2016 Postmortem
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SHRED
(28,136 posts)Considering they are bought and paid for by her and DWS "Victory Fund".
mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Expecting them to vary from the party line is, IMHO, like expecting Pravda to print lengthy exposes of Putin kissing little boy's bellies (there is an actual picture of that, by the way).
TV and cable news largely consist of news readers, not reporters, and those who present a contrary view of things are quickly dismissed or relegated to the Internet.
It is ingenuous for Sec'y Reich to complain about the media not covering the stupidity of not seeking out independent voters in this Primary. Such "reportage" would be contrary to the interests of those people signing the checks. So it goes.
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Faux pas
(14,687 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)Now that they're the majority, it would make sense to nominate a candidate Independents like.
Are there any polls about who Independent voters prefer in 2016?
SHRED
(28,136 posts)...where Bernie beats any Repug by a wider margin than her.
I suspect due to independents but not sure if they included them.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)I'd like to see every ballot counted. That means pieces of papers with an "X" or whatever that don't evaporate when the electricity goes out.
Odd to see so many people denigrate the mention of such happenings.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)The independents mostly aren't with the corporate agenda anyway, so both parties are happy to have them self-isolate into a powerless unaffiliated group where they can't have much if any impact on the primaries.
Then the independents can choose between Thing 1 and Thing 2 in the general election, both chosen by the corporate parties.
There are two answers to this. One is to organize the independents into a third party. The other is to take back one of the parties from within with a populist agenda that will bring independents back. Interesting times, we'll see.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)The only thing the 1-percent of 1-percent give a fig about is what we think. That's why the lack of coverage and lack of vision. That's why the noise machine at full blast 24/7/366 Ivan Denisovich style.
To control the future we need to control what people think. That's why uh so many politicians and whomever lie all day long. They don't care about the facts. They care about filling the public mindspace.
From there, they carve chunks of the middle. Having them "parked in neutral" must make it a breeze to shape and direct. That's why I find Bernie's candidacy so important: He is not playing the game. He is trying to put ideas and idealism back -- that what we dream is possible.
The one thing the masses must know: Those at the center of power and finance are using office to make money in secret for themselves and their cronies around the world. That's why they hate WikiLeaks, Snowden and the Panama Papers. They document their crime.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)if we can get the info to them. I think there's a receptive audience. More and more, people intuitively know the reality of this, so when they learn about the Panama Papers and how the wealthy hide their hoardes, it will fit what they already know and reinforce it by detailing the mechanisms the rich actually use.
One of the biggest problems is that people are just too busy to do anything about it, trying to stay afloat, and too used to being rebuffed when they try. Also in this day and age we have information overload, so it's hard to get anything to penetrate the noise floor to the degree necessary to spur people to action.
Time for the boiling frog to jump from the pot. Better clear the fire below and make for the labor pool. If labor could organize globally that would get the attention of the ownership class.