2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary is Going Broke and the DNC Can’t Help Anymore
Major media outlets reported in February that the majority of her donors had already reached their maximum campaign contribution. Which wouldnt have been an issue had things gone as planned. The problem was Sanders was still in the race and on pace to raise 40 million+ for the month. Clinton desperately needed to close Sanders out in March. However, she failed to do so.
Sanders opened March with an upset in Michigan and finished with a rout of the Northwest and Hawaii. To make matters worse for the cash strapped Clinton, he raised another daunting 40 million in campaign funds. With her core donors nearly tapped out, Clinton was facing two months in a campaign running solely on Super Pac money. Super Pacs can act in favor of, but cant make direct contributions to a campaign.
Like Mike Tyson described Muhammad Alis ability to dominate late rounds of championship boxing. Sanders is taking Clinton to deep waters and drowning her.
https://politicalreads.wordpress.com/2016/04/19/hillary-is-going-broke-and-the-dnc-cant-help-anymore/
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)questionseverything
(9,659 posts)In a letter to the DNC, the Sanders campaign describes how Clinton may be commingling funds between her joint fundraising committee with the DNCs Hillary Victory Fund (HVF) and her campaign fund Hillary For America (HFA) by having HVA subsidize and even make impermissible in-kind contributions to HFA directly.
The letter points out that $15 million was used from the HVF for direct mail and online solicitations solely for Clinton, meaning the small donor return would only benefit one campaign and not be disbursed amongst the committee. The letter further states that the HVF is paying Clinton campaign staffers on an over reimbursement basis, allowing the committee to inject large sums of money into her campaign at any given time.
A recent filing with Federal Elections Committee cited that over 9 million dollars was given to HFA by HVF while less than 2 million was disbursed to the other committee members.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)I'm glad things worked out for them and they are able to afford groceries now.
JanetLovesObama
(548 posts)DESPERATE Sanders supporters. Beyond ridiculous !
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)But he might have. FEC after him.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)If only there was a way to take public money out of politics.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)rather than a guy who hates the party and doesn't want to see it succeed.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)FDR might disagree with you.
If centrist is what Democrat has become, then we are fucked as a country.
Did this all start when Dukakis ran away from the "liberal" label like it was the plague? Why are progressive ideals now a bad thing?
And if he hated the party and didn't want it to succeed, he would have run as an Independent. Is that really what you want?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)By "actual Democrat" I mean someone who has been a registered Democrat for more than one election cycle, and who has raised funds for down ticket Democrats and the Democratic party, and who has shown a willingness to put her ego aside for the good of the party (endorsing Obama in 2008 after a long and bitter primary campaign).
Not some third party saboteur who baselessly accuses the party of breaking federal law and sues it, and then sends fundraising emails out to trash the party that is hosting him.
We're going to reject him hard tonight.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Maybe you should sit the next few plays out...
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Good ... You've finally exposed yourself...
and who has raised funds for down ticket Democrats and the Democratic party, and who has shown a willingness to put her ego aside for the good of the party (endorsing Obama in 2008 after a long and bitter primary campaign).
These are people who have whole heartedly embraced the oligarchy.
Congratulations... The truth shall reveal itself.
tex-wyo-dem
(3,190 posts)Keep living in your dream world, geek. It'll be ok, Sanders will make a great Democratic president.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Hope that works out in the GE.
I assume I won't see you complaining about independents that would have voted for Sanders not voting for Clinton, because, you know, you want this all done with "actual Democrats."
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)about which party and candidate will better serve the nation in office.
If someone thinks Donald Trump is better than Hillary Clinton, then no I don't want that person to help choose our party leadership.
By the way, plenty of moderate voters would vote for Clinton but not Sanders.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)You think you get to just piss all over these people in the primaries and talk about how they just want free stuff and aren't real Democrats and aren't reliable voters and are just sexist Bernie Bros and then just expect them to forget all of that in the fall. You know that the likelihood isn't that they won't vote for the Republican but just won't vote because they have been so turned off by their reception. And probably won't become Democrats down the road, either, because it is being made clear that this isn't the party for progressives.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Independents are usually more than happy to tell anyone who will listen that they are not Democrats.
Sanders supporters would have a lot more cred on their cries of having to take it had they not dished it out with such zeal about how everyone who didn't vote for Sanders was a corrupt neocon neoliberal low information establishment drone.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)I have been a progressive Democrat for over 30 years. I'm sick and tired of having to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. I'll be 50 when I vote this time around. If Clinton gets the nomination, I don't know how many more times I can do that. It would be nice if the party actually represented me. The only time I've feel really good about it was when I got to vote for Feingold. I will get to do that again this fall, so that will be enjoyable.
Both of my kids are millennials. Both are strikingly progressive. Neither one knows if they can vote for Clinton because they dislike her so much.
And pardon those of us that are upset that our party has been co-opted by centrists. I'm a progressive and would like our party to go back to that. YMMV.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Obama
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nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It started earlier but that was the first obvious symptom
The DLC was the obvious manifestation. The hard truth is that neoliberalism is not compatible with things like Climate change so it has already peaked. There are also revolts already starting. If we survive as a species, the war in Iraq and the Arab Spring, as well as Occupy will be seen as the beginning of that.
Oh I do not expect hyper partisans to understand why either
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)I think a lot of young voters that are progressives are going to be turned off to the Democratic party if Clinton gets the nomination. Hopefully that fuels something.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)Also, hilarious.
oasis
(49,408 posts)And that's tonight.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)Get used to it.
oasis
(49,408 posts)contributions will greatly increase after he's neatly put away in tonight's NY contest. Since the OP was concerned about Hillary's cash flow, I thought I could give him some reassurance.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)friends find away around campaign finance law.
