102]

As a small business owner in california, through hard work and risk iv been able to build a middle class life for my family. I pay my employees above the california minimum wage law and my managers almost double the california minimum wage. The taxes in some of sanders ideas scares me as im not sure how it would affect my business. Iv worked really hard for what i have and the idea of losing it does scare me.

THAT BEING SAID.. although hillary might be better for me as a small business tax wise.. her war mongering is something i cannot get over.

I remember in 2001 when we were going into afghanistan.. being from the middle east and seeing 9-11 on tv and the emotions involved i certainly understand the need to take out osama.. i understand the need to defend our selves.. But then came the iraq war.

The iraq war.. the master plan drawn up by cheney (always believed bush was too stupid to think of the iraq war by himself) and the neocons in office.. I KNEW it would be a disaster. My family fought in the front lines of the iran iraq war in the 80s not by choice but because our homes were right on the boarder where the war took place. I knew how hard war is first hand.

But that didnt stop cheney and CO to go to over and the democrats in congress to go a long.. one of them was hillary.. now shes apologised for iraq and said she was misled.. misled how? by her nose into going into a war that has cost us so much? okay fine.. ill take your word for it. BUT.. wait a second.. the bush presidency ended in 08.. cheney was gone.. but NOT CLINTON.. oh she continued..

The next war for her was libya.. turning that country into a terrorist haven that al quida and isis could dream off.. but see that wasnt enough for her.. next for her was SYRIA.. i mean this women HAS NOT FUCKING SEEN A WAR SHE DOESNT LIKE and im sorry but bush has been fucking gone for 8 years and this women is still at it!! or was.. and she will be if she becomes president.

Think about this for one second.. if she supports another war lets call it ukraine during her presidency.. that means she has been supported part of or directed and personaly been involved in 5 wars in 16 years... and im just tired of war.. im tired of it.. i dont want us in iraq.. in libya , or syria.. and sure as hell not ukraine or ANY country.. and thats why i hate the idea of having to vote for her here in California. I hate the idea of voting for someone that it seems as if her hobby and past time is to get us military involved in some conflict somewhere.

[MFM008]

1. Sorry

First of All I have lived in Libya/Middle East/Africa seen that part of the world.
Second: It sounds like you have made up your mind.
( I strongly supported the Clinton Kosovo intervention.
He should have intervened sooner or allowed the Bosnians arms to protect themselves from genocide .)
Third:I did not support anything Bush did but it was a lie led by Colin Powell of all people.
My own Senator Maria Cantwell voted for the war while Patty Murray did not.
I have continued to vote for Maria Cantwell.
Why assume when she is in charge she will throw our military at every skirmish in the world?
Cant happen.

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[elleng]

2. Your hesitation on this basis is correct: How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk

Throughout her career she has displayed instincts
on foreign policy that are more aggressive than
those of President Obama — and most Democrats.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/24/magazine/how-hillary-clinton-became-a-hawk.html?

As to concerns about business, it thrives with a strong middle class, and will do so again when we're soundly grounded, NOT like what appears to be happening now.

The economy is supposed to be doing well, gdp/gnp and all that, but the reality in people's homes and minds differs.

One piece: GDP as a trick for masking neo-colonialism http://www.democraticunderground.com/111677732

another: Recession Watch: Inventory Glut, Iffy Consumer Demand Sink US Freight Volume http://www.democraticunderground.com/111677724

[Unicorn]

6. Yes. And when she said her campaign was going to go scorched earth

two weeks ago, I took great offense at that warhawks' language.

That is the way she thinks.

When it comes to war I think about the people who are getting bombed. I don't think she would concern herself with who the bombs hit. I'm positive Bernie would.

[Waiting For Everyman]

3. What makes you think Hillary won't raise your taxes?

How do you know hers wouldn't be worse? If she needs to raise taxes, she isn't going to put the bill on her billionaire friends, so who do you think would end up paying it?

In Bernie's plan, you probably aren't rich enough to be hit with much of a difference in taxes, the increases are to go to those way up the scale.

