2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo all the Bernie supporters, did you vote for Hillary or Obama?
Need to send a buck or seventy so I can do a poll LOL
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #52)
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I was. Therefore there is a record of who i supported in 2008.
marble falls
(57,112 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)SwampG8r
(10,287 posts)No interest in her for either then or now
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Hillary? Hell no, I'd sooner make a dinner date a raccoon.
DamnYankeeInHouston
(1,365 posts)A better person. A better candidate with better positions.
demmiblue
(36,865 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Anything questions?
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)and I am not voting for Hillary for the same reasons I didn't before.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)Makes me worry for the bug.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)2008 and 2012. Worked on campaign both times in VA. and Democratic Party poll observer in 2008 and 2012.
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Precinct committeeman locally. And drove to Iowa to walk & knock.
snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Joob
(1,065 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,378 posts)Barack_America
(28,876 posts)Just kidding.
musicblind
(4,484 posts)I voted democrat in the midterms and Obama in 2012.
I was supporting Hillary at the start of this primary. However, the debates and specifically one townhall where she responded to a question about the death penalty, swayed me to vote for Bernie this time around. I'm hoping he can get the nomination. I know it seems less likely after New York and I know the math is extremely hard, BUT there is always hope until the very end and we haven't reached the end. June 14th is the last election.
That said, if Hillary gets the nomination, I will certainly vote for Hillary and I will help campaign or her just as I helped to campaign for Obama. I do not think she would be a bad president. Not at all. I just think Bernie would be a better one.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)I was really excited about both Clinton and Obama, but Clinton's campaign just repulsed me. This time around she's even worse.
beltanefauve
(1,784 posts)Her campaign in 2008 was disgusting, and you're right, this year is even worse. Voted for Obama twice and never looked back. I'm so done with both Clintons after defending them for years, no matter what. It's pretty freeing to not have to keep defending them.
senz
(11,945 posts)SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)2008 GE: Obama
2012 GE: Rocky Anderson
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Primary and GE.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)femmedem
(8,203 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I was an Obama maniac
k8conant
(3,030 posts)raging moderate
(4,306 posts)Every chance I got.
cloudythescribbler
(2,586 posts)I can't say whether the Hillary supporters are meaner this cycle (probably so, but in part Bernie's campaign and supporters have been harsher than Obama's were) but had Hillary Clinton won then, there might very well have been much more difficulty uniting the party than with the Obama victory. It is true that the Bernie v Hillary fight coincides sharply with an ideological split in the Democratic Party (though that is NOT so clearly true of her base, which many of her supporters here on DU don't recognize or admit). In 08 I had the hope that Barack Obama, though clearly not a solid-line progressive like a Kucinich or a Sanders or some other figures (eg going back to Ron Dellums and others many years back) would at least straddle the difference b/t the progressive and neoliberal wing of the party. But although both Barack Obama AND Bernie Sanders started out running the kind of strictly "positive" campaigns that usually 'lose pretty' in politics, Obama was clearly ahead from the start, and managed to absolutely not even part-way descend to the (basic politics, not more sleazy than other mainstream Democrats usually) level of Hillary Clinton and her surrogates. But Obama was an unusually superb campaigner, and Bernie, though a clear-cut progressive, has PART-WAY come out swinging, though the suggestion from a chorus of voices that his campaign has been ANY more negative than Hillary's is nonsense.
I think that this cycle, due to the deep ideological divisions, and a degree of electoral purity on the part of many fellow Sanderistas (I don't get it, Bernie isn't pure, as Hillary's supporters point out ad nauseum) that isn't my approach, but ESPECIALLY the attitude, seen in posts today, including many in the Hillary group where Bernie supporters get systematically kicked out (over 800 including yours truly), is sure to make it difficult -- should she be the nominee -- to get Bernie supporters all or almost all lined up behind Hillary.
