Chairman PolySci Dept So Univ Baton Rouge: Sanders comments about deep south "stupid".

[DCBob]

WASHINGTON – Democrats in the Deep South aren’t taking kindly to Sen. Bernie Sanders' recent comments that he lost Democratic presidential primaries in the region because it's so conservative.

“No question about it, we got murdered there,’’ Sanders, I-Vt., said at a debate with Hillary Clinton in Brooklyn, N.Y. on April 14. “That is the most conservative part of this great country, that's the fact. But you know what, we're out of the Deep South now.’’

Some Democratic lawmakers in the South, mostly Clinton supporters, say Sanders remarks were dismissive of voters in the region, many of whom are African American.

“By devaluing some of the most loyal and solidly Democratic-voting citizens in this country, Sen. Sanders has again shown himself to be out of touch with our party and our party’s values,” said Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., a member of the Congressional Black Caucus and a Clinton supporter.

Albert Samuels, chairman of the political science department at Southern University in Baton Rouge, La., said Sanders' was generally correct about why he lost primaries in Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi and other southern states.

“Factually, it’s not wrong, but politically it was stupid,’’ he said of the point Sanders made at the debate. “You’re insulting the core of your base. The base of the party is black people in the South.’’

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/04/22/sen-bernie-sanders-offends-some-comments-south/83397170/

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Clearly Bernie made yet another mistake regarding African Americans. Seems he simply doesn't get it when it comes to the issues and feelings of AA voters.

[mcar]

1. I do not get the strategy

Behind insulting, demeaning and deriding your core voter base due to where they live. I'm a Florida Democrat. My vote will be very important in the GE and I intend to use it to keep FL blue in Presidential races.

[DCBob]

4. I don't get it either other than desperation to explain away huge defeats.

Or he simply doesn't understand or connect with folks in the south which is possible since he has not spent much time in that part of the country.

[snowy owl]

23. Calling people 'conservative" is now offensive? Wow!

[DCBob]

25. It is the way Bernie said it and in the context he used it.

[snowy owl]

33. Well, he doesn't pander. I still don't see it but I'm not from the South. Red States...

Do they get upset when they are called the Red states? An euphemism for conservatism. I guess if he danced around it we'd call him Clinton.

[Armstead]

89. He made an honest assessment...I know you're not used to politicians being people...

and answering questions in a straightforward way without evasiveness and defelction

[DCBob]

95. This is what he should have said..

“No question about it, we got murdered there. I didn't connect well with the good Democrats in the Deep South... perhaps I needed a bit more time to better explain my more progressive message. But we are now moving to states that will likely be more receptive to my message."

That would have been fine.

[Armstead]

99. No it wouldn't...It would still have been picked apart. And.....

he has said the equivalent of what you suggested many times. He has also advocated from the beginning a "50 state strategy" overall for the Dem Party.

What is sad about this campaign (and some of it is Sanders campaign fault) is the guy does really have an incredible depth of knowledge and interests and successful experience at "getting things done" and great political instincts.

But in out media and political culture, it's all just soundbites and missteps that is the focus,. So we continually elect con artists.

It's like the Daily News interview. He stumbled a couple of times, and that's thrown through the megaphone as proof that he "doesn't understand the issues" despite the fact that he has been working on these issues in the trenches of Congress and related committees for years.

[DCBob]

102. The tone is very different.

What Bernie said was dismissive.

[Armstead]

108. We need more of a human tone in politics. People are sick of marketing..

masquerading as issues.

And they're tired of slick hucksters. That's why so many people have either tuned out of the stale corrupt circus and become cynical and apathetic, or gravitate to people like Trump (on the dark side, and paradoxically in a phony way) and Sanders (on the positive side and someone who says what he thinks, and says what a substantial segment of the public thinks, including a substantial number of Democrats).

Yes Clinton got more votes among party loyalists in Dem primaries for a combination of reasons, some legitimate and some bogus. She's better at marketing.

But in the larger sense, people want more honesty and straightforwardness, not this "gotchya" parsing and carefully phrased non-answers

[lumberjack_jeff]

2. No more stupid than Clinton boasting in NYC that she's won in every region.

This is news to anyone living within 200 miles of the pacific.

