OFFICIAL DEBATE THREAD #3

[laruemtt]

Continued from Debate Threat #2.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1737168

[Lars39]

1. Thanks, laruemtt!

[Mother Of Four]

3. Ditto .. Thanks : )

[Mother Of Four]

2. Why is it so hard for her to answer yes or no?

Just ONCE ... please!

[morningfog]

6. That is the only way she's made it this far, no real conviction.

Anyway the wind blows.

[Duckhunter935]

10. Yes and stay in her allotted response

Time

[anotherproletariat]

34. Because complex issues are not black and white. nt

[AngryAmish]

4. EVERYONE WHO DISLIKES YOUR CANDIDATE IS A DEGENERATE!!!!!!!

Hurr, Dürer, yelling!!!!!!!!

[kcjohn1]

5. WOW Sanders not pandering to AIPAC & Jewish voters

Brave brave brave decision.

[ericson00]

7. he's just disregarding a core Democratic constituency and the will of both

Democrats and the American people

[kcjohn1]

11. Can you blame them?

When both parties compete to be the one who can kiss Israelis ass the most?

[ericson00]

15. Israel is the hope of the Middle East and the only Freedom House ranked free country there

so yea, it can do whatever the heck it wants and the American people are fine by it. As am I.

[angrychair]

120. Because

Freedom.







...unless your a Palestinian.

[ericson00]

183. when the Palestinians stop trying to use a "right of return" in someone else's state,

stop blowing themselves shouting "Allah akbar," then I'll care about them.

[cannabis_flower]

21. Yeah because..

they hardly ever report anything that happens over their from the Palestinian's point of view. It's always, Israel: victim, Palestinians: bad guys.

[beedle]

185. Triangulation is everything to Clinton supporters.

Vietnam had no lessons to learn.

[ericson00]

189. actually, supporting Israel and anti-triangulation

because triangulation was moving away from both parties, whereas supporting Israel is moving towards the stances of both parties.

[Onlooker]

8. He deserves credit for that ...

... though it's probably not the smartest political move in Brooklyn.

[Madam Mossfern]

57. The Orthodox in Brooklyn

are most likely voting Republican anyway.

[Duckhunter935]

12. Indeed so and great applause

[longship]

17. You mean not pandering to the ever delusional Netanyahu. nt

[JimDandy]

192. That was a very principled stand he took.

I will even say it was f**king brave.

[EndElectoral]

9. Bernie remained amazingly calm on that Israeli/Palestinian issue.

Scored big on it being a "two state solution." HRC's speech to AIPAC coming back to bite her a bit here.

[Blue_In_AK]

13. She sounded very, very hawkish.

[elleng]

20. as she is.

[karynnj]

134. I think it will be at best a toss up among Democratic Jews for Clinton

AIPAC is closer to the Republican Jewish position, though there are many Jewish Democrats who are progressive except for Palestine.

[DemocracyDirect]

14. An Honest Debate of Real Issues on Prime Time TV

This has got to hurt the PTB.

[CentralCoaster]

16. Clinton is not doing well at all. And would she mind not interrupting? Endless yammering.

And she's incapable of answering a yes/no question in fewer than ten pages.

[longship]

24. Damn! "Yammering" was one of my drink words.

Gees! I wish I hadn't chosen martinis.

Cheers!

[CentralCoaster]

31. LOL!

Let me know if "smug" was on there!

[longship]

71. Damnit! Smug was!

You see. I have no access to the debate here in the Manistee National forest. So my only access is via DU. So my drinking game is on what is reported here, not on what the candidates actually say. A DUer might post that Bernie said "blah blub blah" and I might have to slurp my martini again.

But I won't know whether he actually said that until I get the YouTube of the debate a day or two later. It will be a tough evening, with the martinis and all, but I'll get through it yet again.

My best to you.

[CentralCoaster]

77. And to you, longship!

We're doing well.

It's a good night!

[longship]

104. Indeed it is. I am on my third martuna, er martuni, er martini. That's it.

My best to you and yours. And indeed this is a fun debate night.

I can't wait to hear it tomorrow.

[CentralCoaster]

88. PS: "SHUT YOUR PIE HOLE WHEN IT'S NOT YOUR TURN!"

That's gotta be a twofer,

"shut your pie hole" and "it's not your turn", if we're looking' at DU comments.

That's two drinks right there, unless a combo counts for something more.

[longship]

96. OHHHHH DEARIE DEAR!

Alas, no where to go tomorrow.

Thanks, pals.

