Day After Debate, Clinton Stumps in NYC as Sanders Heads to Vatican

[geek tragedy]

Democratic presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders are not getting much of a break after taking part in a fiery debate seen on NY1 Thursday night.

Clinton is in Manhattan today, while Sanders is on his way to the Vatican for a conference on social, economic and environmental issues.

http://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2016/04/15/democratic-debate-day-after.html

Clinton is touring the Harlem housing projects with Meliisa Mark-Viverito, the Speaker of the NYC City Council and Council Rep for District 8 (East Harlem/El Barrio and the South Bronx).

Seems like a good place to talk about economic justice.

Josh Robin (@joshrobin)

4/15/16, 10:52 AM
Good morning from East Harlem. @HillaryClinton touring NYCHA senior bldg w @MMViverito More @NY1 pic.twitter.com/neYOAuyyyt

https://mobile.twitter.com/joshrobin/status/720988219421126656

[Else You Are Mad]

1. I guess...

A millionaire fund raiser in CA is also a great place to talk about economic injustice too...

[geek tragedy]

3. She's in Harlem, meeting with poor people of color, with their local elected officials.

Bernie is hobnobbing with global elites at a theological conference in a foreign country.

[Else You Are Mad]

5. And soon...

She will be 'hobnobbing' with the Hollywood elites. I would take someone speaking at a forum over someone begging for money from Millionaires...

[geek tragedy]

6. yes, and getting them to donate money to help defeat Republicans

at all levels of the ballot in November.

And then she'll campaign in Los Angeles.

[Else You Are Mad]

11. Spin it as as you may

But the optics of it is in favor of Sanders.

[geek tragedy]

13. LOL. Clinton meets with poor Americans who vote, Bernie takes his family on a Roman holiday

to give his stump speech at an academic conference in a foreign theocracy.

Brilliant optics.

[Else You Are Mad]

17. A holiday?

He took a red eye flight after a debate to the Vatican as a government representative of the US (remember he is still a Senator) at a forum where other world leaders are speaking and is flying right back. I hardly consider that a holiday.

But the spin machine must keep spinning...

[geek tragedy]

18. he is representing himself, not the US government there.

The United States is represented in the Vatican by our diplomatic presence there.

[Else You Are Mad]

20. This is not a diplomatic matter...

The other world leaders speaking there aren't diplomats either.

Try again.

[geek tragedy]

35. yes, they are actual world leaders, heads of state. They represent their governments

wherever they go.

Sanders is not a world leader.

[Go Vols]

80. not all 30

Sanders’ received a warm round of applause after his speech on the “Urgency of a Moral Economy.” In addition to Morales, participants at the conference included academics, priests, bishops, as well as Francis’ closest adviser, Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga and the Ecuadoran president, Rafael Correa.

http://wtop.com/elections/2016/04/the-latest-pope-meets-morales-before-vatican-conference/

[geek tragedy]

82. yes, the only world leaders there were Morales and Correa. nt

[IamMab]

43. And probably violating campaign finance regulations by flying his family on the campaign's dime.

The $27 donations are funding Sanders family vacations now. Brilliant.

[tonedevil]

57. Care to back that up...

with a single fact? Or are we supposed to be preemptively distraught at Senator Sanders violations you have so feverishly speculated on?

[Bjornsdotter]

36. Let's not forget the fundraiser

...in China. While she won't be there it will still be going on.

[Lizzie Poppet]

8. You do realize you've become a sort of parody, right?

Nobody buys the spin...nobody.

[Fawke Em]

9. It's such a tragedy.

[JackInGreen]

33. I might have to change my name!

Geek_Parody.....I like the sound of that.

[Jefferson23]

15. lol

Is that what he's doing, hobnobbing with elites who agree greed is good and
want religious beliefs to control your life?

[geek tragedy]

21. If one is a woman or GLBT, the attendees certainly believe that religious beliefs

should control people's lives.

Why does Bernie always need security and a podium between himself and ordinary people?

[Else You Are Mad]

24. So the Catholics are bad...

... But the southern protestants that believe the same are okay?

[Jefferson23]

25. Come off it, and answer the question. Is Bernie there with elites to talk about how greed is good

and how religion should dictate your life? Is that the agenda of the conference?

