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So.....is it du or die for Hillary on Tuesday???? (Original Post) a kennedy Apr 2016 OP
She is so over, get the fork...n/t monmouth4 Apr 2016 #1
Tuesday is a must win for Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #2
Not Hillary is 18 points behind. onehandle Apr 2016 #4
Indeed. "Not Hillary" might be 20 points behind after tonight. MADem Apr 2016 #7
What is a Not Hillary? morningfog Apr 2016 #9
The default candidate since Elizabeth Warren didn't run. onehandle Apr 2016 #10
In others words a figment of your imagination. morningfog Apr 2016 #13
Sanders needs to make up 210+ delegates and has to win on Tuesday Gothmog Apr 2016 #14
And it would have to be a substantial win. onehandle Apr 2016 #18
Everything from here on out is a must win for Sanders. baldguy Apr 2016 #28
Neither. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #3
It's not about ensuring... it's about Corporate666 Apr 2016 #17
Hillary is not going to drop dead ... and the indictment fairy ... JoePhilly Apr 2016 #21
Tonight I think she fought off/survived any chance for a real challenge and will do fine Tuesday. jmg257 Apr 2016 #5
I think its do or die for both. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #6
Not really. She's winning and will win next Tuesday, extending her lead. nt onehandle Apr 2016 #11
That's nice. But if she doesn't then look out. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #25
If she were to lose NY she is in a whole load of trouble. Agschmid Apr 2016 #8
Do or die for Secretary Clinton? Really? More like if BS doesn't win by 10 points, he's toast. n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #12
If he wins or loses by a small margin in a closed primary that is her "home state"... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #15
NY is not Secretary Clinton's homestate, it's actually BS's ... which if BS loses his homestate SFnomad Apr 2016 #20
Wait is that the new story.... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #22
It's not the "new story" ... it's pretty much common knowledge SFnomad Apr 2016 #23
That made me do a double-take, too-- lol. Marr Apr 2016 #24
We should be phonebanking like mad, we want NY State for Sanders. CentralCoaster Apr 2016 #16
Nope. nt onehandle Apr 2016 #19
That's quite a simplistic response. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #27
Bernie has to win New York big. Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #26

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. Indeed. "Not Hillary" might be 20 points behind after tonight.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:37 PM
Apr 2016

He may have given comfort to his base, but I think he lost a few voters with some of his comments.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
10. The default candidate since Elizabeth Warren didn't run.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:53 PM
Apr 2016

The 'Not Hillary' Party settled for Senator Sanders.

Gothmog

(145,558 posts)
14. Sanders needs to make up 210+ delegates and has to win on Tuesday
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:11 AM
Apr 2016

Without a win on Tuesday, it will really be impossible to catch Clinton

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
18. And it would have to be a substantial win.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:17 AM
Apr 2016

Like by 60+ points over Hillary.

The 'Not Hillary' Party have no idea how hopelessly behind they are.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
3. Neither.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:23 PM
Apr 2016

The delegate gap will either increase, or decrease.

But not enough to ensure a specific outcome.

Not yet.

Corporate666

(587 posts)
17. It's not about ensuring... it's about
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:15 AM
Apr 2016

probability.

Even if Clinton got the required pledged delegates, it does not mean she is guaranteed the nomination. After all, she could drop dead the day before the convention. Or some huge scandal could come out that ends her bid.

But events which are mathematically possible but in practical terms are impossible aren't what makes elections. It's a numbers game.

Sanders NEEDS to win NY. If he doesn't, he 3% chance of winning the nomination drops by a huge amount.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
21. Hillary is not going to drop dead ... and the indictment fairy ...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:19 AM
Apr 2016

... will not appear.

And Bernie does not only need to win NY, he needs to win it big.

But I do not expect that.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
5. Tonight I think she fought off/survived any chance for a real challenge and will do fine Tuesday.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:25 PM
Apr 2016

The weekend is lost to both, so nothing will change.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
6. I think its do or die for both.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:28 PM
Apr 2016

Perhaps Hillary can survive a very small loss and still go on to the nomination.
But that could lead to a big issue at the convention.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
8. If she were to lose NY she is in a whole load of trouble.
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:39 PM
Apr 2016

She may have the PD lead, but there will be an adjustment.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
12. Do or die for Secretary Clinton? Really? More like if BS doesn't win by 10 points, he's toast. n/t
Thu Apr 14, 2016, 11:59 PM
Apr 2016
 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
15. If he wins or loses by a small margin in a closed primary that is her "home state"...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:13 AM
Apr 2016

That will shake things up massively.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
20. NY is not Secretary Clinton's homestate, it's actually BS's ... which if BS loses his homestate
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:18 AM
Apr 2016

it would be a yuuuuge embarrassment, wouldn't it?

 

GeorgiaPeanuts

(2,353 posts)
22. Wait is that the new story....
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:20 AM
Apr 2016

We were told this was the carpetbaggers home state because she scurried on over and won to the senate twice. So you are saying now it is not her home state?

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
23. It's not the "new story" ... it's pretty much common knowledge
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:38 AM
Apr 2016

that Secretary Clinton was born in Chicago and BS was born in Brooklyn.

The BS Cheerleaders deny math and reality ... are you now denying geography too?

 

CentralCoaster

(1,163 posts)
16. We should be phonebanking like mad, we want NY State for Sanders.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 12:14 AM
Apr 2016

And a lot of the tricks that favor Clinton are already in place.

So we'll have to work hard, donate, phonebank if out of state, and canvas if we live there.

Like Bernie said, we can win this.

Demsrule86

(68,672 posts)
26. Bernie has to win New York big.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:57 AM
Apr 2016

I doubt he will...he is leaving the state for the faux conference which is very telling.

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