Obama is a LIAR (please add air quotes for those who are freaking out)

[WeekendWarrior]

I hear this all the time on Facebook and other places. Obama is a liar. All he does is lie, lie, lie.

But when I ask those making such accusations to point out one of his lies, or better yet, give me a list of them, they suddenly get mute.

Now, I can easily give you a list of Romney's lies, although that list would take days to compile and print out. But what, exactly, are these lies that Obama is allegedly telling? These people seem convinced that he's a lying sack of crap, but they can't or won't point to even a single so-called lie.

So are they just pulling this out of their butts, mimicking talk radio, or can they really point to what they perceive as Obama's lies?

So far, I'm not getting anything from them. But I AM curious how they developed this notion (although I suspect I already know).

It seems that nowadays the accusation is all that matters. Backing it up with facts is apparently unimportant.

[regnaD kciN]

1. Easy...

Obama is lying in not admitting Romney is telling the truth about everything!

[flamingdem]

2. Do us a favor and change the title or delete this

thanks

[WeekendWarrior]

5. Why would that be doing you a favor?

Get a grip.

[scheming daemons]

8. Because the title shows up in DU Google searches

And putting stuff like that in the title is something trolls often do in order to get negative Obama stuff trending in searches.

[WeekendWarrior]

11. And trending in searches is a terrible thing?

Okay, I'm done.

Jesus.

[scheming daemons]

12. Yes... the phrase "Obama is a liar" is not something we want trending in searches

[flamingdem]

15. Exactly n/t

[faithfulcitizen]

6. agree, title really sucks.

[WeekendWarrior]

9. Oh, Lord

Really? Are we that sensitive?

I'll tell you what. If a moderator decides to delete this thread because of the title, fine. It's ridiculous, but fine.

[faithfulcitizen]

13. I am not sensitive...I support Obama and it sucks.

I'll tell ya what...deal.

[flamingdem]

18. It's not about sensitivity, it's google indexing

that you appear to not understand the importance of ..

[WeekendWarrior]

21. Then explain it to me

Someone sees the title in Google, clicks on it and sees the post. What's the harm?

I mean, really. Explain it to me. Has the entire Google/DU ecosystem been destroyed by a simple, provocative title?

[Firebirds01]

38. I understand

That you want to make a provocative title so everyone will want to see whats up. The problem is that, like everyone said, these posts spread like wildfire over the internet. Yesterday I wrote a post on Boortz calling Allred a whore. Boortz saw it and posted in on his facebook (he made fun of us in doing so). It got shared 860 times on Facebook and 49 times on twitter. Now, how many of those 860 actually read the entire post? Probably not many, they just saw the title and said "Yeah Boortz, keep pissing off those libs."

So, we have your post that says Obama Lied. How easy would it be for Boortz, Limbaugh, anyone else to but it on their page and say "look, even the Libs dont trust Obummer. See, we were right and they know it." So then we look like idiots.


In my opinion, its better not to tempt fate just to get an eye-popping post title.

[LP2K12]

26. It is a bit...

over the top...

[WeekendWarrior]

29. I am quoting what people have said to me directly. How is that over the top?

[tessar]

31. It's over the top

And so is the seeming lack of comprehension....

[WeekendWarrior]

34. No, the reaction to the title is over the top

Seriously. Step out of the bubble.

[Firebirds01]

35. +1

[Xyzse]

3. I don't know, but I get the same thing...

They accuse him of lying about:

His birth certificate - Already debunked.
Him being muslim or a muslim sympathizer - Already debunked.
Him being a socialist - He's more conservative than I am.
Him using executive privilege on Fast and Furious - Which was actually initiated during the Bush years, and also already shown to hit more Republicans than Democrats if it is actually completely brought to light.
Him not taking away their guns - Also already shown to be the case.

It is pretty ridiculous, especially since there is so much proof that it was not lies to begin with.

[WeekendWarrior]

7. Yeah, these are the generally known "lies"

But I'm hearing things like, "All he does is lie."

I, frankly, don't understand the mindset. But then I guess I have a brain.

[Xyzse]

17. I don't either

Nor can I get a quote from them.
Any how, you may want to change the title of the thread to something like "They call Obama a Liar" or something like that.

Title can get misleading.

[Jackpine Radical]

4. Evidence is generally not a good thing.

When it runs counter to the Truth* as it generally does, it can lead people to reject the Truth.