Bernie doesn't need anything between himself and ordinary people, he proved
that by telling WS to fuck off. They don't offer him anything since they know
he can't be bought. Your candidate, hey..it's what they offered...nothing elite
about that, eh?

[geek tragedy]

28. he's there because he hoped to use the pope to pander to Catholic voters nt

[Else You Are Mad]

34. And...

When Hillary went to churches in the South wasn't pandering to Christians in the south? That sounds a tad hypocritical to me...

[geek tragedy]

37. she talked and listened to ordinary voters in the south.

Bernie's big rallies were all about him talking at people.

[Else You Are Mad]

41. That's not what I asked.

I asked if it was okay to pander to Christians in the south but not OK if Sanders panders to Catholics into the north?

[geek tragedy]

44. talking and listening to people isn't pandering.

Pandering is chasing a photo op with the pope.

[Else You Are Mad]

45. Yet the Pope isn't doing a photo op...

And he still went to the forum. You still are dodging my question.

[geek tragedy]

47. you think that talking and listening to voters is pandering.

that shows you don't really know what that word means.

[Else You Are Mad]

48. Pandering is:

The act of expressing one's views in accordance with the likes of a group to which one is attempting to appeal to. Such as talking with churches in order to win the religious vote.

[geek tragedy]

51. listening to people by definition isn't pandering. nt

[Else You Are Mad]

52. But...

Using that to appeal to a certain set of voters is.

[geek tragedy]

54. no, it's called listening. Voters want to be heard.

That's what democracy is supposed to be about.

[Jefferson23]

38. lol Yea, he has never been about income inequality.

He has never spoken out about greed...never I tell ya.

The agenda fits him perfectly, that's why he went...greed hurts people
all over the world regardless of religion.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. When does she head for CA for the Clooney soiree?

[geek tragedy]

4. I'm not her travel planner. She's campaigning tomorrow in Los Angeles. Too bad Bernie

couldn't squeeze this kind of event into his calendar due to being out of the country.

[Fawke Em]

10. You certainly were spending a lot of time hunting for plane flights for Bernie.

Can't spend the same looking for Hillary?

Or is hate more of a motivator for you?

[bobbobbins01]

12. So she's given up New York.

Time to focus on California! I can BS too!

[geek tragedy]

14. She's the one in New York today, not Bernie nt

[bobbobbins01]

19. Yeah, it takes some time to pack up her shit.

Then she's booking it to CA...running scared!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Who is she scared of?

[bobbobbins01]

39. Who isn't she scared of?

You'll have a much shorter list.

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32. She's going to win by a solid margin here. nt

[SheenaR]

50. What is solid in your opinion

10? 15?

[geek tragedy]

53. 8 points or 15 delegates.

8 points is the floor, ceiling is about 23. I think it'll be 18 points.

Obama lost to Clinton here by 17 points in 2008, despite winning 2/3 of the African-American vote and almost winning Brooklyn. I start with that as the baseline and then knock 1-2 points off Sanders due to those numbers for African-American voters getting switched--hypothesis being that there won't be a lot o Clinton 2008 voters will be Sanders 2016 voters.

Polling is roughly in line with that--it's very similar to the polling for Ohio.

[NWCorona]

7. Tomorrow

But this is lost on the op

[unc70]

23. CNN just said she was leaving within the hour

She had the really visible small event and would be leaving NY immediately after that. They mentioned how it was scheduled to give her visibility opposite Sanders at the Vatican, how this was a rare time when she was on schedule.

[riderinthestorm]

16. Ooh, I called it - said she'd spend today on photo ops with the disadvantaged

Who bet on soup kitchen photo op?

Someone else said homeless shelter...

Still a lot of time in the day!

[geek tragedy]

22. no, unlike Sanders, she doesn't see herself as being too good to associate with

ordinary Americans. For some reason he just doesn't do appearances without a podium between himself and the common folk.

She's playing dominos--and winning--at a senior citizen's center in Harlem.

[riderinthestorm]

26. Everything he does is w ordinary citizens - from getting arrested protesting to walking picket lines

Your desperation is showing since everyone knows Hillary’s jetting to San Francisco later to party with the 1% and celebrities at her $350k fundraiser with George Clooney. The optics are disastrous so of course she's got to spend the day on phony "regular gal" photo ops.

