2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCongrats to all you old, rich Democrats
The youth won't be there for you in the general election. So you're on your own now.
Enjoy the status quo. But that's probably what you want. You live a nice comfy retirement with your social security assured and your retirement already achieved. The rest of us unfortunately have to live on this planet for the next 50 years.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)Butthurt form!!!!! I am totally stealing that. Thanks!.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)ALERTER'S COMMENTS
we do not need to normalize th term "butthurt" as it is sexist and homophobic
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Explanation: Butthurt = pain from a spanking, which is neither sexist or homophobic. It is still a rude response, and might merit a hide, but the OP is pretty rude too, so it seems to be consistent with current community standards in GDP.
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Explanation: Actually, I have often seen the term used to refer to whining about having been "spanked"--i.e., slapped down verbally or logically in a situation or an argument.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)who didn't give you what you wanted.
take some deep breaths
beaglelover
(3,488 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)All you've really got is the myth that she's more electable.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)He's great at drawing crowds-not so much at getting them to vote
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)a problem that all of a sudden disappeared when this benefited the corporate democrat with her corporate money and her corporate media backing her up...
What astonishes me is how different the election rules are in different states. And in order to vote, millions of people have to jump over one obstacle after another in order to vote - only to be turned away due to faulty voting machines, long lines, earlier closing hours than in more afflluent areas.....
My solution for low voter turnout and voter suppression:
- Every state should have open ballots in all primaries. Voters can only vote for one party during the primaries.
-Automatic voter registration the year the voter turns 18
-Free state issued IDs to be used as voter ID across the board.
-Traceable ballots.
-An independent election committee (like the league of Women Voters to conduct the debates in context of the media outlet) without any single partisan affiliation in any election committe. The members must be vetted.
- Equal time in the main debates for 3rd and 4th party candidates.
Many years ago as an exchange student in Kansas, the history teacher wanted to compare elections in USSR with USA.
"In USSR.. you can vote for commie A or commie B. In USA we can vote democratic or republican"...
He should have said "in USA, you can vote for corporatist A or corporatist B". He wasn't very bright that teacher either. He was from Arkansas.
USA has officially turned into a banana republic where a minority of fundie voters from the South dictates the future of USA and the world. That frightens me! We have today people who believe in Creationism and the notion that corporations are people and money is speech and that Bernie is a commie who wants to destroy the fabrics of America and turn it into Cuba or Venexuela (strangely enough, protesting outside Capitol Hill against money in politics and voter suppression without a major network and some politicians backing you up is not protected by free speech according to the arresting officers)...
Looks like the corporate media is doing the same thing here as they have done the 1st 5 months of Bernie Sander's campaign: a complete blackout.
metroins
(2,550 posts)By winning the Democratic nomination.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)by watering our principles down to nothing(which is what "pragmatic" seems to mean this year).
A message repeatedly endlessly is going to have a huge effect.
metroins
(2,550 posts)Hillary is leading because people believe in her.
She will lead us into another 8 years of progression and expand Obamas policies.
Under each democratic president, we have done much better. Things are looking up.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)When she is dismissive to activists, sneers at idealism, and takes an "oh, grow up!" tone towards anyone who still has dreams of a better world?
If nothing else, I hope you'll agree that it's unforgiveable that her campaign has encouraged the spread of this toxic meme that the social justice and economic justice movements are somehow massively at odds with each other and that social justice can somehow only prevail if economic justice issues are put to the side. There aren't any people working for economic justice who are indifferent to the need to fight institutional bigotry and there aren't much of any people working for social justice who don't also get it that we need to challenge corporate control of life in order for social justice to actually prevail.
metroins
(2,550 posts)Her stances.
Hillary most certainly never has been and never will be the most left candidate. However she most certainly is a left candidate.
The fact is, about half the country leans to the right. If you go full left, without compromise, you won't get anything done.
She is a democratic candidate who knows how to compromise on our behalf.