[Warren DeMontague]

3. How about the thing about "i took money from wall st because we were attacked on 9-11"

I think i lost some iq points just listening to that.

[lumberjack_jeff]

8. ... or "I'll release my transcripts when everyone else does".

As it turns out, if she's the nominee, someone else is going to release HER transcripts.

[Warren DeMontague]

9. I WILL RELEASE THE KRAKEN WHEN EVERYONE ELSE DOES

Now that would be cool.

[DCBob]

5. Arizona, Nevada?

[Warren DeMontague]

10. I realize that the pacific northwest is so obscure as to barely register on peoples maps

particularly east coast or beltway types.

[DCBob]

12. Are AZ and NV not within 200 miles of the Pacific?

That was the comment I was responding to.

[reddread]

14. probably not

do you need me to check for you?

https://www.google.com/#q=la+to+las+vegas+miles

[DCBob]

15. Parts of Arizona and Nevada are both within 200 miles.

Check it.

[Warren DeMontague]

17. Barely.

But I would argue that the Pacific Northwest is its own region, anyway. And I think once you get north of Gilroy, CA HRC's performance is gonna drop off markedly.

[DCBob]

19. Yeah, but they are considered part of the west region.

Hillary was correct.

[Warren DeMontague]

26. Arbitrary.

But the consistent measage from our east coast betters has been that the 50 million of us on the west coast dont really matter, anyway.

[onenote]

66. So by your definition the "west" consists of only three states: CA, OR and WA?

That would be a new definition of the western region of the US.

[Warren DeMontague]

115. "only" 50 Million or so people, yes.

And I didn't say "region", I said "coast".

Now explain why CA and OR and WA don't matter, or why it's okay to continually discount our issues and concerns.

[reddread]

20. name it

i already did my part.
as if 200 miles from anywhere means anything,
california is not that skinny.
but it is that populous.

no.
http://www.dimensionsinfo.com/what-is-the-size-of-california/

[DCBob]

24. Nevada state line to San Fran: 190 miles driving.. much shorter as the crow flies.

https://goo.gl/maps/HgLptMuDYRn

Arizona even closer.

[Warren DeMontague]

27. Its a nice drive, too.

Like the people who have never been west of new jersey, should check it out sometime.

[DCBob]

28. Ive driven quite a bit out west but never done that route.

Hope to try it someday.

[Warren DeMontague]

29. I used to do a lot of cross country driving in my youth.

One of the most fun was the old route 66. Even though it isnt route 66 anymore, you can still find a lot of the old "worlds largest ball of twine" attractions along the way.

[reddread]

32. thats inland you might as well start in sacramento

[DCBob]

39. San Francisco is inland??

[reddread]

46. figure it out

[DCBob]

50. LOL.. I think you need to "figure it out".

[seabeyond]

6. What I thought not a bright campaign move, walking into New York, demanding their vote, as he disses

All of Wall Street. That is all the employees, voters, are going out to vote. That is all the businesses that make a living off Wall Street. That is all of govt making money off Wall Street, and then expecting these people to vote for him. I thought it an odd idea to create all these individual voters as "evil" yet, expect them to vote for him.

[DCBob]

7. Bernie certainly doesnt care who he insults.

Even if it means losing an election. Another reason he is risky as our nominee.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

11. So, telling the truth is "stupid"?

[DCBob]

13. It was factually correct but why say it all when it offends the base of our party?

Yes, that is stupid.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. So, he should lie to the people?

[DCBob]

22. He needs to stop insulting the base of our party.

[Bluenorthwest]

48. insulting the base of our party.

But of course when it is tens of thousands of dead gay men it's great to tell a pack of insulting lies to polish the reputation of Republican bigots.
You split hairs for Bernie while handing out Free Passes to Hillary to say horrible things. Horrible, awful lies. Smears against good people, praise for monsters, lies about history.

[DCBob]

51. You should start a thread on the Nancy Reagan issue if that's what you want to discuss.

Ciao.