[geek tragedy]

40. she has a relationship with the voters in all of the communities in NY

Upstate towns, elderly Latinos in housing projects. She's at home amongst them, because she took the time to get to know these communities and to listen to people in them.


Bernie doesn't have any relationships here.

The voters will choose the person who chooses them.

[Uponthegears]

66. Relationships, huh?

Tell us gt,

What policies does Secretary Clinton support (but Senator Sanders has not -- remember, you're claiming she has done something to deserve their vote), that help elderly Latinos in housing projects?

Is it the welfare reform bill?
Is it the crime bill?
Is it the death penalty?
Is it the Honduran coup that has resulted in what is, in practical terms, a virtual genocide of indigenous peoples?
Is it her "just so long as they don't offend white folks' values" racial justice proposals she is offering people like me?

Or do you just figure they should be grateful that she played a game of dominoes?

I mean, we can see what she and the Clinton Foundation have done for the folks with $$$$$ and it isn't just playing dominoes, so what is it?

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71. here's a summary of her record in the US Senate

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/hillary_clinton/300022

[Uponthegears]

79. My, you really worked hard, let's see

how you did

Soooo, in addition to executing, imprisoning, and starving poor people, Hillary supports:

Giving a free pass to slum lords on the cost of removing lead from public housing (S3609)

"This Act and the amendments made by this Act shall not create any obligation or requirement on the part of any owner of housing, public housing agency, or other party (other than the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development) to comply with any new obligations established by or pursuant to this Act or such amendments, except to the extent that the Secretary of Housing and Urban Development makes amounts available to such owner, agency, or party for the costs of such compliance."

Other than that, out of the 417 bills she sponsored, I don't see one single bill directed primarily to the occupiers of housing projects OR Latinos.

Soooo, I guess your answer is: "Dammit, I played dominoes with you what do you want?

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81. she voted for immigration reform, he opposed it nt

[Uponthegears]

84. Uh

https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-fact-check-eye-popping-claims-sanders-041936674--election.html?ref=gs

Nice try

I'm just getting the feeling that the balance isn't tilting Secretary Clinton's way . . . do you have anything other than Clinton talking points? It might help.

[geek tragedy]

85. she's going to win by double digits on Tuesday, and that

will be the beginning of the end for Bernie.

Pennsylvania and Maryland will be the end, at which point he gets downgraded from contender to protest candidate.

[Uponthegears]

90. Thank you for

forwarding Hillary's assessment of low income Latino voters.

I know they appreciate your respect.

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91. I trust those voters to know who respects them.

Certainly more than supporters of the candidate who has made no effort to build relationships with anyone outside of Vermont.

[TheDormouse]

94. was that before or after she voted for the fence?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. Remember the staged Paul Ryan photo op

where he was "washing" pots at a food bank (pots that had already been washed)? Like that? But it's nice to see Hillary visiting some poor folks, since she doesn't see many at her usual events - they're usually on the outside listening to the white noise that prevents them from hearing what she's telling her big-money contributors.

[geek tragedy]

30. no, she does mostly small events that get covered by the local press a lot more than the national

press.

She knows a lot more about running for office than does the junior Senator from Vermont.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

49. And yet the junior senator from Vermont

attracts enormous crowds of people who don't even have to pay to attend, and gets invited to an international conference about poverty. And the junior senator from Vermont has actually run for office many more times than Hillary. He was elected Mayor of Burlington four times, elected to the House of Representatives eight times, and the U.S. Senate twice. That's fourteen elections, and he won all of them. In contrast, Hillary ran for Senate twice and won, and for the 2008 nomination and lost. That's three. Her batting average is .666 for three elections; Sanders' is 1.000 for fourteen.

So who knows more about running for office...?

[geek tragedy]

55. Sanders got himself invited to that conference--the Vatican confirmed that his people

did the initial ask.

He knows a lot about winning elections in Vermont.

This is not Vermont. It's much bigger, more complex, and more diverse.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

87. You guys are SO butthurt about this conference.

If Hillary had been invited instead you'd be carrying on like she'd been canonized.

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88. Um, no. Hillary is running for President, not Cardinal nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

92. Hillary lost her only previous national election.

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93. against Barack Obama. And she gave him a real fight.

Think Bernie would have beaten Obama in 2008?