S.S. and Medicare were even compromises when passed. They had to be expanded years down the road.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)But you have to start from strong principles BEFORE you compromise.
If your initial proposals are a compromise, you'll get less THAN the compromise. A compromise is only worthwhile if you GET half a loaf. There are no situations in which its ever worth settling for less than half. Getting the heel is the same as not getting anything. You can't build up from just getting the heel.
LiberalFighter
(51,020 posts)It is a fallacy to think that half of the country leans right. People have been brainwashed into believing that. Rather I believe that the country has been moving more and more to the left. So the political center of the country is to the left of center.
The values and beliefs of Americans keeps changing as the older folks die off and younger come of age to vote. Same sex marriage and LGBT rights would not fly 20 years ago as an example. It is happening despite the rigging by Republicans gerrymandering districts.
metroins
(2,550 posts)47% or so.
I think it's fair to say half the country does lean right.
We are moving left definitely but the votes are the best indicator.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-01-03/final-tally-shows-obama-first-since-56-to-win-51-twice
LiberalFighter
(51,020 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)Hillary hatred out there that will motivate people to crawl over broken glass on bare hands and knees in order to vote against her.
Independents don't like her. Young people don't like her. Bernie voters in general aren't big fans -- although some will consider her the lesser of two evils, hold their nose, and vote for her only because the Repukes are even worse.
Hillary or a Repuke? No contest. We ultimately lose.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)by remarks such as this.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...is the nominee. Republicans are going to rip her to shreds. And even if she were going to win the GE, impeachment papers will be on her door on Inauguration Day and we the people will be dragged through another horrific Clinton psychodrama. That's assuming she's not in jail by then.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Repukes have too for 25 years. She gets back up and fights. Innuendo, insinuation of being in the Tank of whatever with NO proof! Calling her unqualified .. even racist. Enough is enough. She has blue prints. Sanders has a stump speech.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)Sanders has not mentioned any of her most significant flaws and faults. Many people wish he WOULD, but he has not.
And Trump is just itching to beat her up.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Don't worry.. It is Sanders who has not been attacked by repukes.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)She has been his pinata in all his rallies.
KPN
(15,647 posts)Besides Hillarians, the MSM? Lol.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)I could happily express this part of my heritage with that.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)By the way. The polls show Sanders supporter are more than willing to vote Clinton.
SpareribSP
(325 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)SpareribSP
(325 posts)Also independents will be voting in the GE.
Simply put, it's fair to say that an overwhelming veto-proof majority of millennials want Bernie, and after this primary I think Hillary will have a hell of a time trying to court them, especially if she pivots towards a more centrist message for the general.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)They refuse to even look at their own candidate's background. Most won't even understand why we GenX voters never supported her to begin with. This hasn't sunk in for them yet, but hopefully it will by the convention, since Bernie is going all the way. She wasn't able to seal the Pledged Delegate deal (again).
http://www.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)in the middle east...
There will be war and more wars come 2017 and beyond as it looks now.
Prepare accordingly.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)has come down to vote in line with every military vote with the Democrats and how Sanders is characterizing himself is not consistent with his record. They are not easily conned as they research themselves, and think....
So unless you are suggesting that all must suit up simply for exercising our right to vote, then your jab is for not and makes little to no sense.
Purveyor
(29,876 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)and she shouldn't be proud of it.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)desmiller
(747 posts)*singing*
TO THE NAUGHTY LIST YOU GO!!!
I SAY TO THE NAUGHTY LIST YOU GO!!!!
NO MATTER HOW FAST, NO MATTER HOW SLOW
I SAY TO THE NAUUUGHTY LIST YOU GO!!!!
OOOH YEEEAAAH!!!!!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)boston bean
(36,223 posts)brooklynite
(94,679 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)And as Bernie's campaign shows, young voters don't show up even for their own hero.
