Hillary campaigned for Alison Grimes who openly opposed the assault weapons ban.

[think]

Make up your mind Hillary.

Same background-check standards at gun store versus gun show

Grimes mentioned her longstanding invitation to meet McConnell at a gun range, before saying she opposes banning assault weapons but is open to considering changes to how guns are purchased at gun shows. "You shouldn't have different standards when you go to a gun store versus a gun show," Grimes said.

Grimes said she is a "big supporter" of the 2nd Amendment and does not believe that banning weapons "is the way to actually reduce the violence that we see here in the US." Instead, she said, the government should work harder "to make sure we educate people and that we enforce the law."

When the Herald-Leader submitted a questionnaire to the Senate campaigns in May, Grimes responded to a question about requiring background checks at gun shows by saying that she supports "reasonable background checks to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill." She said at the time, "However, these efforts should not infringe upon the right of law-abiding Americans to possess firearms."

Source: Lexington Herald Leader on 2014 Kentucky Senate race , Sep 25, 2014

http://www.ontheissues.org/domestic/Alison_Grimes_Gun_Control.htm

[geek tragedy]

1. Clinton supports down ticket Democrats without imposing a purity test

Unlike St. Bernard the Sanctimonious.

[think]

7. Grimes opposed the assault weapons ban and wouldn't admit voting for Obama. Hillary sure knows

how to pick them....

[Ken Burch]

10. How is supporting pro-gun down-ticket Dems LESS of a betrayal

than Bernie opposing the NRA on ALMOST all major issues?

You pretty much give up your moral outrage rights when you rationalize support for conservatives like Grimes and Strickland.

[wendylaroux]

12. all the deaths from assault weapons...

not from st hillarious the compulsive!!!!! nooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[northernsouthern]

30. Really..

...just really? That is amazing, do you take yoga? To be so flexible to go from unimpeachable anger at Bernie's vote, to unimpeachable anger at Bernie not supporting someone that supports that? In a world as black and white as yours, you would thing contrast would be an important think, you may need to adjust your tube tv to get the joke.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

47. She's a hypocrite. On the bright side, that's almost nothing compared to some other things she is.

[geek tragedy]

56. Including the Democratic nominee nt

[DisgustipatedinCA]

59. It's with sadness and disgust that I acknowledge she'll likely be the nominee.

We'll all be much worse off for that.

[northernsouthern]

76. Wow, just wow.

Yet another post that shows what a true greek tragedy our system has become. (see what I did there)

[still_one]

77. That is the take away. We don't have the majority in either house now

and that is the consequences of not supporting the down ticket

[Doctor_J]

81. And yet his D- from the NRA is a deal breaker for many hillarians

Flexible morals

[djean111]

2. She is an opportunistic hypocrite.

Not presidential material in any way, IMO.

[bettyellen]

3. She knows she needs more than three congress people to help her raise the minimum wage....

otherwise we get nothing.

[mcar]

4. ...

[DeeDeeNY]

5. Alison Grimes is the Democratic candidate who refused to say if she voted for Obama

[ViseGrip]

6. Well well, this proves she only smears in a campaign, as this post shows.

[think]

13. Hilllary only cares about guns when it will help her win the nomination. Otherwise

she'll gladly take the opposite position and be for guns if that will help her win.

How anyone could trust someone like this is beyond me....

[MattP]

8. yes let us have a 30 state strategy and keep the party pure must keep out the unclean dems

[think]

9. Alison Grimes refused to admit she voted for Obama. Did Grimes win?

[dawg]

11. I guess she should have just endorsed McConnell instead.

Silly Hillary, trying to get Democrats elected in red states.

[think]

14. Ya. Grimes was the perfect choice. If you're a complete hypocrite.

[uponit7771]

17. Most of the time in Adult World "perfect choice" isn't available and letting perfect be the enemy

... of good or adequate is Podium Bird thinking

[dawg]

21. I wish I had Grimes representing me in the Senate right now.

Instead of the two Republicans who *do* represent my state.

[think]

23. Maybe she should have said she voted for Obama and shown she WAS a Democrat.

[dawg]

26. Of course she should have. But she didn't.

Oftentimes we have to deal with the choices we have rather than the choices we wished we had.

I voted for Bernie. I preferred Martin O'Malley, but his campaign was already suspended by the time my state primary rolled around.

But I do not find any fault in Sec. Clinton for endorsing Grimes.

[Fuddnik]

35. I wish I had a Democrat representing me in the Senate.

But, I'm stuck with Bill Nelson and Little Marco. And the Establishment folks are endorsing a "Rubio with a D".

Fuck that.

[MisterP]

18. the only way to do that is to run firm, proud liberals that provide a choice

[dawg]

24. And if none step up to the plate, then what ...

Just concede rather than support a middle-of-the-road Democrat, who would still be a mile to the left of the alternative?

[MisterP]

31. it's already a concession

[dawg]

33. And that ...

is how we get to be a permanent minority party.

But at least we'll be right.