[Armstead]

93. The base of the party is Wall St. and the people in Corporate Boardrooms

the rest is just window dressing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511812440

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1812341

[Warren DeMontague]

18. Was it smart when DWS insulted millennials and doubled down on putting pot smokers in prison?

[snowy owl]

21. “Factually, it’s not wrong, ..." - Just goes to show how honest he is. Need more proof?

Besides, he's right factually. You want him to be Clinton who says whatever to get elected? Really?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I know he has traveled abroad but he seems to have a very parochial world view.

Not all of life's lesson can be found in a college seminar.

[Bluenorthwest]

45. So your contention is that a region in which all the States have legal discrimination against LGBT

is not in fact conservative in nature? That bigotry toward LGBT is glorious and progressive? Those who pass hateful discriminatory laws much not be criticized?

NC Democrats voted for that hateful law the country is boycotting them over. Democrats who endorsed Hillary voted for it. That's what you proudly stand with and I will never forget that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Please don't put words into my mouth. I consider it a form of bullying.

Please don't put words into my mouth. I consider it a form of bullying.

Thank you in advance.

I stand against bigotry wherever it raises its ugly face. I also stand against shaming and collective guilt with the same fervor.


As to bigotry I have lived in New York City, suburban Orlando, Miami, Fort Lauderdale, Tallahassee, and no Los Angeles. I have heard homophobic, anti-semitic, racist, and generally bigoted comments in all three venues. I have even discussed it here. Auto Search is your friend.

I didn't learn that in a text book. I learned that, from well, listening to people.



DSB

P.S. If you control for time I have heard more bigoted comments in L A than in all the other places. I suspect some bigots think any white person is a kindred spirit.

[Bluenorthwest]

49. Please don't give me orders, it is bullying. You failed to answer my questoin of course.

Because you can't. So you carry on and on as if being asked a question is bullying. You are the Straight Person defending anti-gay bullshit out of your candidate. You need to just own that fact.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

52. I didn't give you any orders.

Again, please stop bullying me.

And you have no idea what somebody's orientation is on a bulletin board so please full stop.

[Bluenorthwest]

55. I asked you a question. That's not bullying. You are trying to define anti gay laws as liberal.

That's toxic. That's bullying. Those anti gay laws you defend are legalized bullying. NC passed a new one, with Democratic votes, Hillary endorses voted for it. That's a fact. A fact you refuse to discuss.

This is a discussion board. You made a declaration, I asked you a question and you called that bullying because you did not have an answer. My question, most excellent question which exposes the fakery of your posture.

[Bluenorthwest]

53. I'm talking about LAW, not comments you want to tell us about. Those LAWS take majority and

in the South every State has those laws, they are making more of them and some Southern Democrats who have endorsed Hillary support those law.

You are trying to say that CA or NY, which have protections for LGBT under the law are just as bigoted as States that have no protections and in fact have laws which oppress and attacks us. That's insane.

And you as a straight person lecturing me about anti LGBT bigotry is just smug as can be. It's nasty.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

56. I am not willing to collectively punish a whole region because it some of its residents are bigots.

I am not willing to collectively punish a whole region because it some of its residents are bigots. I don't hold the entire nation of Germany responsible for turning my ancestors into soap.


Bigotry is not endemic to any nation or region. It is a universal failing.

[Bluenorthwest]

58. In what way is calling places which pass bigoted laws 'conservative' a punishment?

It's just speaking the truth. You are again saying that they have the right to both discriminate against minorities they don't like and be seen as progressives. That they can pass a new set of bigoted laws each week but we can't call them conservatives? NC Democrats voted for that law. Five of them, all Hillary endorsers. Birds of a feather.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

62. Because punishing a whole group of people for the actions of a few is not a liberal value.

Senator Sanders did not lose the south and is losing the race because the south is conservative. He lost the south and is losing this race because he has failed to connect with African Americans and Hispanics in any meaningful way. If you chose to believe it is because they are conservative that is your prerogative.

Senator Sanders has also lost New York, Ohio, Illinois, Guam, Iowa, and Massachusetts. Last I checked there weren't many Rebels there.

[Bluenorthwest]

64. What is the punishment? Calling consvervative States conservative is not a punishment.

Evicting people because they are gay is a punishment.