Zira
(1,054 posts)She won by mass voter suppression to make sure they couldn't vote. Not just the Independents but the Democrats. She won by DWS switching a whole lot of Democrat votes to independent. She won by the 1% who are in charge of the media not only donating to her campaign but running 24/7 news in support of her and locking out Bernie and telling lies when they brought him up.
She did not win any real vote. And her popularity continues it's nose dive.
The only poll going up that has her name on it is the people who won't vote for her no matter what.
moriah
(8,311 posts)Debbie Washerman Schotlz, from Florida, created voter suppression in NY? She switched Democratic voters to independent voters in other states?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)you through the stages of Grief. Right now, you're in Denial.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)It's nonsense but I'm sure it makes you feel better.
She won NY by 16%. Had independents voted in the primary she would still have voted. But it's a 40 year old system of primary voting in NY and wannabe Sanders voters who didn't change their registrations get no sympathy from me.
DWS had absolutely nothing to do with NY elections. You just need another woman to smear.
senseandsensibility
(17,108 posts)but certainly not a one percenter, and I'm crying my eyes out tonight.
Ino
(3,366 posts)WiffenPoof
(2,404 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)perhaps they would consider NOT shooting themselves in the foot.
Yes, you get to perhaps live another 50 years (although who says I won't make 104?)
As such, it is hugely in your self interest to keep Republicans from winning elections.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)You think she's going to fight for the little guy? LMAO!
This is a puppet show. The political system in this country is a sham. It's an oligarchy.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)that has always been true.
But there are worse people in the world.
Consider Kathleen Sebelius. As Governor of Kansas she did not do all that much for the little guy. However, there is no question at all that she was much, much, much better than Sam Brownback.
When I was young and foolish I voted for a socialist in 1992. I saw Bill Clinton as a moderate Republican, not much different than either Bush or Perot. I also cast a pointless protest vote in 1996, because Dole was expected to lose anyway.
Yet, whatever his flaws, and I would still say they were many, he was light years better than George W. Bush, and we would have been better off if Republicans had NOT been swept into the House for 12 years.
lapfog_1
(29,218 posts)we are oligarchs... but better than the repuke oligarchs
That's the bumper sticker you want us to run with?
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)You have a better idea? Your bumper sticker is "fuck the Democrats, let the Republicans win".
I wish we had better alternatives, but I need to deal with the world as it is, not as the way I wish it was.
In the real world it is demonstrably worse if Republicans win.
But it is young people who are gonna have to live in the world that Republicans make. They may be angry enough to do something stupid like let that happen, or like punching a wall. But either way, they just end up in a world of hurt. Keep your head, and use it.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)You have been told she hasn't, but it isn't true
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)So IT companies and companies like Disney can force American workers to train their cheaper foreign replacements? She wants to expand that program.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)never, under any circumstances, vote for her. She's just plain awful.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Your candidate is a venal oligarch's puppet...it's just that her supporters don't care.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Same with Cruz.
It's always been bogus to argue the choice was HRC or defeat.
We don't have to settle for cynical centrists anymore.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)the choice will be HRC or defeat
And I do not believe those happy predictions about a Bernie nomination. There's a long time between now and November. My feeling is that his nomination would Bern down the democratic party.
And I was not willing to test that theory out on my head.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)wedge or distraction from "the real issues". Really a shame he never invested in us.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Bernie was just as good on schools, criminal justice reform and opposition to institutional racism.
And it was WHITE people he was telling to look beyond color...he never said POC should stop fighting bigotry. No one who had been in the freedom movement would ever call on POC to do such a thing.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)JimDandy
(7,318 posts)from winning elections, no matter what party they are in.
There, fixed it for you...
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)Once the nominations are made then the contest is D vs. R. You think a 3rd wayer is worse than an R? That Bill Clinton was worse than George W. Bush? and so was Obama?
Renew Deal
(81,869 posts)msongs
(67,433 posts)the real democrat in the race, not the fake dem who is only running as a dem because that's wehre the $$ is
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msanthrope
(37,549 posts)uponit7771
(90,348 posts)Dem2
(8,168 posts)is not a nice taste at times.
