2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWell now we know why Hillary was trying to duck this debate...
She did everything she could keep from debating. When that didn't work, she tried to limit the number of viewers.
Bernie handedly won that.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)MuseRider
(34,119 posts)I see this morning. That is priceless!
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Certain to be alerted by some fool who will insist it promotes violence against women.
If what's been alerted on around here recently is any gauge, I'm sure it's being considered.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)I figure name, rank, and serial number would call forth bitter acrimony and retribution anymore!
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Too funny.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)"Yes ... A tic-tac might help!"
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)smiley
(1,432 posts)Karma13612
(4,554 posts)hysterical!!!!!!!!!
That's hilarious.
Although I'd say that he was 'on fire' last night. ...the good kind of 'on fire'.
She was a howler monkey on acid.
Gothmog
(145,558 posts)IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)She also got called out on it and that was a thing of beauty to watch.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)"I've always fought for a $15 an hour minimum wage! In a few particularly expensive markets where the city council approved it!"
bvar22
(39,909 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts).
But as the night wore on there were fewer and fewer cheers of adoration and more and more boos or muted signs of praise.
That trajectory was telling.
boomer55
(592 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)the more you want to set yourself on fire.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)R B Garr
(16,976 posts)smears as a crutch to bungle through. He should have been asked those basic vetting questions months ago.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Gothmog
(145,558 posts)Sanders did very poorly last night
frylock
(34,825 posts)How many times after yet another Gish Gallop did Wolfie have to remind Mrs Clinton that she did not answer the question? I lost count.
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)that means toast to any objective observer
artyteacher
(598 posts)itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Can't even admit Bernie lost badly. Paraphrase: Mod, "can you name any legislation that Hillary sold out for?." Bernie, "um, um, wallstreet, big banks, um, did I say wallstreet, big banks, big banks, big banks, big banks, um, um,um, I need a reboot."
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Clinton: shame on her for praising that record. Shame on her for apologising by two flimsy twitter lines. Shame on her for still not getting it right on the second try:
"The Reagans didn't start the national conversation on AIDS. That distinction belongs to someone else" - NO you spiteful lier! That distinction should never have been given to someone who did everything to deadpan the national conversation that was direly needed. That distinction couldn't have been given to a more unworthy woman than the one who advised Ronnie to just "let the gay cancer work its magic".
You are clueless, you clearly don't give a rat's behind about gay people, and you don't deserve to get anywhere near the white house, or any position of power. Ever again.
merrily
(45,251 posts)her "correction" was wrong as well. The Reagans were not on the forefront of stem cell or Alzheimer's research, either. They opposed it until after they announced Ronnie's diagnosis.
Now getting both those things wrong, when one is a "corrected" version, is pretty jawdropping.
For at least some of that time, she was First Lady of Arkansas. Why was she so oblivious? What was her state doing or trying to do with the feds about AIDS that she would be that far wrong?
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Minds aren't going to be changed here. Supporters of either camp are going to claim their candidate dominated, whether or not they actually watched.
Polls will tell us something about who actually moved the needle.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)and in my mind neither scored knockout punches, but both scored punches. Both were testy and it was likely the best debate so far. Wait, I missed my cue. I was supposed to take sides, right?
Oopsie.
Response to itsrobert (Reply #7)
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GreatGazoo
(3,937 posts)That was my view way back, and I introduced legislation to do that. Now, Secretary Clinton was busy giving speeches to Goldman Sachs for $225,000 a speech.
(APPLAUSE)
...
Secretary Clinton called them out. Oh my goodness, they must have been really crushed by this. And was that before or after you received huge sums of money by giving speaking engagements? So they must have been very, very upset by what you did.
Look, here is the difference and here is the clear difference. These banks, in my view, have too much power. They have shown themselves to be fraudulent organizations endangering the well-being of our economy.
If elected president, I will break them up. We have got legislation to do that.
Conflict of interest is when you take money or other favors as a politician in return for NOT doing anything as Sanders correctly pointed out.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)One does not need to pass legislation to be in the pocket of Wall Street. One could NOT pass legislation that should be passed. Which was the point he was making. Sorry that was too hard for you to process.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/presidential-campaign/272396-the-clintons-and-the-sordid-ubs-affair
Those facts, of themselves, raise disturbing questions. Did a bank that still ranks as "the world's biggest wealth manager" and has at its disposal a bevy of economists and law firms have a legitimate reason for paying Bill Clinton $1.5 million in speaking fees? Or was the $1.5 million and the tenfold increase in Clinton Foundation donations a reward for the former secretary of State's intervention? If the latter, that reward would have, under federal law (18 U.S.C. § 201(c)(1)(A)), amounted to an illicit bribe.
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In exchange for the "deferred prosecution" of criminal fraud charges, UBS paid $780 million in fines and restitution, agreed to cease the illegal cross-border practice and "to immediately provide the United States government with the identities of, and account information for, certain United States customers of UBS's cross-border business," according to the DoJ press release.