[MisterP]

36. we're ALREADY a permanent minority party

[dawg]

38. I know.

[MisterP]

46. 11 Governors, 13 Senators, 69 Reps, 913 state seats, and left with 26% of the electorate

and that's under Rahm and DWS alone: it's *caused* by the constant rightward shift and its rationalizing--I've never seen an *exciting* neolib or fence-sitting hedger, have you? they're bland yuppie technocrats or sustained only by massive cash infusions (often taken from the liberal candidacies)

they can't convincingly say why their GOP opponent is wrong because either 1. they agree with them in ideology or 2. they agree with them in fact, passing the very laws they condemn them for the election cycle

[uponit7771]

15. Did she vote to give gun corps immunity?! No, well... there it is then

[think]

20. Hypocrites will do whatever it takes to win. Hillary's robocalls warning voters Obama would take

their guns is indicative of how low Hillary will go to win....

[uponit7771]

22. Or adults understand perfect or good shouldn't be the enemy of nothing and not adequate.

[think]

27. There were much more progressive Democrats running in 2014. Hillary chose to endorse

someone who wouldn't ban assault weapons and couldn't even admit she voted for Obama.

Apparently adults have no values...

[uponit7771]

32. Again, perfect and good should by the enemy of nothing ... NOT endorsing them is stupid despite

... their advocacy of one or two non progressive provisions.

It's like not voting cause Sanders voted to give gun corps immunity... that's stupid

[Fuddnik]

40. Nobody is asking for perfect.

We just want someone with our interests in mind. Not selling us out at every opportunity.

[TheDormouse]

67. see posts #62-66 nt

[Cheese Sandwich]

16. Ted Strickland in the Ohio Senate primary was another one, with an A+ rating from NRA

Even though his opponent was much more progressive including on gun issues.

Strickland has an A+ rating from NRA and voted against the assault weapons ban.

More Clinton Hypocrisy.

CLEVELAND — Hillary Clinton all but endorsed Ted Strickland, the former Ohio governor running for Senate, opening her first rally in the crucial swing state here Thursday morning by encouraging supporters to “help Ted get elected to the United States Senate.”

“I’m personally delighted to be here with my friend, and your governor, Ted Strickland,” she said. “Nobody cares more deeply and profoundly about what happens to people. He did a great job as your governor, and he will be an important voice in the Senate.”

more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clinton-ted-strickland-ohio-121802

March 10, 2015: Ted Strickland Brags About A+ NRA Record

[Fuddnik]

45. The same Governor Strickland who proposed relacing Union Labor with inmate labor.

He proposed, as a budget measure, to get rid of maintenance, and janitorial workers in state office buildings to cut costs. He would have replaced them with prison inmate labor. And a lot of DUers at the time applauded this as a great idea. It shows the true mindset of Hillary supporters.

This is probably where Noot Gingrich came up with the brainstorm idea to replace school janitors with teenage students.

[Vinca]

19. Silly. It only counts if it's Bernie.

[KingFlorez]

25. I donated to Grimes

Considering who her opponent was it was a perfectly wise choice to endorse her. Mitch McConnell is disgusting.

Plus, Grimes never ran as some sort of moral superior like Sanders is. Her positions were clear from the start.

[think]

29. Grimes couldn't even admit she voted for Obama. Pathetic....

[KingFlorez]

34. Sanders wanted Obama to be primaried

Besides, Grimes isn't running from President and her race is over, so it's all a moot point.

[think]

37. Grimes OPPOSES an assault weapons ban. I thought that was a HUGE issue to Hillary supporters.

apparently it isn't....

[KingFlorez]

41. That has no connection to the presidential race

Plenty of people support an assault weapons ban, but there are other key issues that a Democratic Senate would be beneficial on, which is why Grimes received support. Considering that Sanders is from the most liberal state in the union, there is no excuse for him being weak on guns.

[think]

42. Hillary had robo calls made warning voters that Obama was going to take their guns.

She'll say anything to get elected....

[DisgustipatedinCA]

50. ^^^Hypocrisy alert^^^

[merrily]

68. Your statement about the state Bernie represents is quite cynical. But you knew that.

[noretreatnosurrender]

55. Real Reason Hillary Supported Her

Perhaps it's because Grimes father, Jerry Lundergan, served as the state chair of the Hillary presidential campaign in 2008. Allison Lundergan Grimes is our current Sec. of State. She also serves as the chair of the Kentucky State Board of Elections.

[noretreatnosurrender]

49. Of course you did

Grimes was the product of the establishment in the Kentucky Democratic Party. The rank and file Democrats in Kentucky didn't want her but the establishment did because she was a good corporate Democrat just like her father. The establishment shoved her down our throats. She didn't win because a lot of Democrats wouldn't vote for her.

[radical noodle]

28. So for this reason Hillary should not have supported her

against freaking Mitch McConnell?

You're reaching and the desperation is showing. Good grief. What a nonsensical post.

[think]

39. Robo calls warning Obama is going to take your guns. Ya Hillary sure knows how to stick to an issue

[radical noodle]

43. Well guess what?

I got brochures in the mail supporting Obama saying Hillary would take our guns.