Stuckinthebush
(10,847 posts)Just said, "of course we will support Clinton. Only an idiot wouldn't with Trump or Cruz as the alternative."
The yutes ain't idiots
littlebit
(1,728 posts)I might be getting older but rich? Wow this super rich trucker is just going to sit here and read this crap laughing my ass off. You throw a better fit than my two year old grandson.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Higher income earners went for Sanders.
Clinton does well among older, less educated, lower income voters.
Of course, the exception being the democratic establishment, but they don't make up the majority of that demographic.
Its very similar to the republican party, people who don't vote their best interests b/c they continue to believe the lies.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)but it gets him votes. Lots of gullibles out there at those big venues
basselope
(2,565 posts)I know people who vote for Clinton don't have those, because they are happy with the corrupt system we have now.. but most of us aren't happy with that system.
Which is why Clinton will never be president.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)I think, for many, they don't get much past name recognition and gender. Few people put much time into politics, or into researching issues beyond what they are spoon-fed. Very frustrating.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)Old and rich what??
underthematrix
(5,811 posts)We have three co-equal branches of gov't and one of them makes and funds federal laws. The Republicans have been trying to take my social security for decades. We need to come together and make sure we turn the House, Senate, govships, and state houses blue. And we have to keep the White House blue.
As an African American woman and senior I don't have time to get into my feels. I'm voting for you, my Latino brothers and sisters, my LGTB brothers and sisters, for two years of free community college for young people, for student loan forgiveness, for criminal justice reform, for universal healthcare, and the Supreme Court etc. I don't have the luxury of a case of the feels because there's just too much at stake.
PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)nolabear
(41,990 posts)MBS
(9,688 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,377 posts)and then he won 49 states from Mondale. Beating the Republicans has gotten a little easier, but the stakes get higher all the time. Bernie will tell you pretty much the same thing when he endorses Hillary. I hope you listen to him.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Rather than their corrupt candidate.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,416 posts)they lost a bunch of $$ in 2008 and are terrified they will lose more. Bernie represents change and olders hate change. Even old liberals.
Blue Idaho
(5,052 posts)Don't believe everything you hear on the radio. The exit polls do not support that nonsense.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Those people are not rich.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)But if they're that stupid, then we'll all suffer.
I doubt that that happens though.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)No doubt in my mind. This person we are nominating....is a weak candidate, an unlikable candidate, is under FBI investigation, votes in favor of war, and completely supports the 1%. She supports trade deals that sends American jobs overseas. She supports visa programs that brings foreign labor into America so companies can fire Americans workers and higher the foreign workers for cheaper.
This is a bad candidate. And Trump is going to beat her.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Some of them are despicable right-wingers and others just don't like smart, ambitious women.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)FFS, one look at her approval ratings should tell you that.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)Probably because she has always done her job, and that annoys the Rethugs.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Done it badly, maybe. Invisible in the Senate. Borderline incompetent as SoS. Failed spectacularly in her one significant effort as FLOTUS.
Of course, her real "job" is accumulating wealth...and she's damn good at that.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)And failed in her effort as FLOTUS -- thanks to Sanders' biggest supporter, Robert Reich -- who famously persuaded Bill that NAFTA should take priority over healthcare.
While she was FLOTUS, she WAS successful in getting CHIP through, providing health care to millions of children. And that was a bigger accomplishment than Bernie managed during those same years.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Bernie is a much weaker candidate. The Rs would love to run against him and his past
bjo59
(1,166 posts)a well known war monger and corporatist. I respect my own sense of ethics and I would never betray it by marking a ballot in support of someone who has pushed for so much bloodshed and misery around the world in the name of the almighty dollar. In my book that is deeply sinful. When powerful societies have degenerated, throughout history, there all always a very large number of their populations who have identified with and supported the very leaders who are bringing on that demise right up until the very end. Human psychology is a fairly twisted thing.
