2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSpoke with a NY voter today
She was on the fence for tomorrow, but leaning Hillary. Her reason, Hillary has better experience. She thinks that neither will probably get much done, but Bernie might be too ideological. I said that Bernie is OK, but I'm not comfortable with some of the people that surround him. She said she agreed. She said his supporters were very aggressive and she didn't like it. I wasn't referring to supporters. She was also concerned about his age. She happens to be a millennial andb will be supporting Hillary tomorrow.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)Its really quite sordid, Regimes she and Bill supported killed lots of people. Death squads and the like.
http://www.thenation.com/article/a-voters-guide-to-hillary-clintons-policies-in-latin-america/
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)flowed to Nigeria and helped Boko Haram; she supported arming rebels in Syria, she obstructed the peace plan in 2012 in Syria, all those have big effects on those people's lives, and on our lives
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)That seems like a really bad idea.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)She's friends with Henry Kissinger who should be indicted for crimes against humanity.
dchill
(38,532 posts)New marching orders? Or just nervous...
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)The hyperbole is coming from Bernie and the bros.
dchill
(38,532 posts)Textbook example of hyperbole. AKA blatant lie!
ecstatic
(32,731 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)dchill
(38,532 posts)Hence the quote marks. How did you not see that?
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)JackRiddler
(24,979 posts)Good for 38% of the vote, I figure.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Bernie Sanders holds a massive 32-point lead over Hillary Clinton with voters under 50
Source: The Hill
Clinton holds a 2-point edge nationally over Sanders, 50 to 48 percent, among Democratic primary voters surveyed in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll published Monday.
Clinton held a 9-point lead in the survey last month, besting the Independent Vermont senator, 53 to 44 percent. In January, she led by 25 points, 59 to 34 percent.
Nationally, Sanders leads Clinton, 66 to 32 percent, among white men in the latest poll, 66 to 34 percent among those ages 1849, and 69 to 29 percent among independents and Republicans.
Meanwhile, Clinton leads 62 to 35 percent among older voters and holds a big lead among Democrats, 59 to 40 percent, over the self-described democratic socialist.
The survey of 339 Democratic primary voters was conducted April 10-14 with a margin of error of 5.32 points.
Read more: http://hill.cm/nipxgBs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1772127
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Weaver and Devine have done what they've done. And you might notice in those poll numbers that they aren't 100 to 0. But since you like numbers...
1307 Hillary
1097 Bernie
http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P16/D
You don't need to thank me for not posting the real numbers which include super-delegates
w4rma
(31,700 posts)who will still be alive for the next elections.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Everybody doesn't die after November 8 despite the breathless proclamations that this election is life and death.
I made no comment at all about "millenials" other than the person I spoke with was from that age group.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Source: The Hill
Clinton holds a 2-point edge nationally over Sanders, 50 to 48 percent, among Democratic primary voters surveyed in the NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll published Monday.
Clinton held a 9-point lead in the survey last month, besting the Independent Vermont senator, 53 to 44 percent. In January, she led by 25 points, 59 to 34 percent.
Nationally, Sanders leads Clinton, 66 to 32 percent, among white men in the latest poll, 66 to 34 percent among those ages 1849, and 69 to 29 percent among independents and Republicans.
Meanwhile, Clinton leads 62 to 35 percent among older voters and holds a big lead among Democrats, 59 to 40 percent, over the self-described democratic socialist.
The survey of 339 Democratic primary voters was conducted April 10-14 with a margin of error of 5.32 points.
Read more: http://hill.cm/nipxgBs
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1772127
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Guess which lead counts...
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)Just kidding. Lets be real about this situation. If Bernie doesn't catch up with delegates picked by voters, super-delegates will never flip. And it's just not going to happen for Bernie.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)or "Mrs" I forgot.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)What? The convention won't happen for months? Well fuck me...
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)And toss in a traumatic brain injury for good measure?
SHRED
(28,136 posts)Hillary is aggressive.
Hillary was paid heavily for speeches to the same institutions who crashed the economy with their hedge fund schemes and toxic mortgage-backed securities.
Her son-in-law worked 8 years in the hedge fund industry at Goldman Sachs before starting his own hedge fund group into which the Goldman Sachs CEO is invested.
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/03/23/business/dealbook/for-clintons-a-hedge-fund-in-the-family.html
And her campaign manager John Podesta (Group) handles PR (public relations) for billions of dollars in arms sales to the Saudis from such big players like Lockheed Martin.
You know Saudi Arabia?... the country responsible for 9/11?
Well the John Podesta Group is essentially a go-between that helps Saudi Arabia with their image to further sales growth in weaponry, etc.
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/01/07/washingtons-multi-million-dollar-saudi-pr-machine
In Latin America her support for coup regimes, militarization, and privatization; trade deals that wreak economic havoc, all of which have resulted in death.
http://www.thenation.com/article/a-voters-guide-to-hillary-clintons-policies-in-latin-america/
"Hillary has nothing to brag about: Her foreign policy record is a disaster"
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/23/there_is_no_foreign_policy_d_league_hillarys_foreign_policy_disastrous_experience_partner/
She has waffled mightily regarding the potentially disastrous Trans Pacific Partnership trade deal (TPP).
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/08/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-now-opposes-trans-pacific-partners/
She was for fracking and the Keystone XL pipeline before she told us she isn't.
"Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World"
http://m.motherjones.com/environment/2014/09/hillary-clinton-fracking-shale-state-department-chevron
She is a recent convert to supporting same sex marriage after a decade of opposing it.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jun/17/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-change-position-same-sex-marriage/
jillan
(39,451 posts)Bernie is in better health?
Nah - didn't think so.
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)So she was aware of it.
But I did say that "I have a hard time seeing Bernie go two terms, though the Pope started his reign at 73." She said the pope is different and I agree.
jillan
(39,451 posts)mean a damn thing.
It's all about HEALTH!
Hillary has health problems, clots, thyroid, she had that fainting spell that ended up in a concussion.
Bernie does not. He has arthritis.
I only see one candidate running from morning shows, to rallies, walking on the streets shaking hands and back to another rally....and that is the 74 year old.
It's all about Health.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)But guess what... Hillary IS! Hillary has some serious health issues....
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)and all of them were for Bernie
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)How is it possible that Nixon still won?
Loudestlib
(980 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)more aggressive. Read your OP again.. you contradict yourself..
Baobab
(4,667 posts)nt
jillan
(39,451 posts)So fucking what? Did I start a thread about it? Nope. Mentioned it to a couple of other Bernie supporters but did not feel the need to boast about it.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Including millennials
Renew Deal
(81,871 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)this story. Sorry. It's too pat.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)At the start, the woman is leaning Hillary, at the end the OP writes that the voter will be voting for Hillary.
It doesn't ring true. And when we phonebank for Bernie we are screening, not having discussions trying to sway voters.
Doesn't smell right.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)I would send this back to the author for a better transition because readers wouldn't pay for it and it would get horrible reviews. Writing believable fiction is harder than people think.