[AgerolanAmerican]

37. She gets indignant immediately when someone interrupts her

but she's happy to be the interrupter and overrun her time on every single question

because the rules don't apply to her

and she couldn't make it any clearer that she feels that way

[Blue_In_AK]

18. Free college and health care.

How are you going to pay for it, Bernie? He explains.

[BernieforPres2016]

19. Wolf loves to quote the unnamed "experts"

He is Mr. Conventional Wisdom, champion of the Status Quo.

[snowy owl]

22. B in his zone. He's thinking fast, taking control, quicker, concise responses.

[suffragette]

23. Damn right!

[Blue_In_AK]

25. More incrementalism from Hillary

It can't be done, none of it, nope, no way.

[EndElectoral]

26. Hillary on the "No, we can't." rant

[snowy owl]

27. I hate that meme - THE NUMBERS DO ADD UP HRC! Go to unbiased economists. Lots of them out there.

[CentralCoaster]

28. NO. WE ARE NOT AT 90% OF UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE!!!

We are at 0%.

We are at 90% coverage in private health care plans with for-profit companies.

How does she get away with these lies?

[snowy owl]

46. she gets more time...moving on is more important. Long answers - B left with unheard response

[laruemtt]

29. Arghhhh! Shut her up!

[Blue_In_AK]

30. Hillary's talking over again.

She just won't stop when her time is up.

[frylock]

45. I hope someone is running a clock.

I'd like to see how much more time she was allowed.

[BernieforPres2016]

32. Come on Hillary

Tell us how you don't want to pay for Donald Trump's kids to go to college.

No, she's not going there. She's telling us why we can't have a single payer healthcare plan because it costs too much and a "train wreck for the poor."

She goes back to quoting her Republican father - if it looks too good to be true, you better look at the fine print.

[Autumn]

73. She said a single payer healthcare plan is a "train wreck for the poor." ???

Seriously?

[frylock]

33. Thank you, Secretary..

blah blah blah blah blah blah

[Blue_In_AK]

35. Hillary stands up to everyone,

because I'm Hillary Obama.

[EndElectoral]

36. God, she is so bought...

[laruemtt]

38. Groundhog Day - it's back to Obama.

[Blue_In_AK]

39. Social security - lift the cap?

[elleng]

40. Lift the cap?

YadaYadaYada!

[EndElectoral]

41. Can't answer question in lifting the cap...what possible reason NOT to lift cap. it has nothing to

do with women and widows

[EndElectoral]

53. So she's now in favor of raising the cap?

[EndElectoral]

69. Wow, she was pathetic in the Soc Sec cap issue. now a softball question.

[snowy owl]

72. I still don't know . . . maybe but maybe can't get it done?

[TeeYiYi]

42. Congrats to everyone...

...with 'President Obama' on their bingo cards tonight!

TYY

[frylock]

52. I feel for anyone who had Obama on their drink card.

[bklyncowgirl]

113. Mine is when Hilary says Obama and When Bernie summons the waiter.

I'm blotto!

[frylock]

130. So Happy It's Thursday!

[TeeYiYi]

146. True...

They're probably under the table by now.

TYY

[beedle]

190. It's amazing that some of them are still posting :-)

HISLARRY, WE LuUz yiu zzzzzzz.......

[nc4bo]

43. Universal healthcare or universal healthcare coverage...there is a difference Secretary Clinton. nt

[laruemtt]

44. Bernie's laughing

as she says she's going to make the wealthy pay. How does she get away with these bald-faced lies??

[BernieforPres2016]

47. On Social Security, "if that is the way we choose to go"

Isn't she campaigning for President? Who are these people that are going to set the policy agenda on Social Security for her?

[BernieforPres2016]

51. Bernie: What you've just described is basically my legislation

And then he says he basically got it from Obama's 2008 campaign.

[Blue_In_AK]

48. Women.

[awake]

49. Hillary will not stop talking they need to kill the mic

When someone runs way over time and will not stop Like Hillary does.

[Sky Masterson]

50. I think they installed a faulty transducer

.

[snowy owl]

54. Panel stop it! Too much time now on irrelevant talk. "glad to hear it" -STOP

[Purveyor]

55. Uh oh... Here comes the head bobbing.

[elleng]

56. 'Welcome on board;

I'm glad you're here!

[frylock]

67. ell ohh ell

[snowy owl]

58. He got her!

[CentralCoaster]

59. She's lying about lying. Lie some more, Hillary.

[Barack_America]

60. Oh man. This is epic.

[frylock]

61. Welcome aboard! I'm glad you're here!

[BernieforPres2016]

62. Hillary is dying on this Social Security issue

She is talking in circles while trying to pretend she has just given a straight answer.

