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Tad Devine admits that Bernie Sanders was supported by the NRA in his run for Congress in 1990 (Original Post) ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 OP
a lot has changed in 26 years putitinD Apr 2016 #1
Yeah, but Bernie has voted for the gun immunity bill in 2005. ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #2
You say that like its a bad thing. N/T beevul Apr 2016 #15
The Sandy Hook families think it's a bad thing. I stand with them. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #16
Bzzt! Appeal to emotion fallacy. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #18
It'seems hard not to be emotional when you see children being killed. Nt ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #19
Doubling down on the fallacy! 20 yard penalty! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #21
And if they thought jumping off a bridge was a good thing, would you follow? beevul Apr 2016 #23
True, but it still is very bad scscholar Apr 2016 #6
What's so bad about it? Both candidates were pro-2A and pro-gun control. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #28
Bernie berned the NRA when he voted for the assault weapons ban as promised. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #3
Did you know Vermont has the highest per capita number of guns that end up committing crimes in NY? ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #4
LMAO! That figure is about as relevant to gun crime as the cow to human ratio. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #5
Will you support the Democratic nominee? Nt ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #7
Do you like turtles? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #8
I guess I like turtles. Do you think Hillary and Bernie are way better than Donald Trump? Nt ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #9
I like wombats too. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #10
Look, I am not trying to ask a trap question. I am really curious. ProudToBeLiberal Apr 2016 #11
We will give you a gold star TM99 Apr 2016 #13
Some people think baby sea turtles are cuter than baby box turtles. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #14
I'm a turtle guy, and that's a tough call. frylock Apr 2016 #34
Ikr? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #35
Go Gamera! TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #32
I love MST3K almost as much as turtles!!! How's this for a creature from the deep? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #33
Look at you using that bogus stat to TM99 Apr 2016 #12
Aw, you're going to ruin it! beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #24
Damn I suck. TM99 Apr 2016 #25
I think ALL those guns coming into NY from Vermont will get here when Sander's Tax Returns do... jmg257 Apr 2016 #17
Dayum! Tens of thousands of guns? Hillary's got a lot of explaining to do. beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #22
How many of those guns were used to commit crimes again? beam me up scottie Apr 2016 #26
I don't think that Bernie ever denied it. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #20
K&R RandySF Apr 2016 #27
Well, well, well workinclasszero Apr 2016 #29
Shrug. Eko Apr 2016 #30
in 2006 Sanders took 10000k from Hillpac... sasmath Apr 2016 #31

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
2. Yeah, but Bernie has voted for the gun immunity bill in 2005.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:53 PM
Apr 2016

The NRA said that passing the bill was their biggest accomplishment in 20 years.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
23. And if they thought jumping off a bridge was a good thing, would you follow?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:36 PM
Apr 2016
The Sandy Hook families think it's a bad thing. I stand with them.


And if they thought jumping off a bridge was a good thing, would you follow?

They have the right to be wrong about the PLCAA. They don't have the right to inflict that wrongness on everyone else.

Nobody who legally sells anything should be sued for the third party misuse of that thing.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
3. Bernie berned the NRA when he voted for the assault weapons ban as promised.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:53 PM
Apr 2016

That's why they printed up and distributed "Bye bye Bernie" bumper stickers, gave him an F rating five years in a row and a D minus lifetime rating.

This is old news, sad that you think it's a gotcha.

Alternet: Bernie's Gun Control Critics Are Wrong—His Stance Has Been Consistent for Decades

Next, the 1990 debate turned to gun control. The moderator, who clearly was a Second Amendment absolutist, went after Bernie—to test his mettle after Smith’s about-face.

“Do you support additional restrictions on firearms? Do you support additional restrictive firearms legislation?” he asked. “Bernie Sanders, explain yourself, yes or no?”

“Yes,” he replied. “Two years ago, I went before the Vermont Sportsman’s Federation and was asked exactly the same question. It was a controversial question. I know how they felt on the issue. And that was before the DiConcini Bill. That was before a lot of discussion about the Brady Bill. That was before New Jersey and California passed bills limiting assault weapons.


“I went before the sportsmen of Vermont and said that I have concerns about certain types of assault weapons that have nothing to do with hunting. I believe in hunting. I will not support any legislation that limits the rights of Vermonters or any other hunters to practice what they have enjoyed for decades. I do have concerns about certain types of assault weapons.”

That was not the end of his remarks. But it is worth noting that his separating the rights of traditional hunters from the concerns of police chiefs has been a constant thread in many subsequent votes he would take in Congress. It’s also noteworthy that Bernie consistently has opposed assault weapons from the late 1980s—before he was in Congress—which he reiterated to the moderator.

“I said that before the election,” he continued. “The Vermont sportspeople, as is their right, made their endorsement. The endorsed Peter Smith. They endorsed Paul Poirier. I lost that election by about three-and-one-half percentage points, a very close election. Was my failure to get that endorsement pivotal? It might have been. We don’t know. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn’t. All I can say is I told the sportspeople of Vermont what I believe before the election and I am going to say it again.

“I do believe we need to ban certain types of assault weapons. I have taked to police chiefs. I have talked to the police officers out on the street. I have read some of the literature all over this country. Police chiefs, police officers are concerned about the types of weapons which are ending up in the hands of drug dealers and other criminals and our police oficers are getting outgunned.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernies-gun-control-critics-are-wrong-his-stance-has-been-consistent-decades

ProudToBeLiberal

(3,964 posts)
4. Did you know Vermont has the highest per capita number of guns that end up committing crimes in NY?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016

You are from Vermont right? What's your perspective on this issue?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
5. LMAO! That figure is about as relevant to gun crime as the cow to human ratio.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016

It's midnight, do you know where Bessy is?






 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
12. Look at you using that bogus stat to
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:18 PM
Apr 2016

try and score a gotcha! Bravo!

So less than 1% of guns coming into NY are from VT. That is the reality beyond the games. Less than fucking 1% of the guns coming into NY are from VT.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
17. I think ALL those guns coming into NY from Vermont will get here when Sander's Tax Returns do...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:27 PM
Apr 2016

ANY day now.

55 out of 7686 in 2014. 61/8539 in 2013. VT didn't even make top 15 in 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, etc.
The horror.

(psst - state which supplies most illegal guns to NY...1619/10,444 in 2007? 1784/11,893 in 2006? NY.
NY Senator Clinton may want to explain that one.)

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
26. How many of those guns were used to commit crimes again?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:42 PM
Apr 2016

And how much money did Bernie take from the NRA you know, since you claim he was "supported" by them?


passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
20. I don't think that Bernie ever denied it.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

He just said it had nothing to do with him. He was not giving them anything in exchange for their support. They just liked his stance on guns better than the opposition.

This is another non-issue.

Eko

(7,318 posts)
30. Shrug.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:51 PM
Apr 2016

More people taking votes out of context. Sanders has a fairly good record on guns. So does Clinton. Some people have to throw spitballs I guess.

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