[think]

44. LOL. The old "they do it too" reply to justify poor behavior and hypocrisy....

[radical noodle]

74. No, that isn't a "they do it too" thing

It's just that it means nothing and most people are aware of that.

[JI7]

48. she would campaign for Sanders also if he becomes the nominee

[Cali_Democrat]

51. You know who else campaigned with Alison Grimes?

?itok=01HwE-NF

[think]

52. Hillary had robocalls made saying Obama would take guns from voters.

[Cali_Democrat]

53. And Bernie voted against the Brady Bill 5 times

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/13/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-voted-against-brady/

[think]

57. Bernie voted for the assault weapons ban multiple times including the most recent attempts.

If Hillary wants to use guns as a major issue she should try to be at least be consistent.

[Cali_Democrat]

60. Bernie helped to pass the immunity bill for gun manufacturers

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/01/bernie-sanders-vote-gun-immunity-black-market

[TheDormouse]

70. so did people Hillary has enthusiastically campaigned for--the difference

is that they weren't standing in the way of Hillary trying to become president

[ky_dem]

80. Really only was there for a weekend, then the campaign decided it was backfiring with moderates

and off Elizabeth Warren was sent (I worked on the campaign)

[orpupilofnature57]

54. Her outrage comes and goes, like her BLM it depends if she's in Harlem or Wall street .

[blm]

58. You would NOT help a Dem candidate in the general election against a Republican?

What does it matter where they are on the left to center spectrum in the general election, it is a CERTAINTY that even centrist Democrats are still WAY to the left of today's Republicans.

[think]

61. If Hillary is going to make guns a huge issue she should be more consistent.

If she's going to support a candidate that opposes an assault weapons ban which is the heart of the gun issue she shouldn't be attempting to smear Bernie who has voted for an assault weapons ban on several occassions,

What's next? Robocalls claiming Sanders wants to take their guns because he voted for a ban on assault weapons?

Seriously. Hillary Clinton is a complete hypocrite.

[blm]

65. Wrong. ALL Democrats are supposed to be committed to getting Dems elected in general.

Sorry you believe any variation on positions of Dem candidates is call for hypocrisy on the issue, but, as a GOTV activist I would like for you to explain to me why we should NOT unify as a party in general elections despite varying positions on some issues because, if we do, according to you, we would all be labeled hypocrites on one thing or another.

[think]

71. The problem is not in supporting Grimes. It's the fact that she then turns around & smears Sanders

for his gun record when it's a million times better than Grimes' record.

If Hillary wasn't making the gun issue a key part of her campaign against Bernie it wouldn't be so ridiculous.

And to smear Obama from the opposite side of the gun issue just takes her hypocrisy full circle.

[blm]

73. Primary contests are VERY different animals than general. Sorry, but, some of us

Sanders voters are NOT playing into the Bernie or Bust theme and pretending that every variation is disqualifying. I don't mind Sanders contradictory positions over the last 3 decades during his primary and general races and those of candidates he supported or endorsed over the years. It's expected. Anyone claiming otherwise is not being truthful, imo. It's absurd reaching for a controversy that doesn't exist.

[TheDormouse]

62. Bill Nelson voted for gun manufacturers' immunity, & Hillary's campaigned with him

http://votesmart.org/bill/3392/7775/1606/firearms-manufacturers-protection-bill


(Nelson's the guy on the far left)

[TheDormouse]

64. Blanche Lincoln voted for gun manufacturers' immunity--didn't matter to Hill & Bill

When Hillary got Blanche's endorsement in 2008, she said:

I am honored to have the support of Senator Lincoln, who has been a longtime champion for children and families.... When we take back the office on January 2009, we’re going to roll up our sleeves and solve the problems that our nation faces. I look forward to working with leaders like Senator Lincoln to get our country back on track and deliver the change our country needs.

http://blog.4president.org/2008/2008/02/senator-blanche.html


And when Blanche was running for re-election to the Senate in 2010, Bill Clinton told Arkansans how critical it was that they make sure Blanche would keep her job (they didn't).

[TheDormouse]

66. Mary Landrieu voted for gun manufacturers' immunity, so why'd Hillary campaign for her

to get her re-elected to the Senate in 2014?



https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/109-2005/s219

[merrily]

69. We must let Hillary evolve willy nilly, as best furthers her personal ambition from moment to moment

After all, she wants to be the first woman President. That justifies everything.

[Lizzie Poppet]

72. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Just sayin'...

[TheDormouse]

75. Which Hillary?

[Blue_Tires]

78. Because trying to oust McConnell was important?

[ky_dem]

79. That was a clusterfuck of a campaign

(and I say that having worked as a field organizer for the campaign) - I am still convinced one of the major reasons we lost so badly was because Lundergan Grimes ran practically as a Republican (no firm statement on choice, pro-coal, pro-gun, 'I disagree with Obama on many issues', etc.). It was extremely difficult to get Democrats in the state excited about her as a candidate - the best we could do was channel anti-McConnell sentiment. Also I was pretty much disgusted with myself at the end of it for shilling for such a sell-out, never again.