Avalon Sparks
(2,566 posts)I agree completely!
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)values by voting for candidates whose "D" after their names is bogus and meaningless. Hillary belongs to the CW party -- Corporatist Warmonger. No way can I support that.
NJCher
(35,707 posts)To me, it is immoral and unethical to line up behind Clinton. Cannot support the "bloodshed and misery". As citizens, it is disgraceful that we should even be put in this position.
Cher
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)nice.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)You gave up your principles and settled for victories-in-name, now you see that as inevitable for everyone else.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Or will you have to read what you wrote a few more times to figure out what you meant?
Blue Idaho
(5,052 posts)The youth vote is no different than it has been over the last 5 presidential elections cycles. It varies from 13% - 15% so as much as it feels like a massive movement, it's not really. I wish MORE young people were engaged in our Democracy but if history is any judge (and it is) that group of voters is not nearly as important as the over 40 crowd. Them old farts turn out election after election - for every election from dog catcher, to school board, to Presidential elections. Again - statistics don't lie. Sorry.
If you are interested in really building a significant voice for the 18 - 24 category, get everyone you know in the habit of voting - every chance you can. Become informed and vote consistently at every election - not just the trendy ones - sheriff, city council, mayor, school levies, every possible election - and that includes student body elections if you happen to be in college. Any idea how many students vote in your average student body election? 2%. Get your friends in the habit of voting and remember - win some, lose some.
nolabear
(41,990 posts)Fortunately we're mature enough to try to help you as you tantrum.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)thanks dearie
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Jester Messiah
(4,711 posts)May it be a comfort to you in November.
actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)MFM008
(19,818 posts)to congratulate HRC.
JSup
(740 posts)You show with that statement how little you know about any of us.
We are many colors, many ages, many income-brackets just like you guys.
If we were all part of the rich there wouldn't be enough of us to win New York or any other state, really.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)These people have been INSULTING Bernie supporters from the beginning. We are called "Berniebros." We are called brats and communists. They claim we are unrealistic. We are called idiots who "just want free stuff."
Sorry, but "class" left town a long time ago. The gloves are off.
Eko
(7,336 posts)who have no class, choosing to have no class yourself because of this is very self defeating and just perpetuates it even more. Find your ground and stick to it, calling out anyone who engages in this type of behavior and you will be one of the people fixing things instead.
hamsterjill
(15,223 posts)I hope you remember this post and I hope you will be ashamed of yourself. Every generation benefits from the ones before it, and no one is deserving of your snark.
Now, slug off back to wherever you hang out and let the rest of us - old AND young deal with the real problems. You sound like as snively, entitled, spoiled brat.
ecstatic
(32,727 posts)Btw, I'm not rich, and I'm not that old. Just a few months outside the millenial generation.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)from whatever havoc comes in their (relatively short) future.
If the youth disengage because they didn't get their first choice among the Dems, they'll be the ones to suffer the most.
But we older Dems, rich or otherwise, aren't going to give up on them even if they give up on us.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)should be expected to support a condescending white DINO woman for president.
But, sometimes we just have to hold our noses and vote and wait for a better future.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)If your future is dependent on any politician you will be disappointed. Bernie already has his-He's been making six figures for 25 years. He didn't get that by waiting.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)And I'm too tired to run myself. Most of the country is shifting right and I've been totally discouraged by the sheer volume of DINOs and TeaPartiers emerging.
Sometimes, treading water is most positive thing I can do.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)as a "hard core liberal" by ontheissues.org.
It's a joke that anyone thinks Hillary isn't a progressive.
ontheissues.org
k8conant
(3,030 posts)plus she equivocates on abortion and is a hawk and corporatist.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)which only covers abortions till the fetus can survive outside of the womb.
Neither of them believes in infanticide.
Asked more specifically if he would support restrictions on abortions for pregnancies farther along than five months, Sanders simply responded, "I am very strongly pro-choice. That is a choice to be made between a woman, her physician and her family."