You can't even speak to the points I am making. Your position is untenable so you keep shifting it. Those States that discriminate against LGBT are conservative States. That's just a fact. You excuse and defend it, that's also a fact.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

69. I oppose bigotry, I also oppose shaming and collective guilt.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Bluenorthwest]

76. And yet there is no punishment in calling conservative places conservative. Places that keep

bigoted laws are conservative places. Facts are facts. They can't have the cake and eat it too. 'We get to be virulently and increasingly bigoted but you must not call us conservative, that's shaming us for merely wanting to fire and evict all those LGBT!

What you seek is to punish those who speak out against this bigotry, who call conservatism by it's own name. Fuck that noise.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

97. Assigning group behavior to an individual.

Assigning group behavior to an individual is wrong. Those clowns who voted for the bathroom law should be voted out of office but there are a lot of good and open minded people in North Carolina and in the rest of the south who oppose bigotry whenever it raises it ugly face. They don't deserve to be thrown in with them.

Bernie Sanders won freaking Wyoming. That's where Matthew Shepard was crucified. You don't see Clinton supporters disparaging the entire state. Bernie Sanders won freaking Idaho. It's a hotbed of white nationalism and virtually all white. When Mark Fuhrman was shamed out of Los Angeles for saying he wished all the black people were thrown into a pile and set on fire where did he choose to live? Idaho. You don't see Clinton supporters disparaging the entire state.


I share your contempt for homophobia and all forms of intolerance and bigotry and that contempt also prevents me from prejudging entire groups of individual based solely on their place of residence.

[treestar]

94. Bernie is in effect saying southern African Americans are conservative

Which is dumb. The States are red because of the Republicans there, mostly white. Those voters have nothing to do with his democratic primary loss.

[treestar]

92. Name the Democrats who voted for it

Further you and Bernie quit blaming NC LIBERALS for the fact they are outnumbered by real conservatives there, which are called Republiccans. Though I know you are no longer for Bernie obviously as he associated himself with the homophobic head of an ancient homophobic organization.

[Armstead]

96. The guys name is Bernie Sanders

Google it. You might discover a few life experiences "outside of a college seminar."

[KingFlorez]

31. We already know that Sanders isn't too sharp from the editorial interview

The reason why he was wrong is because his suggestion that Clinton won those states because they are more conservative is wrong. Sanders lost the very liberal vote all across the south and the counties that he actually won are far from being liberal.

Obama 12 Romney 12 Sanders 16
Baker 20.29% 78.80% 47.40%
Calhoun 26.91% 70.61% 45.20%
Dixie 25.84% 72.60% 45.10%
Gilchrist 23.75% 74.55% 50.70%
Holmes 15.25% 83.46% 51.70%
Lafayette 20.17% 78.33% 51.60%
Liberty 28.64% 74.55% 47.10%
Suwanee 26.85% 71.63% 44.30%
Union 24.76% 73.59% 51.60%

Obama 12 Romney 12 Sanders 16
Echols 15.66% 82.99% 51.43%

Obama 12 Romney 12 Sanders 16
Carter 23.23% 75.20% 50.95%
Unicoi 27.00% 71.01% 51.22%
Washington 29.82% 68.30% 53.07%

Say something now.

[Thinkingabout]

34. Playing to his base may make the base feel good but there is not enough

Voters in the base to win a national election. There are many more issues than just Wall Street. He talks about big money and then he raises big money.

[hobbit709]

35. how many deep south states did Obama take?

I believe he got the vast majority of black votes in those states but very few electoral votes.

[DCBob]

36. That's exactly the attitude that pisses off African Americans in the deep south...

.. "dismissive, unimportant, we dont need you, we dont care"

That's "stupid".

[hobbit709]

37. Bullshit. The conservative white voters outnumber all Democrats in those states.

and they turn out in larger numbers to vote-THAT is the problem.
I live in fucking TX and believe me I know. After 4 attempts by the repukes and Tom DeLay to gerrymander my liberal congresscritter, I'm glad to say that Lloyd Doggett is STILL my Congressman, but other parts of TX got a royal screwing.
Gerrymandering, voter suppression, low turnout are the problem.