When UBS, which could have lost its ability to conduct business in the U.S. if successfully prosecuted, balked at the IRS demand that it turn over information for all 52,000 accounts, the IRS filed a legal action seeking to compel disclosure. That is when, at the behest of the Swiss government, Hillary Clinton stepped in to negotiate a deal that prevented the IRS from gaining access to more than 91 percent of the illicit, tax-evading offshore accounts.
Lone_Wolf
(1,603 posts)Those are usually a telltale sign that you are losing. Sanders, on the other hand, got a standing ovation. That usually means you did well.
Trust me... She knows she lost.
Response to Lone_Wolf (Reply #8)
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Baobab
(4,667 posts)They do this all the time.
Also, defeating Hillary is only the first of several battles. The issues could be lost before the election making a Sanders win less of a victory than it would seem.
One thing that the right wing house and Obama will likely do then is pass and sign TPP during lame duck session. Also, WTO may make a decision that is pending which would be a disaster for US working professionals and even low and medium skill workers.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I seriously doubt he would be that callous - or that selfish.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)and HRCs audio while debating is similarly unbearable for me. I'm pretty sure it's due to my personal sensitivity triggering on audio ques of anxiety and stress. I got through the introductory remarks last night and then had to go find something else to do.
Yet, I can read what she says just fine. I'm expecting to be able to read the highlights of both Sanders and Clinton later today and hope DUers post transcripts of segments they think worthy.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Out of control
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)She got her ass handed to her on that one.
Start at the point where Blitzer says, "You stood on the stage with Governor Cuomo in support of new legislation to raise New York's minimum wage to $15 an hour. But you do not support raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/14/the-brooklyn-democratic-debate-transcript-annotated/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_transcript-830a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Her indignantly-delivered lies are cringeworthy
Lone_Wolf
(1,603 posts)Hook... line... sinker...
bjo59
(1,166 posts)and then just steamroller over everyone is so ugly. How does she get away with it? And there's Wolf telling them not to yell over each other when she interrupted Bernie with a scream fest and Bernie was standing there going "uh, Wolf? Wolf. Wolf!" to try and get that simpering CNN idiot to do his damn job.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)You may have low glutathione.
NAC is really good for preserving hearing in older people. Also alpha-lipoic acid.
Everybody should do this.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)JudyM
(29,277 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)JudyM
(29,277 posts)Let's not forget when she was up against Obama there were triple this number of debates. And that, were it not for Hillary's requesting a pre-NH debate that exceeded the paltry number that were then scheduled, she would not have had to concede to more.
Let's see a clip, please. I want to hear this "whining" that you assert.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)JudyM
(29,277 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)JudyM
(29,277 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Jewish and whining connection in many antisemitic stereotypes? Really? South Park covered it for goodness sake. It's not like it's a secret.
But keep pushing it. I expect you to double down on it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Continue to use it or not.
Side note: He didn't whine last night, either. So using it when it isn't true smacks even more of the stereotype.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)attacks?
Am I allowed to use ANY of that?
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)You do that all the time so why would you ask if you are allowed to do so?
JudyM
(29,277 posts)with all of us. Goodbye.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)in your post. Tongue in cheek.
I thought it would be an obvious, .... duh. lol
Karma13612
(4,554 posts)What does that even mean?????
frylock
(34,825 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Sanders does the same to get the debate in NY, and you characterize that as whining. Got it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Like her failed healthcare bill and her flag-burning amendment.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Like the Iraq war.
PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)The poster's only defense is to is to mock and dis-respect.
JudyM
(29,277 posts)PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)Regardless of who one supports or opinions for Democratic POTUS nominee;
Do you see in this thread and others how you disrespect others and show your ignorance?
Even when people try to be respectful and nice to you.
Some of the folks that jump in to support you are not your true friends because they allow your questionable behavior.
You make up your facts too often.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)Some Sanders supporters are rude and obnoxious but not a majority.
DU is a tiny slice of the real world.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)PufPuf23
(8,836 posts)I did not mock or laugh at anyone.
I was civil and an uncivil and disrespectful post from me is rare but does occur.
Civil means courteous and polite.
JudyM
(29,277 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)She has to lie because her actions have supported only the rich.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)He didn't get it.
He looked so red-faced and angry throughout the whole thing.
BuddhaGirl
(3,609 posts)His angry old man shtick with his constant finger-pointing and arm-waving is all he knows how to do.
Howard Fineman made a good point in the post-debate analysis - in that Bernie knows he can't win New York so he let it all rip, with the condescension and the inappropriate laughter during the gun control part of the debate. He then immediately leaves the country, while Clinton continues to campaign in NY.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)interrupting him numerous times, smirking and that laugh when she is called out on something that she knows she is wrong about - that all is good? Her debate tactics are worn and people booed her numerous times for good reason.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's fun! Try it.
BuddhaGirl
(3,609 posts)A personal insult from a Sanders supporter...the truth must have struck a nerve. LOL
Have a good day!
azmom
(5,208 posts)She would not answer questions directly even when she was pressed to do so.
She came accross as a slimy politician.
trueblue2007
(17,238 posts)YOU. KNOW. NOTHING.