Maybe she can still agree to take matching funds...
oasis
(49,408 posts)So now she can lay chilly and prepare for the GE.
awake
(3,226 posts)Hillary's is not the only one that may be in trouble the DNC could be bought in by conspiring go outside of the law to get money into Hillary's campaign.
amborin
(16,631 posts)the nomination and she will NEVER be president
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)world and recoup that in no time.
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)I guess this means Sanders supporters are beating her at her own game!
She never saw that coming! Poetic justice.
brush
(53,869 posts)What is it, you can have it both ways?
Waiting For Everyman
(9,385 posts)and loses.
I'll bet she won't put much of her own money in though. And that should tell us something about what she thinks of her own chances. She knows she's in deep shit with the FBI.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)"She knows she's in deep shit with the FBI."
Buns_of_Fire
(17,195 posts)"Jeez, Hill, again? Okay, okay, I'll set it up. But could you choose a different subject than 'My Favorite Recipes' this time? Four of my most productive employees came down with food poisoning after that one. They really liked your 'Household Hints: How to Instruct Your Chief of Staff on Proper Discipline of the Servants', though. Maybe something along those lines?..."
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)There are no factual sources cited, no quantifiable data, no original news story referenced, it's just a blogger's rambling stream of consciousness.
If you were aware that this was nothing more than an anonymous personal rant then you've naively wasted everyone's time just to promote some badly written partisan puffery and all your posts should be suspect. Worse, if you weren't able to distinguish between the opinion of an unknown blogger and a legitimate news story, or at least the biased and well written commentary from the professional punditry class, then your posts are a total waste of time outside the one group.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)On this already.
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Anything that disagrees with that is obviously part of the Giant Right Wing Conspiracy (tm) and must be ignored!
randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Of course not.
procon
(15,805 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)To check things
procon
(15,805 posts)not small donors, new donors, or the big money bundlers, or the outside groups working on her behalf. Bernie beat Clinton in recent fundraising, and that's what prompted this blogger to claim that "Hillary is going broke", and calling her "cash strapped Clinton", even though Open Secrets has Hillary raising a total of $159,903,968, and Bernie $139,810,841.
Additionally, not all the money that Clinton raises is flowing into her campaign coffers, but going to other democrats down ballot, and as yet, Bernie isn't too keen on helping other democratic candidates. George Clooney's recent fundraiser collected as much as $353,000 per couple, but only the first $2,700 went to Clinton, the next $33,400 to the DNC and the rest to state parties. He talked about this in an interview with Chuck Todd that aired April 17 on "Meet the Press":
"The overwhelming amount of money that we're raising, and it is a lot, but the overwhelming amount of the money that we're raising is not going to Hillary to run for president, it's going to the down-ticket."
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/apr/17/george-clooney/george-clooney-decries-big-money-politics-says-mos/
bluedigger
(17,087 posts)Had I made any claims as to the source you would have had a point, I suppose. I'll be the best judge of how I spend my time here.
procon
(15,805 posts)When you choose to link to a blog post with no factual citation, you've already made the point that you're more interested to tossing out these little firecrackers as chum. No doubt, it's one way to spend your time here, although it seems to be an oddly self limiting undertaking with a short shelf life.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)campaigning.
And as to down ticket money - read How Hillary Clinton Bought the Loyalty of 33 State Democratic Parties and see how much money they get back out of the deal in the end. Very little.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)but this proud supporter sent in $100 yesterday - keep up the good work!
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,195 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)She has spent years preparing for the race. Money and manipulation have been top considerations. She is loaded but has money she cannot spend evidently. And her focus on only top top givers who are topped out at this point means she has not asked little people for support. Maybe she needs to ask! If she stands up and goes public, I am sure many people will support her. Not me, but I am aware of her amazing support in the general public. Future candidates take note! You need to build a relationship with the little guys!
NCjack
(10,279 posts)Maybe George Clooney can shake down some more friends of his.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)And if you put your trust in the people, you can't lose (to paraphrase Lincoln)
Hillary put her trust in money, in mammon. Don't say they didn't warn you.
beedle
(1,235 posts)It would have to be charity since there's really nothing important in them .. right?
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
apnu
(8,758 posts)And Bernie is sucking up a lot of dollars, closing off many funding avenues that would be open to Hillary were he not doing as well as he is. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, and, apparently, nobody expects Bernie Sanders either.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Wouldn't have given to Hillary. I sure as hell wouldn't .
felix_numinous
(5,198 posts)must be rough.
Utopian Leftist
(534 posts)"Brother, Can You Spare 200K?"
What I can't understand is why the main$tream, Corporate Propaganda Machine, American Pravda doesn't just let Hill run all of her commercials FOR FREE! Seriously, they might as well. It's not as if they hold any pretense towards a lack of bias towards her. The Powers That Be desperately prefer her to Bernie, this is clear to anyone with eyes to see or ears to hear.
jfern
(5,204 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)with the 33 state democratic parties - so that they can by-pass the $2,700 limit.
Hillary has had a huge advantage in the race for money - she has all kinds of corporate donors as well as superPac money to run her campaign. And she is close to broke? I don't think she is very efficient when it comes to working on a budget. How is she going to do with our national budget?
On the other hand so far Bernie has a lot less resources and is running an excellent campaign with the money he has.