Bernie tries to pin her down again.

"I've said yes, we're going to pick the best way or best combination of ways."

So she is advocating nothing.

[awake]

63. She never will answer any questions

Duck and weave and talk talk... But no answer

[CentralCoaster]

64. BOOOOOOOOOOO!!! I like this audience.

[BernieforPres2016]

68. The second hour of this debate has been a disaster for Hillary nt

[snowy owl]

65. They let babble go on too long. She ask B for specifics now she has none.

[BeyondGeography]

66. That establishment barb was pretty good

[Sky Masterson]

70. Why does Bernie Hate Obama?

[snowy owl]

75. Obama is history and it's not about Obama. Look forward to change.

[Sky Masterson]

80. But I bought snacks

[longship]

90. Beers or martinis, too.

Pizza is good as well.

[Sky Masterson]

103. It's Nights like this I miss drinking.

[longship]

112. I dated a girl in college named Nancy Drinking. I always called her Miss Drinking. nt

[Sky Masterson]

119. I bet you miss Miss Drinking.

[longship]

144. Not with my BINGO card and my martinis I don't. Plus these fucking threads.

I blame you... Yup! That's it. Bernie and Hillary are blameless! It's DUers who want to get me plowed.



Just having some fun. My best to you.

[Sky Masterson]

157. Me too

Namaste

[longship]

174. Sisu!

My best to you as well.

[frylock]

81. I thought he was running again in November..

based upon what his spokesperson is saying tonight.

[Blue_In_AK]

74. Trying to make a point about Bernie not supporting Democrats?

[bettyellen]

76. He would ask PoTUS to withdraw the nominee over Citizens United litmus test

reiterating this is his only litmus test?
Hillary adds ROWE vs Wade to that.

[Blue_In_AK]

78. Women's rights.

[laruemtt]

79. She's bringing up abortion

to rally the crowd. She's desperately avoiding questions.

[bettyellen]

83. She is talking about the Supreme Court- and it matters a lot.

[gabeana]

82. Getting beat so she plays the woman card

Abortion something that Bernie agrees with good job pandering Hillary

[BernieforPres2016]

84. Hillary says there is no doubt she would nominate a person for the Supreme Court

who would overturn Citizens United.

Right Hillary, that's why you rake in that corporate cash, because you want to see this corrupt system overturned.

And she tries to pull up that 2 week old smear on Bernie calling abortion a "distraction". She is desperate.

[Blue_In_AK]

91. Dana's looking sour.

[Blue_In_AK]

85. Bernie goes over a couple seconds

and Dana freaks.

[Onlooker]

86. Sanders supporters upset Hillary is bringing up women's rights?

Well, after complaining that she "cackles" and "talks too much" it's pretty clear that Sanders supporters certainly don't want to talk about women's rights.

[ecstatic]

98. Those pesky identity politics... nt

[demmiblue]

87. Shut up, Hillary.

As a woman, I trust Bernie more on this issue.

[snowy owl]

89. She's deflecting by changing topics.

[thinking_charlotte]

93. they are both deflecting

[nc4bo]

97. Thats exactly what she did. Slick Hill move. nt

[snowy owl]

101. OMG! Listen to audience now. Equally loud for Bernie and sometimes louder!

His support is finally making themselves heard.

[ecstatic]

92. Why does Bernie speak about himself in third person all the time?

Arrogant much?

[Armstead]

102. NO, some people dont like to use I,I,I...Me, me,me all the time

[longship]

129. Listen to Trump, who speaks in first person exclusively.

Then you will know arrogance incarnate.

Your characterization of Bernie's third person, not so much as your candidate bias. Hillary also speaks in first person.

You're welcome.

[elleng]

94. 'There are a whole lot of independents in this country.

Have raised millions for my colleagues. a YUGE amount of money.'

[Renew Deal]

95. Bernie playing the hits

"yuge"

lol

[BernieforPres2016]

99. Dana Bash going to the Clinton talking points on raising money for Democrats down ticket

Bernie refutes it, and talks about all the voters he's bringing into the party. The future of the party isn't by raising the money from wealthy contributors.

Bernie is now following Hillary's lead and talking over the questioners to extend his answer.

[snowy owl]

110. This down-ticket $$ is not honest at all. This money is tangled up and hoarded.

[snowy owl]

121. I wonder if smart to brag about super delegates? 1 SD = to 1000 voters (I read) Is that democracy?

[Blue_In_AK]

100. Dana can't stand it when Bernie goes over time,

after Hillary has been doing it all night.