[DCBob]

38. Bigger bullshit on your bullshit.

What you wrote has nothing to do with the issue I was referring to.

[hobbit709]

40. what you accused me of is bullshit.

I never dismissed black voters. I stated facts about the votes.
The record for the last 40 years in the deep south does not show D wins.

[DCBob]

41. It doesn't matter if we have won or not won a state in the general.

Democrats in those states are just as important as any other state when it comes to picking our nominee.

Why is that so difficult for you Bernie people to understand that simple concept??

[hobbit709]

42. Then we should pick a nominee that doesn't act like R-lite.

[DCBob]

43. I dont know what that means.

Ciao.

[uponit7771]

61. DNC doesn't do GOTV in black and Hispanic areas, yet...

[uponit7771]

60. +1, But they'll have to care now... without the southern states no candidate will have

... enough PD to win the nomination now, there aren't enough angry white men to win the dem nomination any longer.


And there aren't enough angry white people as a whole to win the white house.

Now, I wish the DNC would work in the off season to GOTV and treat the deep south states like they matter

[BeyondGeography]

91. Black voters in the Deep South gave us President Obama

Without their support he would have been soundly defeated by HRC. I am sincerely and forever grateful to them. In light of this very recent history, it's so ironic to me to hear Sanders continually dismiss Democrats in the South as uber-conservative. The stupidity and tone deafness is epic.

[Bluenorthwest]

44. Every State in the South has anti gay laws. They keep making more of them. Democrats vote for them.

Hillary and her supporters keep insisting that legal discrimination against LGBT is not conservative, that those who do that are ultra liberal. It's a huge turn off. She keeps pushing the idea that anti gay entities are actually Progressive heroes:

NC passed their hateful law with Democratic support, Democrats for Hillary voted for it.

[DCBob]

54. Most Democrats do not support anti-gay legislation.

Regardless of what state they are in.

[Bluenorthwest]

57. Is that what I said Bob? That 'most' do? No, it's not. Care to address the actual point?

I repeat the FACTS: ". Every State in the South has anti gay laws. They keep making more of them. Democrats vote for them."

You are claiming that States which have and continue to make bigoted, discriminatory laws must not be called conservative. They are in fact very conservative and that conservatism is bipartisan enough to keep it floating. It takes a village you know.

[DCBob]

59. That's not at all what this is about.

Of course we disagree with the anti-gay stuff going on in NC and other Red states (not just southern) but that has nothing to do with respecting the votes of Democrats in those states.

[Bluenorthwest]

63. But it does. You are charging that it is 'disrespect' to say those States are more conservative

States when the fact is those States have many bigoted conservative laws that attack minorities they do not like and many of those laws pass with bipartisan support and they remain in place without significant push back from these great liberals you keep claiming must be praised for letting their neighbors face discrimination,

You and the OP Professor want to say 'These Anti Gay States are Liberal'. They are not liberal and it is wrong of you to carry on as if they were. The entire South has those laws. Other States do too. But the whole Deep South, also the not so Deep South. The entire South has legal discrimination against some minority groups.

You say that one can't call that bigotry conservative because those who vote for it must be respected? Or what?


Bigoted laws only exist when conservatives are in power. Those laws exist all over the South. The region is in fact far more conservative than say, the West Coast or NE. It just is.

Respect the LGTB in those States, stop defending that bias and claiming it is progressive. It's not.

[DCBob]

65. Of course there are states that are more conservative than others. Anybody knows that.

But that has nothing to do with respecting the votes of Democrats in those states.

Why is that simple concept so difficult for you Bernie people to understand?

[Bluenorthwest]

68. What do you even mean by 'respecting their votes'? They voted, it counted, they awarded

delegates. What do they expect? That we all agree with them?

Bennie Thompson has voted for many anti gay bills personally. That man you are quoting as authority. I don't respect him. Sue me.

And what did Sanders say? That the South is more conservative. Now you are saying the same thing. Funny that.

[DCBob]

71. Why did he even need to say that? It has nothing to do with our primary contest.

I will answer that for you..

He said it to imply that those voters and those states are not as important. That was "stupid".

