i can not fucking believe romney made up 15 points with woman.

[busterbrown]

How with all the bullshit concerning rape and abortion clearly illustrating the insanity
of republicans can 15 points been erased so easily.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20121025/us-ap-poll-presidential-campaign

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20121025/us-ap-poll-presidential-campaign/

[blazeKing]

1. As Lumberg would say

Yeeeeeeeeeeaahhhhhhhh......

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"Less than two weeks out from Election Day, Republican Mitt Romney has erased President Barack Obama's 16-point advantage among women, a new Associated Press-GfK poll shows. And the president, in turn, has largely eliminated Romney's edge among men."


Riiiiiiiighhht...

[vdogg]

2. Makes you wonder

Why the title of the article wasn't "Obama erases Romney's lead with men".

[Grammy23]

23. I saw this story, too, and had to read way down in the article

before they pointed out that Obama has erased the lead Romney had with men. Then I looked back at the headline and just shook my head. Lots of people will not get past the headline, so it is pretty misleading to insist that Romney has lured women back into his camp.

I am guessing, if women suddenly found Romney more appealing, the Mourdock situation ought to send them hurrying back to Obama. If they have a lick of sense they will. By the way, I am not buying the mass exodus of women from Obama to Romney in the first place.

[LisaL]

2. At this point, I am pretty sure people are lying about who they are when polled.

Producing some pretty bizarre results.

[ohheckyeah]

37. It's us sneaky women....

we want to lure Romney into complacency and then kick his ass with our votes.

[piechartking]

4. Polling Dates

This poll has only one post-debate day of polling. If that's true, I think it's kind of stale. Also, totally post-Mordouck comments makes it stale as well. Don't worry!

[Maximumnegro]

6. Not stale. Just wrong.

[imgbitepolitic]

5. Haha

Dont worry. O stil holds double digit lead among woman.

[Maximumnegro]

7. Cause he didn't

Common sense applies.

[AverageJoe90]

8. maximumnegro(can I call you MN, btw?) is right, I think.

Common sense would say, absolutely not.

[piechartking]

9. But Romney has been making up ground on women

That's been evident in this month's polling after the 1st debate. Now, yeah, I think all tied up regarding women is horseshit, but I do think that the polling has shown that Romney has been performing better.

That's the reason I characterize it as "stale" rather than "wrong", because on those days, Romney may have been in the midst of his "surge" with women (as much as I want to smack my hand against my forehead contemplating how that could possibly be).

However, post-Mordouck, post-debate, I think the polling is showing that Obama is coming back in a big way, and women may be coming along for the ride.

[JackN415]

10. you should go do your job for Romney. Come back after Nov/7 & weep.

[Atman]

12. How much are you paid per post?

[busterbrown]

32. The Troll police on D.U. all think they are a little quicker, smarter than others and end up........

making complete fools of themselves.

[piechartking]

36. Yeah, no shit. I thought liberals would be better than...

conservative idiots. But clearly, some idiots exist here too.

[easychoice]

11. Creative math?

That poll is erroneous.
I can't wait until 7 Nov. to prove what a pack of republican liars control the MSM propaganda machine.
Like Joe Biden said "use your common sense".All the women I know hate Romney and Ryan for their stance on women's rights.These women are intelligent and well educated and they are not about to be threatened,nor are they about to go backwards.

[Mass]

13. He is tied with women but only lags by 2 in LV.

Yeah. I believe that...

BTW, I also cant believe Romney lost his lead with men (from 13 to 5). LOL

[Calypso0956]

14. All I have to say is....

Either you care about humanity or you care about hoarding and protecting your money.

People I've known have said "I'm voting for Romney, he's a Christian". Once educated about Romney's values, they see the light and recant.

Romney has been very demeaning to women. We have choices. We have rights. There are individual rights set forth under the constution that protect people.

Romney doesn't think what is good, for the group the masses, he thinks what is good for himself and his rich buddies then tries to put his beliefs onto everyone else.

What does this man know about going from paycheck to paycheck, what does he know what its like to be raped, what does he know about not being able to afford insurance or having a pre exisitng condition and being turned down for insurance, what does he know what it's like to buy groceries on food stamps, what does he know about having to decide if you're going to pay rent or buy food?

Romney knows nothing about humility, gratefulness, compassion, etc...

A crisis for Romney would be he can't check on his investments because he has no cell service~

I seriously think his bid for the presidency is ego driven nothing more.

He says what he thinks people want to hear and is just providing lip service.

Slimeball, I just can't stand him! UGH!

Sorry, rant over.....possibly to be continued!

[leveymg]

15. This kind of thing is going to kill the polling industry.

Good! Public opinion don't really matter - just let Rassmusun and PPP decide.

[krawhitham]

16. IF he did, Mourdock will swing them back

[queentonic]

17. PPP and Women

This appears on PPP page:

Obama's up big with women (54/42), African Americans (91/6), Hispanics (58/37), and voters under 30 (58/38). Romney's strength is with men (56/42), whites (58/39), and seniors (55/43).

[ProSense]

18. This is absolute bullshit:

Ginny Lewis, a Democrat and 72-year-old retired district attorney from Princeton, Ky., says she'll vote for Romney because "I'm tired of the Republicans blaming all the debt on Democrats, so let them take over and see what they do."

Not that she's optimistic about how that will turn out, though. "I think things will get worse before they get better," she said.

Who the fuck believes that?