Clinton, by contrast, noted that she has gone on the record as in favor of some "late-pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother."
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)and neither does Hillary. Both would say the decision should be medically based -- and no doctor will kill a healthy viable fetus of a healthy mother.
So in the real, non-hair-splitting world, Bernie and Hillary take the same position.
And Hillary's position is so strong that she has the support of NARAL.
https://berniesanders.com/press-release/roe-v-wade/
As president, I will fight attempts to undercut Roe v. Wade. Women must have full control over their reproductive health in order to have full control over their lives. We must rescind the Hyde Amendment and resist attempts by states to erect roadblocks to abortion.
As president, I will appoint justices to the Supreme Court who understand the importance to all Americans of preserving Roe v. Wade and protecting the privacy rights and freedoms which that landmark ruling established.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)Why are you quoting Bernie's position to me when we were questioning Hillary's?
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)And I am quoting Bernie's postion to show his support of Roe v. Wade -- the same decision that Hillary supports.
k8conant
(3,030 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)And NARAL recognized this, when they called him out on his statement that abortion was a "distraction" in the campaign.
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2016/01/22/lifelong-record-roe-anniversary/
Forty- three years ago, the U.S. Supreme Court issued its ruling on Roe V. Wade, protecting a womans right to make her own health care decisions. Today, we are reminded of the importance of ensuring this constitutional right is preserved and protected from Republican attempts to overturn it. As Hillary Clinton said, Roe V. Wade is the touchstone of our reproductive freedom, the embodiment of our most fundamental rights, and no one no judge, no governor, no Senator, no President has the right to take it away. And the fact is, with womens reproductive freedom at stake in this election Hillary Clinton is the only candidate in this race who has led the fight to protect womens reproductive rights throughout her entire career and she will do so in the future.
http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/media/press-releases/2016/pr04182016_crisis.html
ON ABORTION ACCESS, BERNIE SANDERS STILL DOESN'T GET IT. HILLARY CLINTON DOES.
NARAL Pro-Choice America President Ilyse Hogue released the following statement in response to Hillary Clinton's comments about our nation's crisis of abortion access at today's rally in New York:
"At a time when women are going to jail for miscarriages, and when women's health clinics are being shuttered at a record pace, leaving women with fewer options for reproductive health care, cancer screenings, and abortion care, Bernie Sanders still doesn't seem to get the real crisis at hand. Women are literally being hurt and their lives and their futures are on the line. And it's getting worse. Hillary Clinton gets it, which is why she must be our next president.
"She is the only candidate in this race who has actively fought for women's equality her entire life. She wants to expand reproductive freedom because doing so breaks down barriers for women and families. She puts women at the center of every conversation, because she knows that womens rights are human rights. And she knows that it's not just a 'distraction' when a Republican candidate threatens to punish women for having an abortion it's a clear and present danger to families across our country.
"She's right: Defending Americans' access to abortion is one of her core issues, and yes, it is appalling for any candidate to dismiss the abortion access crisis as a mere distraction. That's why we need a true champion for reproductive freedom in the White House."
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Awfully bitter and ageist for a young person, WOW.
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)I find it to be absolute shit. No matter who wins, we all lose.
There is absolutely nothing to be motivated and happy about that match-up.
Everytime I say to someone, "What do you think if the election is Hillary and Trump?" And practically every single time people just chuckle, look down, and shake their heads. Everyone knows this country is so fucked. It never gets better. It's the same fucking shit every 4 years thanks to these two parties.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)the craws of a lot of dudes, but those would be the ones whose votes are less relevant than ever.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)in history, probably ultimately giving Trump the edge because Hillary is hated with intense passion by Republicans (and not much liked by Independents and Bernie Dems either.) Repukes , however, would happily vote for Charles Manson before they'd vote for Hillary -- and they will most certainly turn out in November.
HillareeeHillaraah
(685 posts)Gallup poll: Clinton Most Admired Woman Reocrd 20th Time
http://www.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx
Her Favorables will go back up once Senator Sanders & Co. stop smearing her and Pres. Obama is able to campaign out loud for her.