Now Hillary is gloating.

[awake]

105. Of the two only one candidate is on the record for the Gov. Having no say over a woman's body

Hillary is on record saying that the Goverment has a right at times to tell a woman what she can do or not do with her body Bernie feels the at No time should a Goverment ever tell a woman what she can or can not do with her own body.

[Madam Mossfern]

106. OMG shut up Hillary

[laruemtt]

107. Shut her up!

[Blue_In_AK]

108. Sec. Clinton, YOU'RE OUT OF TIME.

[EndElectoral]

109. My God, she won't shut up

[Mother Of Four]

111. Wow ...

She's shilling hard for him to capitulate.

"Lets unify - Here let me attack and lie about Bernie again"

[awake]

114. "Sec. Clinton you are out of time" how true how true.

[MadBadger]

115. Utah, Idaho, Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Alaska...

[Renew Deal]

116. Bernie about the deep south: "we got murdered there".

OK

[Blue_In_AK]

117. Pledged delegates.

Brag,brag, brag, brag, brag.

[Mother Of Four]

126. Thats going to come back and bite her in the butt

It came across as arrogant and smug, when she NEEDED to be humble, and show gratitude to her voters.

[Merryland]

127. it's SO braggy & obnoxious

she sounds like what we used to call a smart aleck.

[bettyellen]

118. Wow, he "believes he will win the nomination".

Not sure he really believes that, but they gotta say what they gotta say.

[BeyondGeography]

122. Deep South argument is lame

and it will get lamer on Tuesday.

[elleng]

123. "MY lead is bigger than YOURS."

[Armstead]

133. Does size matter?

Shame on me...

[elleng]

150. 's'OK, Armstead!

[BernieforPres2016]

124. Wow, Hillary just implicitly acknowledged the superdelegate fix

I lead in PLEDGED delegates too.

She said she's going to work in New York until the polls close on Tuesday.

Please mention the Clooney fundraiser Bernie.

[Barack_America]

125. Ooh! Listen to that drraaawlll as she names her Southern states.

Wait. Gone again.

[Impedimentus]

143. Triangulation Drraaawlll

[Impedimentus]

128. Sec. Clinton you are out of time please continue ...

and continue and continue. Sen. Sanders your time is up, shut up! - Dana Bash

[BernieforPres2016]

131. Yeah, Dana stood down for about 30 seconds there as Hillary rambled on.

[Blue_In_AK]

132. Duly noted favoritism.

[awake]

135. Does any one have an idea how much time each spoke?

I could be wrong but it seem that while answering few if any real questions Hillary seemed to never stop talking.

[Blue_In_AK]

139. She never stops.

I think she's gone over every single time.

[BernieforPres2016]

147. That's fine with me. The longer she talks the more circles she goes in and the worse she looks.

Watching her dance around that Social Security answer 4 or 5 times and pretending to the audience in the auditorium and a national TV audience that she was giving a direct answer and she and Bernie were in "vigorous agreement" was hilarious. Somebody will have a great video of that put together tomorrow.

[frylock]

177. Yep. How many times did Wolfy have to remind her that she didn't answer the question?

[snowy owl]

136. Wishing this would continue another half-hour. Bernie on fire.

[nc4bo]

142. They cut him off. HRC, not so much. nt

[snowy owl]

193. yes, I agree. And she demanded more responses than he had to reply.

[brooklynite]

137. One minute warning here in the hall

[EndElectoral]

138. Camera from behind revealed she's a boatload of notes. Bernie almost none. Interesting

[nc4bo]

151. Cliffnotes from debate crammer. nt

[Beacool]

140. I'm glad I wasn't participating in a drinking game tonight.

If I took a drink every time Sanders mentioned Wall Street, I would be flat on the floor by now.

[longship]

180. If one took a drink every time Hillary dodged a question on her being bought by Wall Street nobody

would be sober.

Just look at her fucking donor list and weep!

[Beacool]

181. No worse than Obama's.

[longship]

191. I note that you did not mention Bernie's donor list.

Because Hillary has absolutely no defense for her corporate donors against Bernie's millions of individual donors. Sadly, that is a cross Hillary has to bear.

Is that why her campaign stops are pay to play, often for big bucks, and Bernie's are free? Like yesterday's many thousands in Washington Square Park in NYC to see Bernie speak. Around that same time, Hillary was charging tens of thousands of dollars to sit near her at dinner co hosted by George Clooney and other exclusive celebrities. PAY TO PLAY! You want access to Hillary, you have to pay for it.

