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Some Questions for Hillary Clinton Supporters (Original Post) pinebox Apr 2016 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author CompanyFirstSergeant Apr 2016 #1
heh pinebox Apr 2016 #2
K N R-ed Faux pas Apr 2016 #3
k&r The Old Lie Apr 2016 #4
1.) Obama took wall street money 2.) Who cares what she said, not going to change anything about uponit7771 Apr 2016 #5
Uh what alternate reality are you on? pinebox Apr 2016 #7
Overt Strawman, did you even read what I typed or you so angry that you'd skip over the uponit7771 Apr 2016 #8
It's a strawman when you said pinebox Apr 2016 #9
So it was HRC who advocated for war with Iraq!? Podium Bird tell you that too!?!? uponit7771 Apr 2016 #10
It was Hillary who couldn't see through the lies pinebox Apr 2016 #19
You have an image of Che Guevera as part of your sig line oberliner Apr 2016 #14
Apparently you don't get the irony pinebox Apr 2016 #20
Apparently not oberliner Apr 2016 #21
You think there are not-dumb regime change foreign policies? morningfog Apr 2016 #12
yeap, Hitler needed to go uponit7771 Apr 2016 #13
That's kind of a cop out. Let me ask my question another way. morningfog Apr 2016 #15
Goldman Sachs IS the boogeyman but you are so enamored with Clinton you refuse think Apr 2016 #16
GS is YOUR boogyman not mine, mine is stupid fuckin cops and my 2 boys ... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #17
Did Goldman Sachs just admit to defrauding thousands of clients or not? think Apr 2016 #18
K and R highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #6
These questions appear to be rhetorical in nature and not actual questions oberliner Apr 2016 #11

Response to pinebox (Original post)

 

The Old Lie

(123 posts)
4. k&r
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

Questions that terrifies the Clinton supporters. I dare ONE to pop in here and answer it truthfully.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
5. 1.) Obama took wall street money 2.) Who cares what she said, not going to change anything about
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

... the way her base feels about her because WS is not their boogyman,

3.) Everyone who knows anything about finances knows GS played little part in the crash & Sanders CFMA vote played a bigger part
4.) Sophistry, she doesn't adovcate stupid regime change,
5.) Clinton learned from IWR and apologized while Sanders still hasn't learned from voting against Brady bill 5 times and his CFMA vote
6.) No, that's why there's a wide and diverse swath of Americans supporting Clinton

Last question: No, the country needs change real fast but Sanders is a shit talker without a plan to do such so I'll go with what has proven to work until that person comes.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
7. Uh what alternate reality are you on?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:24 PM
Apr 2016

Wait, Hillary doesn't advocate for regime change? Are you actually paying attention this election cycle?
I'm thinking you aren't.





uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
8. Overt Strawman, did you even read what I typed or you so angry that you'd skip over the
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:47 PM
Apr 2016

... fact I typed she doesn't advocate regime change in the dumbest way possible!?

Come on...

Anger is a motivator and not a solution

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
9. It's a strawman when you said
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:26 PM
Apr 2016
4.) Sophistry, she doesn't adovcate stupid regime change,

Your words, not mine and I proved you're wrong.
Iraq was a stupid regime change.
 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
19. It was Hillary who couldn't see through the lies
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:43 AM
Apr 2016

which equates to bad judgement.
Ironically both Bernie and Obama did.

I could write you a list of bad judgement calls on her part.

DOMA, DADT, TPP, Honduras, on and on. You know this. We know this. Yet whoosh, you're so enamored with your candidate that no amount of Windex is going to clear your glasses off to see the truth.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
14. You have an image of Che Guevera as part of your sig line
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:28 PM
Apr 2016

He was no fan of dictators staying in power, and he also had no problem supporting violence in the name of overthrowing unelected leaders.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
20. Apparently you don't get the irony
Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:44 AM
Apr 2016

Not my fault. Go examine that pic in my sig line some more.
Or were you away from DU for several months?

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
15. That's kind of a cop out. Let me ask my question another way.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:34 PM
Apr 2016

Do you think there are non-dumb ways to conduct regime change in the 2000s?

In other words, should we practice regime change as an instrument of foreign policy in places like Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Iran?

And if so, what are the non-dumb means?

 

think

(11,641 posts)
16. Goldman Sachs IS the boogeyman but you are so enamored with Clinton you refuse
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:36 PM
Apr 2016

to acknowledge it.

Hell. Even people who work on Wall Street say it is corrupt:


Wall Street Professionals Admit: Yes, Lots of Us Are Corrupt

By Rich Smith - Jul 20th 2012 5:15PM

Is Wall Street corrupt? Responses vary depending on whom you ask. But ask the folks who work in the financial services industry and you'll get a surprisingly clear answer: "Yes."

A recent survey of 500 financial services professionals, conducted by market researcher Populus at the behest of law firm Labaton Sucharow, turned up some surprisingly candid results from the folks surveyed. For example:

• 39% of financial industry insiders surveyed "reported that their competitors are likely to have engaged in illegal or unethical activity in order to be successful."

• And this was more than just suspicion. "26% of respondents indicated that they had observed or had firsthand knowledge of wrongdoing in the workplace."

• Nearly one in four "believed that financial services professionals may need to engage in unethical or illegal conduct in order to be successful.

• Nearly one in three said they themselves felt "pressured by bonus or compensation plans to violate the law or engage in unethical conduct....

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/07/20/stockbroker-corrupt-wall-street-cheats/

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
17. GS is YOUR boogyman not mine, mine is stupid fuckin cops and my 2 boys ...
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:42 PM
Apr 2016

... and having to explain to him why his color matters and theirs don't so much.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
18. Did Goldman Sachs just admit to defrauding thousands of clients or not?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:51 PM
Apr 2016
http://fortune.com/2016/04/11/goldman-sachs-doj-settlement/


How many times do Wall Street banks need to rip off Americans before someone goes to jail?

14 banks are currently being sued for rigging interest rates by a pension fund.

U.S. judge rejects 14 banks' bid to throw out rate-rigging lawsuit

~Snip~

The defendants include Bank of America Corp, Barclays Plc, BNP Paribas SA, Citigroup Inc, Credit Suisse Group AG, Deutsche Bank AG, Goldman Sachs Group Inc, HSBC Holdings Plc, JPMorgan Chase & Co, Morgan Stanley, Nomura Holdings Inc, Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc, UBS AG and Wells Fargo & Co.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-banks-rigging-lawsuit-idUSKCN0WU1E8


And that's a different investigation from the LIBOR scandal that made banks felons where STILL no one went to jail. There are many more examples of fraud, bribery, money laundering, and theft by these banks.

Just because these banks didn't steal from YOUR pension fund doesn't make it right for them to steal the pension funds of others.

Open you eyes. Good grief....
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. These questions appear to be rhetorical in nature and not actual questions
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:21 PM
Apr 2016

And that caricature is less than flattering.

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