[Bluenorthwest]

72. Because it is true? That he does better in less conservative States? Why is he not allowed to say

that? Why should these conservative States be coddled? They promote greater discrimination against LGBT regularly and Hillary folks are here demanding they be called liberals.
Even Thompson, whom you quote by choice on the matter, has voted for anti gay laws. He's conservative.

[DCBob]

77. But why say it all?? Its irrelevant to the Democratic primary process.

He was dissing the south and the Dem voters there.

[Bluenorthwest]

73. Describe for me the exact actions I need to take to 'respect the vote' of those who vote for anti

gay laws. What exact actions are you looking for? You say they get to be bigoted and conservative but we can't say that they are bigoted and conservative. Is that all you demand that we call bigots progressives because Hilary says they are?

[DCBob]

74. Obviously you will never get it. I give up.

Ciao.

[Bluenorthwest]

80. Obviously you have rhetoric that has no meaning, you either do not know what you want or

can't say it without being embarrassed by it. It is you who does not get it, and that is demonstrated by the fact that you simply can't answer a single question put to you and by the fact that you cite conservative Democrats with anti gay records to make your point. You don't even seem to recognize a conservative when you are quoting one.

[DCBob]

83. You are the one that should be embarrassed by defending a "stupid" remark by your candidate.

Give it up dude.. your candidate is finished.

[Bluenorthwest]

86. You cite anti gay Southern Democrats, call them progressives then demand we join you in that.

Meanwhile, you keep defending this:
"It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too."


Dude, I'm not a Reagan Democrat. Dude. Never was. Never ever will be. Dude.

[DCBob]

88. I didn't call them progressives.. they may or may not be.. it doenst matter.

Their votes in the Dem primary are just as important as those in Vermont or Oregon.

[Bluenorthwest]

98. Of course, and like Vermont they have already voted, they are done. What more do they want?

No one is saying the voters are less important, just stating the fact that the States are more conservative and thus likely to support the more conservative choice among the candidates, as they have.

Again feel free to explain to everyone how to properly express the vast respect we have for voters everywhere.... You cite bigoted Reps who have voted that I should never have equal rights. That sure as shit does not respect me. Thompson's votes did not respect me. Your promotion of him as a reasoned progressive does not respect the voters he said must never be equal.

[DCBob]

100. This is what Bernie should have said..

“No question about it, we got murdered there. I didn't connect well with the good Democrats in the Deep South... perhaps I needed a bit more time to better explain my more progressive message. But we are now moving to states that will likely be more receptive to my message."

That would have been fine.

[Bluenorthwest]

107. Parsing at full steam, looking for offense. Meanwhile, you can't answer for Hillary insane comments

about Reagan being an AIDS hero. Why did she say that? At all? No one even asked her, it was all lies, and she just went on and on with her smears.
And you of course just wave that way entirely. Instantly and entirely. Double Standards for the LGBT and the Jewish candidate, all license to the Straight Christians....Thompson can vote against the basic rights of millions and you cite him as a saint. Cake and Eat It Too politics.

Are you not a Straight White Male, not really in the South at all, not a minority, not LGBT? So of course you are the authority on this. It's up to you. Got it.

[Rob H.]

110. "Democrats vote for them."

Yep. I lived in Tennessee when a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage was on the ballot and it passed 81% to 19%, which means a sizable number of Democrats crossed party lines to vote for its passage. That people are still trying to pretend that kind of thing doesn't happen is mind-blowing.

Edited to add: the county I was in went blue for Obama in the GE in 2008 and 2012, but the state went to McCain and Romney, respectively.

[Bluenorthwest]

67. Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss. and our Party's 'values' :

Voted YES on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman.
Proposing an amendment to the Constitution stating: "Marriage in the US shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this Constitution, nor the constitution of any State, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman."

Voted YES on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage.
Marriage Protection Amendment - Declares that marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Prohibits the Constitution or any State constitution from being construed to require that marital status or its legal incidents be conferred upon any union other than that of a man and a woman.
Reference: Constitutional Amendment sponsored by Rep Musgrave [R, CO-4]; Bill H.J.RES.106 ; vote number 2004-484 on Sep 30, 2004

So. He's a conservative Democrat himself, voting against the equal rights of minorities he does not like.