Also, the best economists have said that Sanders policies would increase the whole economy by so much that everyone would be doing better, which would offset an increase if there was one.

Best reason though, Bernie is a trustworthy person but Hillary is totally corrupt. She'd be doing deals right and left that would be harming real people like un-billionaires.

[Onlooker]

4. Then vote for Bernie, but ...

... my guess, based on the Bill Clinton presidency and her general soothing of world tensions as Secretary of State, is that she will largely continue Obama's foreign policy.

Her support for the Arab Spring was bold and was good. It was the first time in decades that moderate and progressive Arabs had a voice and were able to demonstrate their power. The Arab Spring I think is still unfolding and in Libya, while there were certainly setbacks, there are also signs of progress.

I also think that Hillary feels she has to act tough because the United States has a very hard time electing women, and if she took a different position she'd be labeled as "weak."

I really don't think she's all that much of a hawk. The primary currency of war these days is more and more international trade, and my guess is that will remain the case.

[pat_k]

5. Sounds like your main worry is taxes if Bernie's agenda is enacted.

Under Bernie's plans, the progressive tax structure would be designed so that the costs of the benefits fall on those who can best afford it.

For example, if your earned income from the business after expenses is between about $100,000 and $200,000, and if Bernie's agenda were enacted as proposed, your federal tax rate would probably go up about 5%. If your earned income is more than $200,000 the tax rate for the portion over $200,000 will be somewhat higher. If over $300,000, the rate for the portion over $300,000 would be a somewhat higher than that.

Tax rate for passive income from investments would increase to a rate closer to the rate for earned income.

If your earned income is under $100,000, federal tax rate would probably stay about the same.

But if his agenda is enacted, you'd have benefits like universal health care and would therefore be saving the premiums, deductibles, and co-pays associated with your private health insurance. For people whose earned income is under $200,000 the healthcare savings are likely to be greater than the tax increase.

If other workers are making a living wage, they will be better able to afford things -- perhaps things or services you offer.

If you think the nation as a whole will benefit under Bernie's agenda, vote for Bernie.

Even if Bernie doesn't get the numbers needed to win the nomination, when you vote for him, you are telling the Democratic Party that you want to see them stand up for his agenda.

[agnostic102]

9. thank you

for this explanation and it looks like id fall under the 5 percent increase.. i guess i could afford that. HELL if i have to pay an extra 5 percent in taxes and everyone in this country got single payer insurance. I would make the sacrifice willingly. but i have a feeling as long as republicans have a say this will never happen.

One thing i will never understand from conservatives. Do they not realize how much the economy gets hit every time a family has to file bankruptcy when they face a large medical bill?

[pat_k]

10. I've given up trying to fathom what's in the minds of...

...of those who oppose universal health care and a living wage.

Aside from the damage done when people lose it all due to illness, they seem to ignore all the benefits. In a worldwide economy, when you have a business that must cover the cost of providing health insurance to employees competing with one overseas that does not have that expense, who will come out on top?

And, as far as a living wage, there are so many people now who just can't cover day-to-day expenses, much less deal with an emergency. A majority of the increase in earnings a living wage would provide would be spent. That money is being injected back into the economy, increasing economic activity, creating more jobs.

[Joob]

7. I'm not a small business owner but I was a soldier

And we have to get corruption out of politics, We can't fight any more wars for corporations. I'm not an idiot. Corporations don't donate to you because they like you. She used the State department as a tool for for the Clinton Foundation. She will do the same for POTUS and that's a scary fucking thought.

[HereSince1628]

8. This is really pretty simple, don't do what you would hate to do.

The idea of voting is voting -for- someone who will best represent your interests through their elected position.

We can't always vote and win.

But we usually can decide to cast a vote that we don't hate.

To spend life casting votes you hate, suggests there is a problem with your relationship with candidates for elected office. That problem either exists with the candidates personalities/character/positions or in your consideration of them.

I have faith that you can work that out in a manner that will give you peace of mind.