2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTad Devine admits that Bernie Sanders was supported by the NRA in his run for Congress in 1990
It was on Hardball. https://twitter.com/Zac_Petkanas/status/720027542565056512
putitinD
(1,551 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)The NRA said that passing the bill was their biggest accomplishment in 20 years.
beevul
(12,194 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)beevul
(12,194 posts)And if they thought jumping off a bridge was a good thing, would you follow?
They have the right to be wrong about the PLCAA. They don't have the right to inflict that wrongness on everyone else.
Nobody who legally sells anything should be sued for the third party misuse of that thing.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)That's why they printed up and distributed "Bye bye Bernie" bumper stickers, gave him an F rating five years in a row and a D minus lifetime rating.
This is old news, sad that you think it's a gotcha.
Next, the 1990 debate turned to gun control. The moderator, who clearly was a Second Amendment absolutist, went after Bernieto test his mettle after Smiths about-face.
Do you support additional restrictions on firearms? Do you support additional restrictive firearms legislation? he asked. Bernie Sanders, explain yourself, yes or no?
Yes, he replied. Two years ago, I went before the Vermont Sportsmans Federation and was asked exactly the same question. It was a controversial question. I know how they felt on the issue. And that was before the DiConcini Bill. That was before a lot of discussion about the Brady Bill. That was before New Jersey and California passed bills limiting assault weapons.
I went before the sportsmen of Vermont and said that I have concerns about certain types of assault weapons that have nothing to do with hunting. I believe in hunting. I will not support any legislation that limits the rights of Vermonters or any other hunters to practice what they have enjoyed for decades. I do have concerns about certain types of assault weapons.
That was not the end of his remarks. But it is worth noting that his separating the rights of traditional hunters from the concerns of police chiefs has been a constant thread in many subsequent votes he would take in Congress. Its also noteworthy that Bernie consistently has opposed assault weapons from the late 1980sbefore he was in Congresswhich he reiterated to the moderator.
I said that before the election, he continued. The Vermont sportspeople, as is their right, made their endorsement. The endorsed Peter Smith. They endorsed Paul Poirier. I lost that election by about three-and-one-half percentage points, a very close election. Was my failure to get that endorsement pivotal? It might have been. We dont know. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasnt. All I can say is I told the sportspeople of Vermont what I believe before the election and I am going to say it again.
I do believe we need to ban certain types of assault weapons. I have taked to police chiefs. I have talked to the police officers out on the street. I have read some of the literature all over this country. Police chiefs, police officers are concerned about the types of weapons which are ending up in the hands of drug dealers and other criminals and our police oficers are getting outgunned.
http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/bernies-gun-control-critics-are-wrong-his-stance-has-been-consistent-decades
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)You are from Vermont right? What's your perspective on this issue?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)It's midnight, do you know where Bessy is?
ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)I would support the Democratic nominee.
TM99
(8,352 posts)for saying so.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)I just wanna hug them both they're so adorable!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)For reptiles they sure know how to lay the charm on.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts).
Gamera is really neat! He is filled with turtle meat!
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beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)try and score a gotcha! Bravo!
So less than 1% of guns coming into NY are from VT. That is the reality beyond the games. Less than fucking 1% of the guns coming into NY are from VT.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)I deserve a beating. But it has to be on CPT.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)ANY day now.
55 out of 7686 in 2014. 61/8539 in 2013. VT didn't even make top 15 in 2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, etc.
The horror.
(psst - state which supplies most illegal guns to NY...1619/10,444 in 2007? 1784/11,893 in 2006? NY.
NY Senator Clinton may want to explain that one.)
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And how much money did Bernie take from the NRA you know, since you claim he was "supported" by them?
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)He just said it had nothing to do with him. He was not giving them anything in exchange for their support. They just liked his stance on guns better than the opposition.
This is another non-issue.
RandySF
(58,911 posts)Nice to see that the Sabders campaign is honest once in a while.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)The NRA, folks. SMDH
Eko
(7,318 posts)More people taking votes out of context. Sanders has a fairly good record on guns. So does Clinton. Some people have to throw spitballs I guess.
sasmath
(24 posts)so says the internet...true?