[Armstead]

70. But it's okay for B. Clinton to joke about Sanders supporters wanting to shoot people on Wall St.

[DCBob]

75. That was a rather dumb comment but I think he did correct himself.

Bernie and his clan keep dissing the south and act like they dont care who they offend.

[Bluenorthwest]

78. Split hairs to hang Bernie while excusing horrors for Hillary:

[DCBob]

79. You posted that about 5 times already.

Give it up dude.. Bernie screwed up and you know it.

[Bluenorthwest]

82. That's Hillary screwing up in that video. I will post what I want. If her supporters had the

honesty to discuss it from the start we might have moved on. But you are still here pretending that horrific shit was just wonderful while trying to construct some Bernie gaff that does not exist. This Love Song to Reagan exists. She did that voluntarily. And you just excuse it while subjecting Bernie to a much higher standard.
Hypocrisy and double standards are the stock in trade of bigots and those who seek to promote bigotry.

[DCBob]

84. Hillary apologized for that comment.

Bernie just keeps digging himself deeper and deeper.

[Bluenorthwest]

87. Ah, not really. She tweeted something but her lies were on National TV and she never corrected

her smears in the larger media. She issued excuses and that was it, she and her supporters have not made amends nor bothered to educate the public about the truth. Unacceptable.

[DCBob]

90. Here's a "larger media"..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/11/hillary-clinton-apologizes-for-praising-nancy-reagans-response-to-hivaids/

[Bluenorthwest]

101. Washington Post? Caphehart's paper? They have yet to apologize for trashing Danny Lyon.

Show me Hillary on National TV speaking to the lies she told. Do not ask me to read her excuses published in a paper that coddles her while smearing Bernie.

She did her trashing of history and praise of Reagan on National Television. Her apology requires the same level of media or all she is doing is being evasive.

[DCBob]

104. You are hopeless.

I give up once again.. for real this time!

[Bluenorthwest]

109. You keep making snide personal attacks at me because you lack the abilty to answer my questions

The string of personal smears is definitive of your candidate's culture. Your OP cites a Rep that voted over and over for anti gay laws, then you come in to snark and denigrate anyone who objects to that anti gay point of view being presented as reasonable.

I ask readers to count the personal insults from you and also count the number of questions I asked you that you simply did not answer.......quite a display.

[DCBob]

111. Sorry for that.. but I am done trying to explain it to you dozens of times.

[NurseJackie]

81. LMFTFY ...

Bernie and his clan keep dissing the south and act like they don't care who they offend.

(There! That's better.)

[DCBob]

85. That's probably more correct.

Thanks!

[IamMab]

103. None of this would be bad, really, except that Sanders refuses to learn the lesson and dial back the

stupidity of him and his campaign. They just keep doubling down on insulting black voters, and then they turn around and go, "We just don't get it, why black voters don't like us."

To Sanders and Devine and Weaver: It's your prejudice, stupid! It is clear that they don't know anything about black voters, and should just stop talking about them until they can get themselves educated properly. They're making asses of themselves currently, displaying progressive white privilege for the whole world to see.

[DCBob]

105. No kidding... it just makes no sense.

They seem completely tone deaf to the sensitivities of African Americans.

[haikugal]

106. Oh he gets it and so do the rest of us.

[Surya Gayatri]

112. Tone deaf, optics blind...

[That Guy 888]

113. I guess this is a repeat talking point to get her numbers back up in California.

The South elects a lot of conservadems, not the only region that does, but most of the Dems that fucked us over by joining with republicans were from the South. When we try to back someone more liberal, we're told they CAN'T GET ELECTED BECAUSE LIBERALS WON"T WIN IN THE SOUTH.

But no, Sanders is obviously a racist, make sure that gets circulated in California before the Primary.

Good luck to Clinton with uniting the party.

[DCBob]

114. Hillary is doing fine in CA.

Last poll I saw she was up several points.

[Teamster Jeff]

116. Hillary will get zero electoral votes from the "deep south" in the general. So what's the point?

and if she wins she will ignore them just like Obama and the GOP does