Basically, it makes sense, if the election is AT ALL close (which some don't think likely), to try to focus in on the swing states and get Democrats who don't want to support the Party nominee at least to do so IN THOSE STATES. I won't be voting for Jill Stein here in MA, but on the other hand, I see no reason to sweat others who would, if the Democratic nominee is Hillary Clinton.
laruemtt
(3,992 posts)and when that wonderful man, Bernie Sanders, announced his run, I was ecstatic!!! There is NOTHING that could ever make me consider voting for H.C. Note: I am a 64. yr. old woman.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Glad to be here!
jillan
(39,451 posts)him elected.
unc70
(6,115 posts)Obama of course in 2012.
Had started as Edwards in 2008. Then moved to Clinton during the primaries. How Clinton handled things in the primaries slowly eroded my support, things like Michigan. After watching Obama (and SOS Clinton) in office for a while, I conclude it was fortunate that it was Obama who had been elected. In the years since, my opinion of Clinton has gone steadily downward and I now dread the prospect of her presidency. And I hope like Hell that we don't screw up and somehow see a Repub get elected.
Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Looks pretty consistent so far!
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Obama all the way. I knew, as soon as I heard his 2004 speech, he would be our next President. Never doubted it for a minute. And even though I'm not happy with everything he's done (or not done), and he's too conservative for me, I'm still proud of him and his many successes.
In 92, I wanted either Brown or Tsongas, but in the GE, I voted Bill because I was a loyal Dem. I voted for him again in 96 because I was a loyal dem. Again I was disappointed by him.
Never got the "attraction" so many had for Bill. Never liked Hillary at all.
emulatorloo
(44,133 posts)ForgoTheConsequence
(4,869 posts)...
pandora nm
(63 posts)and i already miss him!
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)Voted for him in the GE twice too. Worked for his campaign once.
I've never passed up an opportunity to work against Clinton either. I'm convinced America would be a better place if Jonathan Tasini's primary campaign against her in 2006 had been successful. She's just the worst.
senz
(11,945 posts)in a sequence of events, and then we'd never have had to deal with Hill at all.
Too bad time travel isn't a thing yet.
LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Beartracks
(12,816 posts)===============
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)Is that close enough?
Bread and Circus
(9,454 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Birds just can't get behind Hillary.
In 2008, it was how we were all elitists, college educated, white, latte-sipping, sushi eating, liberals?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2008/03/obama_debunking_the_latte_liberal_myth.html
Ned_Devine
(3,146 posts)Jackilope
(819 posts)I wanted hope and change, not enabling the oligarchy.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)What Sanders supporters value and what Hillary supporters value are worlds apart.
Beartracks
(12,816 posts)CanadaexPat
(496 posts)NEOhiodemocrat
(912 posts)all three times.
LostOne4Ever
(9,289 posts)Blue Meany
(1,947 posts)talked about poverty so I voted for him.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)then John Edwards. By the time Alaska's caucus rolled around, only Clinton and Obama were left, my two last choices. My husband went for Barack and I went for Hillary because she was terribly outnumbered and I felt sorry for her.
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)And you are one of the Hillary supporters that I haven't felt compelled to ignore. (In almost 12 years I never used the ignore feature, but over the past month I've had to remove several from my sight to keep from responding in ways that might get me in trouble.)
7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)So what did you hope to accomplish with this OP?
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)it was with enthusiasm. The second time, no enthusiasm. And now I'm in a place of negative enthusiasm. They would have to lend me some enthusiasm this year, for me to have any good feelings about this election.
Vinca
(50,279 posts)He didn't vote for the war in Iraq, Hillary did. He spoke from the heart while Hillary was scripted. Just like 2016.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I wanted someone who hadnt voted for the IWR.
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mmonk
(52,589 posts)thomservo
(147 posts)TrueDemVA
(250 posts)Obama each time. Hillary has always been bad candidate. I have never voted for a Republican and will not start now. Will never vote for a Clinton.
flor-de-jasmim
(2,125 posts)think
(11,641 posts)fluffyclouds
(51 posts)I didnt vote at all in the last election since it didnt seem like there was much difference in the two.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)And who cares about congress not to mention state or local races/issues?
Is that what you mean?
ms liberty
(8,580 posts)I began 08 wanting Gore to run; by the time of the Primary vote here, I supported Obama. I saw him three times that campaign, once before our primary in a high school gym in nearby Hickory NC, and then during the GE in Charlotte and again in Greensboro. I have never been a Hillary supporter.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)My basic problem was his early alignment with the big money politics. Yes, that was a problem I thought he shared with HRC.
