2016 Postmortem
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CNN Graded Sanders a D, Hillary A- for Debate
By jaljojo
Friday Apr 15, 2016 · 12:18 PM CST
CNN brought on board a debate coach to grade the candidates on their performance during last nights debate and the results are surprising (to some).
According to the article,
Clinton consistently reminded the audience that she had plans to fix the country's problems, while -- as she pointed out -- Sanders did little more than "diagnose." Several times during the debate, Clinton mentioned that "it's easy to diagnose the problem ... and again, I absolutely agree with the diagnosis, the diagnosis that we've got to do much more to finish the work..," but she added "it's harder to do something about the problem." Again, this was new and effective.
And in regards to Sanders,
The second example of Sanders not comprehending what was happening in the debate came when he literally contradicted himself on the issue of climate change.
He criticized Clinton's pragmatic approach to energy policy and in particular fracking, by stating, "Incrementalism and those little steps is not enough. Not right now and not on climate change."
Unfortunately, Sanders answered the opposite way on a pointed question about the difficulty of transitioning to green, or sustainable, energy. Sanders replied that we will "not phase out tomorrow..." implying that we should, you know, take our time. Within seconds Sanders was both against, and then for baby-steps.
Unbelievably bad debating by Sanders.
Read more:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/opinions/debate-coach-democratic-debate-graham/index.html
Debate coach: Bad night for Bernie
By Todd Graham
Updated 8:52 AM ET, Fri April 15, 2016
Story highlights
(CNN)For Thursday night's Democratic debate, I'm focusing my debate coach evaluation squarely on improvements.
Hillary Clinton: A-
..............We needed a major burn unit for Sanders when he chuckled during Clinton's answer on the topic of gun control. Uh oh. Clinton immediately turned on the senator and forcefully said, "It's not a laughing matter...90 people on average a day are killed or commit suicide or die in accidents from guns, 33,000 people a year." I don't think he'll be laughing during any more answers in the future. Again, not even her best line.
Clinton consistently reminded the audience that she had plans to fix the country's problems, while -- as she pointed out -- Sanders did little more than "diagnose." Several times during the debate, Clinton mentioned that "it's easy to diagnose the problem ... and again, I absolutely agree with the diagnosis, the diagnosis that we've got to do much more to finish the work..," but she added "it's harder to do something about the problem." Again, this was new and effective.
But it was one hour and forty-nine minutes into the debate before Clinton delivered her best moment -- it was on the Supreme Court. Right after Sanders answered that he'd want to make sure the new justice would help overturn Citizens United, Clinton received a resounding ovation when she said that they'd had nine debates now, and nobody had questioned them about Roe v. Wade .
Clinton reminded the audience that Sanders characterized Donald Trump's statement on women needing to be punished if they obtained an abortion a "distraction." She emphatically said that Trump's statement "goes to the heart of who
we are as women, our rights, our autonomy, our ability to make our own decisions."
Very strong moment in a very focused debate performance for Clinton.
Bernie Sanders: D
First, he had nothing new. By this point in the debate cycle, Sanders should have been ready with specifics on how he'd pay for his proposals without raising the debt, hurting businesses or crushing the middle class. But he was not prepared with this.
He couldn't specify how he'd break up the banks, which he said he'd let them do themselves somehow...........................
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)- vote for hillary and you get kissinger for free
DCBob
(24,689 posts)The problem for Bernie is I dont think he has anything beyond those simplistic one-liners.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... stir emotion and stoke anger. WHERE ARE THE REALISTIC PLANS? How can he get from here to there? Who is he willing to work with? What compromises is he willing to make for the sake of progress? How much will it cost? What has he previously done to demonstrate his abilities?
His promises lack substance. I want details ... and plans, actual plans, not PowerPoint bullet points and mere proposals and outlines.
The things he's saying are the vague generalities that are typical for potential candidates who are in the early "exploratory" stage of their campaign!
At this late date, he should have moved well beyond such vagueness and thin watery detail-free promises.
He's not serious, or he's NOT ready. Those are the only two possibilities.
riversedge
(70,273 posts)crowd CHEERS--or many times repeats the Talking point--then Sanders gives another talking point--very seldom any details. Repeats itself over and over.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)riversedge
(70,273 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)They are the absolute best.
The Old Lie
(123 posts)Grade rejected. Clinton has an F, and Bernie an A+ with honors.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Do you not see that grading Clinton an F and Bernie an A+ with honors might indicate some bias on your part?
The Old Lie
(123 posts)Clinton could not stop lying her butt off, and you could easily see Sanders' reaction to her lies.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)You don't even pause for a moment to think that there may be some bias involved there?
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Good. Hopefully more people are waking up.
That's not brain scarecrow... It's a piece of paper.
That's not a heart Tinman, it's a clock.
That's not courage lion.. It's just a medal.
I think as more and more people look at the question of "how" will he make those grand ideas happen instead of just "what" he proposes, they might start seeing the man in the corner hiding behind the curtain.
I can promise world peace, cure for cancer, and a Tesla in every garage.. Doesn't make me any more qualified of being POTUS, or capable of making my wishful thinking coming true.
quickesst
(6,280 posts)That's nine for nine now. Right?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Gothmog
(145,485 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)the channel all in for clinton. Cannot except unbiased anything from CNN or MSNBC.