If God really wanted to impregnate a woman,

[riqster]

He wouldn't need an earthly, raping intermediary. He didn't need one for the Virgin Mary, right?

Try this one on your Fundagelical associates when discussing Mourdock et.al. and watch their heads explode.

[Lionessa]

1. But unfortunately, he (god) was himself a rapist, so in order to be god-like,

which does seem to be the goal of the Bible's teachings, it's okay for men to rape.

[nichomachus]

3. No -- Mary agreed. She said Yes.

[Lionessa]

5. Really?? I hadn't read it that way. Chapter and verse please.

One has to wonder why such a "good" woman would have chosen to do something she knew that god said she should be killed for, . . . adultery.

[Maeve]

9. Luke 1:38

Mary said "I am the servant of the Lord. Let it be done to me as you say." With that the angel left her.

[Lionessa]

15. That's a little after the fact, don't you think?

[DemKittyNC]

16. Yeah

...but ...err, There is several different types of Consent tho. If a woman is 'actually' consenting, well a woman's body has a way of shutting that down.

[cliffordu]

10. Holy fucking shit.

You are absolutely right.

God was a rapist.

I WILL try this out on the next fundie I argue with.

[Lionessa]

12. Add to that he forced Mary to participate in a sin worthy of being killed according to the same god,

adultery.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. What kind of a god sneaks around, impregnating a woman

when she isn't even aware of it, then sending some angel to break the news to her instead of doing it himself?

I know, I'm going to hell for that....

[Angry Dragon]

4. A bad god

[Lionessa]

6. The Biblical god, and many before him.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

11. True. One of the stranger instances of gods as rapists

occurs in Greek mythology. The god Zeus is said to have assumed the shape of a swan, and in that form raped Leda - who then laid two eggs, from which her children hatched.

A swan? Really?

Why would Zeus become a swan, apart from the fact that it is one of the very few birds that actually has a penis? Why not some kind of mammal? Wouldn't any woman get pretty freaked out if a swan started coming on to her? Actually, I guess I'd also be pretty freaked out if it were a bear or a jaguar or a goat...

Back to the point, though, gods having their way with mortal women for various purposes does seem to be a recurring theme in many religions.

But a swan?

[Lionessa]

13. Just a healthy dose of beastiality I guess. It's all sick bs and I hate that in the 21st Century

we still have to cave to ideologies that embrace myths whether it be xianity, or islam, or judaism. or any others I'm not currently thinking about.

[JRLeft]

7. If there is a God, he doesn't seem to give a fuck about anything.

[Bluenorthwest]

8. Your theology is dated. Evangelicals no longer believe Mary was a virgin.

They are now Mittvangelicals, or Fundamormons, and Mormon theology says the virgin birth is not true at all. The whole 'one God' and 'virgin birth' thing has been replaced with materials about Kaloob and how one can become a God yourself, if you are male. Being white really helps too. But Virgin Birth? No. Muslims and Christians believe that, not Mormogelicals.

[Lionessa]

14. Mormons and evangelicals are different, and I've never heard an evangelical say Mary didn't have

a virgin birth.

Though cute, combining evangelicalism and Mormonism doesn't work at all. Not the same. And since the Olympics in SLC, Mormons now claim Jesus was Christ ( literally the son of god), though previously they claimed he was only a disciple, regardless of the "jesus christ" in the full name of their religion.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

17. Evangelicals and Mormons are entirely different from one another.

Evangelicals (Baptists, Assembly of God, etc.) are "traditional" Christians who believe in the literal truth of the Bible (which is tricky, but that's another discussion). Most evangelicals as well as mainstream Christians (Presbyterians, Lutherans, Catholics, etc.) consider Mormons to be either heretics or not Christians at all. This is why Mittens hasn't discussed his religion very much, while other politicians tend to make a big deal of theirs.

[HopeHoops]

18. Yeah, he'd just do it himself. Shit if you're God you can fuck anyone you want!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. That's why I don't understand the Zeus/swan myth.

If he wanted Leda, why did he have to turn himself into a swan? He was Zeus, for pete's sake!

[HopeHoops]

20. Yeah, well Eve's "apple from a snake" didn't involve a tree, if you know what I mean.

People often have difficulties with allegories. Plato expressed that well with the cave.

[riqster]

21. They nicked the virgin-birth story from other religions

...as Christianity has done so often. But the Fundies won't know that...