She has staying power. He's going back to running as the Independant Senator from Vermont, ending his brief foray as a Democrat - a move he made only to be elected as our party's leader. He has disparaged every Democrat who didn't support him as somehow being corrupt.
You can sit it out and complain from the sidelines, the rest of us have work to do.
Peace.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)I guess if you already have enough money to make it there, you want to keep other people from having a chance to succeed in life as well as you have?
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)you will be disappointed.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)polichick
(37,152 posts)We've been trying to reach critical mass since the 70s - with the millenials, we are there.
The revolution has only just begun.
Splinter Cell
(703 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)I guess to you I am old(over 50) and rich, just because. But I lived in Arkansas in the 70's and 80's and here is what happened.
A good Arkansas boy came back from college up north and even time in England. All good so far. And he brought this Yankee wife with him, but since is was a good homeboy he was given a pass. Because, believe it or not, back then, only 40 years ago, attending college up North or, even worse, marrying a Yankee raised eyebrows.
And in 74 and 75, although he was so young, he was clearly the smartest man in the room. Even if he had a Yankee wife. So he worked his way into statewide office in 76 and in 78 became the youngest governor in the nation. But his supporters were shocked to find that he was not a George Wallace Democrat but a LBJ Democrat. So they worked to get him defeated in 80. And what was their main point of attack? The fact the their good ole' homeboy's wife had not taken his name. That's right, all you progressives, in the 70's Hillary, in a Southern State in the mid 70's, did not take her husbands name. Her name was Hillary Rodham. And it cost him the election in 80. Back then Arkansas was the only state where the Governor had a 2 year term.
So Hillary took his name and in 1982 Bill won. Those of you about to call Hillary a sellout can shove it. It was common knowledge that she was pissed. But those were the times Try living in Arkansas in 1982 and criticizing her decision. And had she not take her name, Bill would not have been re-elected governor and GHWB would have won reelection in 1992 because Bill was the only Democrat with the balls to take him on. If you do not know why no other Democratic challenged Bush, check the polls at the time. Bush had just won Gulf War 1 and was very popular.
And from 1978 till now the Right wing Press, which is now the regular, corporate press, has been attacking that woman. I could expound when in the early 90's she tried, under her husbands presidency to get a Health Care system in place that covered ALL AMERICANS. A system like they have in Europe. And a Democratic controlled congressed rejected it leading to the loss of the Congress for the first time in 40 years. If we had HILLARY CARE now heath care would not be an issue.
Hillary has always been to the left of Bill. She has been demonized and trashed in the most misogynist ways for the last 40 years. So disagree with her policies, but questioning her ethics is Bullshit.
Oh, and I am a Middle Aged White Male.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)to Bernie announcing his run for POTUS.
betsuni
(25,589 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)You mus love those old photos of Bill Clinton hanging out at bar-b-q's with George Wallace and Bush Sr., and the ones of Hillary with Kissinger. The people you describe bear little to no resemblance to the Clintons I know of.
Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)I'd like to see them.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)you can find Kissinger/Hillary ones easily enough. Surprised you haven't seen them.
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
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Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)Just not the Wallace ones.
Kissinger has met with everyone.
That's not really important.
https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/mH8CUBzQO2WcAOOlpJtpMJrzmQs=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6252581/87854116.jpg
Two Southern governors with the VP almost interesting till you consider there were two Wallaces ,pre and post, Arthur Bremer.
While neither was worth much, the later did make an act of contrition.
Have you ever heard of the Clinton Body count?
http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/BODIES.php#axzz46QuuRPpC
I think you'd like that.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)Never was into the Clinton body count RW B.S.