*Truth: The notions and opinions supplied to you by your owners

[SunSeeker]

10. How about changing the title to "No support behind the 'Obama is a liar' meme"

Because the title as it is may get you clicks, but it is really offensive.

[WeekendWarrior]

16. It's meant to be offensive. It's offensive to me every time I hear it.

I was unaware that we had to be oh so careful about how we frame things about a politician because someone might be offended.

Wow.

Delete the thread, then.

[SunSeeker]

27. DU posts get picked up by Google searches, so it is not innocuous.

It's not just about sensitivity, it's Google indexing. You don't want "Obama is a LIAR" popping up when people do Google searches, do you?

And as far as deleting your thread, it is my understanding that only you can do that.

[Divine Discontent]

30. +1

[sinkingfeeling]

14. It's the same if you ask one of Rmoney's supports what they like about his polices.

They can't name anything unless it's, "He'll repeal Obamacare".

[maryellen99]

19. The majority are only voting for him because he's white

They don't give a shit about his policies.

[leftynyc]

20. They don't think

They merely parrot what rush (and his ilk) scream on the radio or what they hear on fox. You'll have better luck trying to get an intelligent response from the spider crawling across my floor.

[stopbush]

22. There's the "Obama said unemployment wouldn't go above 8%" meme.

The truth is that President Obama's economic advisers made that prediction before he took office, during the lame-duck session of 2008. Their prediction was based on faulty information they were given by the outgoing bush administration, which was under-reporting the depths of the economic crisis.

The fact is that unemployment stood at 8.1% the day President Obama was inaugurated.

As far as what the *percentage of increase* unemployment would rise to, I think his advisors got it pretty much right. It's just that the base number they were working with (which was supplied by bushco, and which was inaccurate) was lower than what it actually was at the time.

Yet, the RWNM likes to say that unemployment was under 8% when the president took office and that it soared above 8% due to the president's policies, and that he was lying when he said it wouldn't go above 8%.

[WeekendWarrior]

24. It's sad that some don't know the difference between

a prediction and a lie.

[Azathoth]

23. Like everything else on the modern Right, it's a mindless I-know-you-are-but-what-am-I slogan

These folks have abandoned any notion of objective fact. Any accusation made against a politician is simply "one side", to be balanced out by the other. All Romney does is lie? Well, then, all Obama does is lie! Take that! The idea that Romney's lies have been objectively and painstakingly documented by both reporters and policy experts while Obama's "lies" consist entirely of talk-radio conspiracy-mongering doesn't even register on their radars.

[lyingsackofmitt]

25. That's all they have...

After months and months of listening to conservatards call into radio shows, reading their comments on the internets, listening to people here at work, none can specifically say what's bad about Obama, except he's a socialist or he sucks. They have no argument.

[reflection]

28. I asked a guy that was badgering me yesterday about this to point out a lie from Obama

and he came back with his shift on recognizing gay marriage.

I told him that was not a lie, that was an opinion he held that he changed. Now you can opine as to whether or not his changing of that opinion was politically motivated, but it certainly wasn't a lie. He had no response. I don't mind arguing with people, but I want them to at least bring some game, not just weak play.

[BigDemVoter]

32. Same IDIOTS

who say, "Obama is a Communist", or my personal favorite-- "Obama is a fascist!"

Too stupid to even know there's a difference between the two. . . . and that they, the right-wingers, are the fascists.

[MatthewStLouis]

33. It's called projection. We say Rmoney is a liar. So they have to say the same about Obama.

The problem for Rmoney is that he truly is a liar. Even the GOPers know that. That's why they keep talking about "holding their noses" and voting for the charlatan snake oil salesman. The guy is not a flip flopper, or a moderate in disguise. He's a conservative, who just like a used car salesman, will say anything to get elected.

Try this: listen to what Rmoney says he will do once elected. His positions change with his audience, like some kind of chameleon.

Now: listen to the what the President says he will do. His views don't change with the wind. He is a progressive. He stands with the middle class. He is a known quantity. He is trustworthy. This is why conservatives hate him. They don't like democratic principles. Period.

[krawhitham]

36. Rove playbook 101, blame your opponent for what you do yourself

[moobu2]

37. All of the above but also

Obama is a liar = he's black to a lot of them
Obama is not a citizen = he's black
Obama is not a christian = he's black

It's just a way for a lot of them to express racism without admitting it I think.