But on balance it seemed to me his campaign was less militant and more interested in long neglected domestic needs. So did the Nobel committee.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Rob H.
(5,352 posts)JesterCS
(1,827 posts)Karma13612
(4,552 posts)Autumn
(45,109 posts)I'll tell you, the same ones who despise Bernie now.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)But they hate having it pointed out to them.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)#Not With Her
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)2banon
(7,321 posts)didn't like her then, don't like her now.
and that's putting it politely.
Sky Masterson
(5,240 posts).
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Spirochete
(5,264 posts)marlakay
(11,477 posts)Tried to draft Gore when he didn't get in campaigned for Obama.
Xyzse
(8,217 posts)I was so sad when they became the front runners.
I didn't believe in Obama, and did not trust Clinton.
When it was just the two of them, I went and supported Hillary considering her to have the better ground level support and would be able to set up her cabinet far faster than Obama.
Many of the problems that Obama has is due to him being unable to fill his cabinet, and in the end opting to keep the Bush era appointments in place.
When the two became the front runners, my interest in politics waned, as I still feel that I had to lower expectations.
jpmonk91
(290 posts)Obama was my first presidential election
marble falls
(57,112 posts)And of course I voted in the primaries for him, too.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)KPN
(15,646 posts)But that was before I knew he leaned neolib.
awake
(3,226 posts)Faux pas
(14,681 posts)then Obama.
astrophuss42
(290 posts)I wouldn't have done otherwise but wish I knew then what I know now.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)I was proud to do so.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)What's the problem?
Not interested in warmongers.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Obama
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)And I also made my first pre-general donation to him due to developing a strong dislike for Hillary.
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Did you vote to get out of/renegotiate NATFTA or did you like it?
THAT is the correct way to frame the question.
Matt_in_STL
(1,446 posts)If you look at the crowd picture from his huge St. Louis rally, you can see me up front and center of the crowd of 100,000. I wanted change then and now I want more change.
vintx
(1,748 posts)dog_lovin_dem
(309 posts)2008/2012
redwitch
(14,944 posts)lostnfound
(16,184 posts)Go Vols
(5,902 posts)I didn't care for this tho after he was elected the second time:Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Didn't really participate in 2008 primary wars because my twins (born 2007) were pretty much my entire universe during that period/sleep deprivation issues were strong....
senz
(11,945 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)2008 primary did it for me with Hill.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)in California's June Primary.
Jane Austin
(9,199 posts)With enthusiasm
brewens
(13,598 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)LaurenG
(24,841 posts)and no I'm still not over it.
inchhigh
(384 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,747 posts)Hillary's nasty, racist campaign against him made that even easier. She hasn't improved.
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)And I'll repeat what Bkkyosemite said above: "Obama for 'HOPE' and 'CHANGE' ...now voting Bernie for that change that did not happen."
Buddyblazon
(3,014 posts).
TSIAS
(14,689 posts)blm
(113,065 posts)move left as he developed more of a thick skin in DC.
He's beginning to do just that, imo.
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)TriplD
(176 posts)Obama in the general
ieoeja
(9,748 posts)Orsino
(37,428 posts)I wanted Kucinich, of course, then moved on to Edwards as the candidate most serious about poverty. He dropped out before my primary, though, so I had a toss-up between two sorta-progressives, either one of whose presidency would have been historic. I went with the one who had been in Washington less time and who H ad not voted for the IWR.
GreenPartyVoter
(72,378 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Puglover
(16,380 posts)Because I felt the exact same way about Hillary Clinton then as I feel about her now. However anyone if curious please do a search and find a post from me that is anywhere near as vile as some of her most ardent supporters made back in 2008.
I have tried to stay out of the worst of the fray this primary season. But that said, I will never understand how someone can call someone a "Liar", "Murderer" and then support them for POTUS.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)yesphan
(1,588 posts)Obama in GE.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)questionseverything
(9,656 posts)n/t