And you're mistaken about the Kissinger connection too. Bernie Sanders is no friend of Kissinger's. And the Clinton - Kissinger connection is no small matter, they are quite close. Given the current environment here at DU, that's all I will say. Done with this.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Deflection. Is there anything inaccurate about my post? I like Bernie as well as Hillary but it chaffes my ass when I hear so many liberals spouting right wing talking points about her. The corporate press has been trashing Hillary so long it has become mainstream even in Democratic circles. But some of us have paid attention for the last 40 years.
Name one person in American life has been attacked as brutality as she has for so long.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)I'm not going to convince you, nor vice versa, have a good one.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)mikehiggins
(5,614 posts)Of course there are some of us who thought this would be easy, starting a political revolution. Don't count me among that number. Yeah, I am old and yeah, I do have my Social Security (which I paid for every week of the 50 years I had a job) and I have my retirement benefits (which I paid for with years of hard labor in construction) and I support Bernie Sanders.
If you really do intend to live on this planet for the next 50 years I suggest you get to work making things better rather than whining about how bad us old timers are. Bernie's even older than I am but he makes a lot more sense than you do.
If he's not the nominee you have to vote for CLinton, if only to gain four more years to try and make the movement grow. I'm sure she'll give us ample reasons for doing so. On the other hand, she has to be better for this country than any of the GOPuke clowns.
Unfortunately, that'll take work, and frustration, and aggravation and all that sort of stuff. I hope you are up to the challenge.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Not so keen on the old part, though; kind of liked being 27.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)I'm not that old!
book_worm
(15,951 posts)and yes, plenty of youth will vote for her and most polls show this. You are just a bad loser. Actually you sound like a spoiled brat.
RandySF
(59,090 posts)I guess I can fill out my retirement papers tomorrow.
TeamPooka
(24,242 posts)LuvLoogie
(7,020 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Response to davidn3600 (Original post)
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Sancho
(9,070 posts)Demsrule86
(68,632 posts)WE have been in the trenches for years...fighting...we lived though Bush and some through Reagan...you guys have one disappointment and you take your ball and go home. If you don't fight...your life will be meaningless no matter what your income. What about LGBT? What about women and choice, poor people...you people willing to watch them be persecuted? And it will happen. They get the courts, they reinstate sodomy laws...there are more important things than one old guy.
randr
(12,413 posts)I was there and quite surprised how many young people were in the Hill camp.
Watch out your ageism is showing.
riversedge
(70,270 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)Never going to happen.
Someone needs to start taking a stand for the little guy. The Democratic party sure doesn't anymore. This party is now run by the same bullshit as the GOP....corruption, money, and elitism.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)If Princess Weathervane ends up winning the nomination, I won't vote for her, period. I'll be too busy helping to defeat Kate Brown here in Oregon to do much more than that...but I damn sure won't vote for a venal, lying sack like Hillary.
MineralMan
(146,324 posts)of voters in the NY primary. Truly. See who voted for Hillary. Hint: It wasn't old, rich Democrats.
The voters made their wishes pretty clear yesterday. Look at who voted for whom, please.
bigtree
(86,005 posts)...they're not responsible for making certain young voters get to the polls.
I'm 55 and have been working-class all of my adult life, barely surviving paycheck to paycheck with zero savings. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about if you think all of Hillary's voters are old and rich.
This has to be the stupidest post-NY election post yet.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Or at least can't do anything to help the poor(that's the reason Wall Street gives anyone money...to stop them being progressive...it's the ONLY reason anyone on Wall Street donates to campaigns).
You've hated Bernie for months and he was never going to betray you as president. If you are for economic justice, you are automatically going to be equally committed to fighting racism as well, because you have to defeat greed to defeat racism, and the other way around. They are distinct but connected causes.
jcgoldie
(11,636 posts)...minorities who have hijacked the party.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Hillary crushed Bernie in Brownsville 4-1
Median Household Income-$15, 978.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brownsville,_Brooklyn
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Cut this silly shit out please.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)That's why Bernie is gettin his butt whipped!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)poor.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)I may sound like a child....
And then proceeds to sound like a child. lol
at fuckin 24.