Of course, we all knew this years ago. It is what Queen Hillary did last time she ran for president. Only this time she almost never interacts with the public. That is unless they have the green backs to pay to be in her highness's presence.

It's rather disgusting, actually. And that says absolutely nothing about her political positions. Don't get me started about those.

Let's just say that Hillary Clinton is running one of the worst presidential campaigns I have ever seen. Certainly ever since the last time Hillary Clinton ran for president, which was equally horrible. Thankfully, Barack Obama won that one.

BTW, I notice that HRC attempted to hitch her horse on Obama several times in tonight's debate. I don't know what good that will do given that his approval rating is significantly higher than hers. Or... Maybe that's what she thinks she wants, or needs.

And I might add that interrupting and continually going over time in a debate is not a very idea.

[KPN]

141. Hillary just can't help coming across as

egotistical and arrogant. She is just hard to stomach.

[snowy owl]

145. a little humbler now than at first...wind out of sails

[Onlooker]

148. Women need to be more modest n/t

[masmdu]

162. Don't be sexist!

[longship]

171. No! Candidates in debates should respect the time rules!

Being a woman, or having a husband as a former president does not give one special privileges. In these cases, being a loud mouth is no advantage when people notice it.

Of course, if one has no ethics whatsoever, one plows through the time limit regardless of what anybody thinks. After all, nobody will notice and after all, IT'S MY FUCKING TURN!

[snowy owl]

182. Where did I say that? Do smugness, superior looks appeal to you?

[Renew Deal]

149. Bernie closing with yes we can

[BernieforPres2016]

152. Wow, what a closing statement by Bernie!

[Armstead]

153. God when Bernies good....He's Great!

[EndElectoral]

154. What we CAN DO versus What we CAN'T

[EndElectoral]

159. We won't make promises we CAN'T keep! Knew she'd slip it in.

[Blue_In_AK]

156. 9/11 blah, blah

[Onlooker]

169. 9/11 is a big deal in New York ...

... Let's remember liberal NYC was truly traumatized and I bet that included the Clintons. Going into Manhattan in the days after 9/11 was downright eerie it was so empty. Everyone was nervous, waiting for something else to happen.

[awake]

158. 9/11. 9/11......

[BernieforPres2016]

161. She couldn't figure out to speak for 2 minutes without spending 20-30 seconds on 9/11

Because she has no platform. She is running on the status quo and empty platitudes.

[demmiblue]

160. I probably shouldn't have watched this.

I have been purposely avoiding any Clinton videos (I did view Bill's nasty video... ugh).

I have always said I would vote for her, but

[BernieforPres2016]

165. Like Bernie says

We have to face the facts and deal with reality, even if it's unpleasant.

[Onlooker]

173. If only she was more ladylike, I bet a lot of Bernie supporters would like her more n/t

[demmiblue]

178. Thanks for insulting the feminists on DU who do not favor Hillary Clinton.

We love strong women, and we are also entitled to our own thoughts and opinions.

[Onlooker]

186. Did the feminists like you respond to the complaints about ...

... Hillary "cackling," "talking too much," "playing the woman card," and other microaggressions in the debate threads? But, you respond to my comment. Some feminist you are.

[demmiblue]

188. Who the fuck are you to judge me as a feminist?

And, yes I have commented on such things: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1680141



Stop trolling the board with your asshole accusations.

[frylock]

179. ..

[demmiblue]

184. Let me add to your playlist:

[snowy owl]

187. Why do you keep repeating the meme? Like HRC, you just keep saying the same thing over and over...

[edgineered]

163. She said,

We won't just make promises we can't keep...

[BernieforPres2016]

168. That's why she's promising nothing

She couldn't even say what she wanted to do about Social Security when pressed 4 or 5 times, basically said she would go along with whatever some unnamed others decide to do.

[EndElectoral]

164. Other than gun issue, she was hammered.

[TeeYiYi]

166. Did she finish?...

I fell asleep during her anticlimactic closing.

TYY

[Madam Mossfern]

167. Now the spin

I think that Sanders did well but I think the media is going to call it for Hillary as usual.

[BernieforPres2016]

172. And it will be as irrelevant as always. Everybody knows the media is in the tank for Hillary.

The online polls will have Bernie the winner by about 92-8.

[snowy owl]

194. So true. First up Nia criticizing Bernie and praising HRC. I left.

[timlot]

170. I like Jane Sanders....

She looks like a nice elementary school teacher. Something warm about her.

[Madam Mossfern]

175. She comes off

as very approachable.

[k8conant]

176. Oops-->I missed the closing statements (watching on DVR

and it went beyond the two hours.