[RobinA]

19. Why Is It BS?

This is the first completely nonsensical explanation for a person's vote you've ever heard? People believe all kinds of odd things. This lady is from the "it doesn't matter who is in office, things will still suck" school.

[ProSense]

21. It's BS or

she's an idiot: I believe they're going to screw things up, so let them.

Look at the quotes AP used to justify its polling on women:

Monica Jensen, a 55-year-old independent from Mobile, Ala., says she voted for Obama in 2008 but will shift her vote to Romney this time, largely because of the economy.

"I'm ready for a change," she said. "I want to see the economy go in a different direction."

Ginny Lewis, a Democrat and 72-year-old retired district attorney from Princeton, Ky., says she'll vote for Romney because "I'm tired of the Republicans blaming all the debt on Democrats, so let them take over and see what they do."

Not that she's optimistic about how that will turn out, though. "I think things will get worse before they get better," she said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20121025/us-ap-poll-presidential-campaign

Two women, one a complete idiot, in Alabama and Kentuky are voting for Romney. The third woman is in Iowa and is voting Obama.

Yeah, the South is going Republican.

[S_E_Fudd]

20. What makes this not credible...

Is that Obama has made up about the same amount of ground with Men...very doubtful. Every pollster has a weird result from time to time and this appears to be that. Plenty of other evidence that Obama is still significantly ahead with women...both nationally and in the swing states...

[ProSense]

22. It's BS. If the President

"Is that Obama has made up about the same amount of ground with Men...very doubtful. Every pollster has a weird result from time to time and this appears to be that."

...made up ground among men, Romney loses. This is a poll attempting to counter the Mourdock debacle.

More Operation Rescue Mitt.

[budkin]

24. Oh it'll plunge back down now after Mourdock

No way it doesnt

[Grammy23]

25. Obama's appearance on Jay Leno last night should reassure women

that he is the better person to have in the WH as far as women's issues are concerned. He said without hesitation that women are fully capable of making their own decisions about their health issues and that a bunch of politicians (mostly male) should not be making those decisions.

Women are not stupid....and I do not believe for a second that the "kinder, gentler Mitt" that we saw at the 3rd debate convinced women that he has THEIR best interests at heart. He is still the same old Mitt in that regard and is not our friend. The Republicans act as if we have no memory and that we can't read. We know that Mitt has been all over the map on issues regarding women's health and he will say whatever he thinks will win our vote. He has NO core value about any of this and swings with the wind.

Does Mitt really think we'll trust someone like him with such important matters? Or are we going to go with the guy who really does seem to care about us and things that matter to us? The man with two daughters who thinks of THEM when he is pondering the right path? Let the Repubs guess which one we'll choose.

[BainsBane]

26. Does AP call cell phones?

The results seem improbable to me, not only that Obama wouldn't have a wide gap among women but that he would be so close among men.

If AP isn't calling cell phones, they are more likely to get married women than single women, which could account for the absence of a gender gap.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. Your Concern Is Duly Noted.Thank You For Your Input./nt

[Floyd_Gondolli]

28. Trolls are even funnier when Obama is pulling ahead.

[WI_DEM]

29. this is the only poll I know of that shows that.

[Sheepshank]

30. The ONLY way it is happening to this extent is....

old men answering the land lines, prodding their women folk to respond appropriately to the survey questions. Or better still, old men answering the landline and in falsetto, responding to the robo-surveys.



Can anyone point out anything Romney has done anything to close this gap? If anything, Murdouck has just created the Grand canyon of divisons, 2 weeks before the elections.

[unc70]

31. Polling internals are issue -- and I was polled

I think I was polled by them based on the questions, dates, etc., but I can't be certain. That plus their results made me take a closer look. I don't have enough time and probably not enough data yet (probably coming in additional articles) to reconstitute their internals. Did notice a couple of things amiss, several others suspicious.

The first thing that stands out is that it is 50% men, 50% women. That is wrong for the general population and very wrong for likely voters. They do report some results for total sample in addition to RV and LV. Need to find breakouts of sub groups to know more. BTW The general population sample overwhelmingly favors Obama.

The polling sample was constrained in various ways allegedly to match demographic subgroups. Unfortunately, that only makes the results applicable to those people actually sampled and nothing statistically about the population supposedly being sampled. While it is possible to create randomized selections from population subgroups that would be statistically sound, I don't see that in this case. The forcing of the gender numbers to 50% suggests the opposite.

Will try to look at this further tonight.

The poll included landlines and cellphones, was made by people not automated or robocall. I suspect they over sampled various subgroups in addition to men. Places I will look first include the interplay of race, gender, voter registration, martial status, etc. By how you fill up the cells to "match" the general population on each of these, you can appear representative on each one on the surface while totally non-representative in the subgroups. Even as it is presented, the sample sizes of the subgroups are far too small to say much useful even if it had been a random sample and not the stratified non-random selection used in this survey.

[DemKittyNC]

33. I am willing to bet

that the majority of women who will be voting for Rmoney is simply doing so because their husbands told them to. This is the base Rmoney has with the '1950's' lifestyle demographic.

[OldDem2012]

34. Just curious, but does anyone actually believe that? I certainly don't. nt.

[mzmolly]

35. And Obama supposedly closed the gap with men. But that wasn't the chosen headline.

A month ago, Romney's advantage among men was 13 percentage points. Now, it's down to 5 points, with most of the shift toward Obama coming among unmarried men.