2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn debate: Hillary again smeared Pres. Obama, to try to defend her huge speaking fees:
a smear is an untrue and fabricated criticism of someone, and Hillary lobbed at least one against President Obama during the debate, according to today's NY Times article about the debate.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/15/us/politics/democratic-debate.html?&target=comments&hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&modref=HPCommentsRefer&clickSource=story-heading&module=a-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0#commentsContainer
"make no mistake about it---this is not just an attack on me, it's an attack on President Obama," Mrs. Clinton said about the criticism of her use of a "super PAC" and her acceptance of big-money contributions.
She has done this repeatedly before. She smears Pres. Obama and falsely tarnishes his record to try to con voters.
President Obama did get some campaign donations from big money and big banks.
But Hillary has been getting the campaign donations from Big Money, AND, she is personally profiting from getting the huge speaking fees from Big Money--and this money goes straight into her personal bank account, not to her campaign.
She shamelessly maligns Obama, repeatedly.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)these pretend attacks are pathetic. Grow Up
Human101948
(3,457 posts)For the most part, they said, the DNC has returned to business as usual, pre-2008. The DNC has even named a finance director specifically for PAC donations who has recently emailed prospective donors to let them know that they can now contribute again, according to an email that was reviewed by The Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dnc-allowing-donations-from-federal-lobbyists-and-pacs/2016/02/12/22b1c38c-d196-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html
amborin
(16,631 posts)like Obama's receipt of Big Money. But they are two radically different types of Big Money influence. Obama's were campaign donations, whereas Hillary personally profited from the huge speaking fees.
To absolve her of receiving the money and lying about it is pathetic
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)The Bernie Bros insistence that the fees and especially the transcripts are part of the public purview is absolutely ridiculous. Industries paid money and fees for the speeches, and Bernie Bros want them for free...it's pathetic and without merit.
dogman
(6,073 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)apparently there wasn't anything damning to tape?
dogman
(6,073 posts)Nothing damaging? What is she hiding then?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...and Bernie Bros want for free what other have paid for. It's a poor business decision that would set a horrible precedence in private business transactions. If there was something Romney damming, you can bet it would have been leaked.
dogman
(6,073 posts)A precedence of transparency is horrible? Ok.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)the very same speeches could be delivered by me, and Obama...which would garner the bigger fees?
dogman
(6,073 posts)I believe they would pay more to hear what they want than what they don't want. It would also depend on how much they owed whom.
frylock
(34,825 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)She just cowers behind him most of the time, then throws him under the bus as necessary. She refuses to take personal responsibility for anything.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)it's because Hillary told him what to do. When he did something wrong,it was all his fault! I was disappointed that the reliance on Blumenthal for advice on Libya didn't come up.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/10/30/blumenthal-wrote-secretary-clinton-about-more-than-libya-syria-and-israel-too/
frylock
(34,825 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)The Democratic National Committee has rolled back restrictions introduced by presidential candidate Barack Obama in 2008 that banned donations from federal lobbyists and political action committees.
The decision was viewed with disappointment Friday morning by good government activists who saw it as a step backward in the effort to limit special interest influence in Washington. Some suggested it could provide an advantage to Hillary Clintons fundraising efforts.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dnc-allowing-donations-from-federal-lobbyists-and-pacs/2016/02/12/22b1c38c-d196-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html
When people point out how Hillary is bankrolling down ticket Dems, this is where the moola comes from.
timlot
(456 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Human101948
(3,457 posts)For the most part, they said, the DNC* has returned to business as usual, pre-2008.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dnc-allowing-donations-from-federal-lobbyists-and-pacs/2016/02/12/22b1c38c-d196-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html
*Debbie and Hillary
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Being outraged 24/7 has to be exhausting.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)while defending Hillary's lies.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... an enjoyable hobby.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)as you flagellate yourself imagining the distress that you inflict on poor defenseless Bernie Bros with your mighty intellect.
marmar
(77,091 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)It works fine on MSNBC shows, when he was a guest. But now that he is running for President, it's not a good thing.
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Human101948
(3,457 posts)dogman
(6,073 posts)She supports everything he has done or is doing, unless it has negative effect, then it's his fault.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)and he makes pathetic statements of support.
Disgusted with both of them at this point. But I am grateful he is the president. Very grateful.
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Obama supporters...true Obama supporters...know Berners can't stand PBO. Bernie can't either, which is why he wanted him fired in 2012.
Your attempts at triangulation aren't going to make me want to support Bernie.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)Also goes along with the "He started it!" defense.