[R B Garr]

31. So Sanders thinks the gilded trappings of the anti-LGBT/women Vatican resonates more

than touring the actual housing projects in his own country. Talk about out of touch. He only does things for applause and his own phony image.

But let's at least hope that Jane doesn't mention the "inquisition" that Bernie suffered at the hands of the NYDN during a basic vetting interview while she's pandering to Catholic voters from Vatican City. I'm sure the Vatican reps will love her for that.

[Stuckinthebush]

76. Terrible plan

Poorly thought out PR stunt by Sanders

[northernsouthern]

42. Wait popegate is back?

You are as bad as CNN with their plane coverage.

[geek tragedy]

46. today's campaign events are Clinton in East Harlem and Bernie in the Vatican. nt

[northernsouthern]

58. So again Popegate?

Just checking it you are going to run with it? The spin crowd had gotten more nuanced in the attacks, singled out if he was invited, who was higher up on the invitation, if he was speaking to the pope, but now it is back to day one of Popegate. You may want to get your talking points incline with the spin room. You are several days behind in Popegate. They had to change their tune because it wasn't working and the Hillary fund raiser. The problem with your carte blanche attack of the church is that it is starting to reform...and by you attacking the whole institution to get at Bernie you are ricking alienating supporters of the church. You could go with the last trend of equating the Bernie rally with Nazis, then you could tie that in to the church if you wanted to be more creative.

Take it down a notch, I bet even CNN is starting to think your group is too obsessed...

[geek tragedy]

59. no, it's called where the candidates are right now.

if you don't like following the campaign you're in the wrong forum

[northernsouthern]

63. So it is called Popegate?

You should get in touch with the HRC command, I think you are three or four days behind? Or did Hillary's debate stumbles set you guys back that far?

Got the new HRC theme...

[PaulaFarrell]

56. you are obsessed with this Vatican thing

It's not healthy

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60. Most of the post is about Hillary in East Harlem.

[PaulaFarrell]

61. its so many posts over several dayd

I really do think you should step back from it for your own sake.

[geek tragedy]

62. your concern is noted nt

[northernsouthern]

68. I think I know what happened...

Bernie broke them...

[PaulaFarrell]

72. some of them do seem stuck on repeat n/t

[northernsouthern]

74. Thanks Bernie...

v

Don't worry Obama, I am sure the press will still find a way to blame you...

[Capt. Obvious]

83. He's an obsessive type

something new will consume him once the trip is over.

[Armstead]

64. For a few hours before jetting off to California for a fundraiser with big money "swells"

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65. So what?

She's the one meeting with actual voters face to face, and she's the one raising money for the state and national parties, as was promised by both candidates.

Bernie's rallies are headlined by Hollywood C-Listers (except for Ruffalo)

[Armstead]

67. That's what I say about Bernie's Vatican trip

Meh she got in a few extra hours before jetting off to her real peeps

[geek tragedy]

69. these people were her constituents, most of them voted for her twice

as Senator and once as President in 2008.

you may sneer at the relationship, but those voters don't.

[northernsouthern]

73. You are not choosing the correct strategy

You can't argue with a group that when you are about to explain logic they...

[Vinca]

70. Amusing. Clinton touring a Harlem housing project to talk economic justice.

Meanwhile, she could probably buy the project if she gives 12 hours of speeches to the well connected. Hillary is so far removed from average people and their average lives it's almost painful to watch the charade.

[Buns_of_Fire]

75. I think it's a smart political move on her part.

"Bernie at the Vatican" vs. "Hillary with Seniors in East Harlem" plays a lot better than "Bernie at the Vatican" vs. "Hillary Goes on Ye-Gods-Yet-Still-Another Money Grubbing Trip" -- which is pretty much how it would be portrayed if she didn't make a short side-trip to Harlem along the way.

Blunts the edge a little.

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77. the only ones griping about the Clooney thing are hyperpartisan Sanders people nt

[Capt. Obvious]

78. No one cares about this outside the Hillaverse

[Doctor_J]

86. It would have been strange if HRC had been invited to a conference on "A Just Economy"

I guess the Vatican isn't into irony

[workinclasszero]

89. Give Bernie a break, he's an old man

He and Jane needed a vacation in Italy paid for by the Bernie money bombs on DU.

Hillary is out there talking with the people, as a presidential candidate should be!