Am I the only one who's ever notice how black people are always late to stuff?

[DFab420]

Like not offensively late, just kind of humorously late, always, like they run on their own time??


See, because they aren't like US, they are different!! FUNNY RIGHT?!


I hope you all realize how unacceptable it is for the Mayor of New York City to be propagating these kind of stereotypes.

[Dem2]

1. Not even funny making a point

crude and over-the-top.

[rbrnmw]

2. black folks are pissed too!!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=48680

[1StrongBlackMan]

3. Thanks for sharing ... What other "insights" do you have regarding Black people?

[DFab420]

5. Not sure, I'll check in with the Mayor and see what else he thinks is appropriate.

[1StrongBlackMan]

19. What does what the Mayor thinks appropriate have to do with what you observe(d)?

[HERVEPA]

101. It was clear he was trying to make a joke to make a point. Not a good job of it, but it was clear.

[1StrongBlackMan]

110. I know he was trying to make a joke; but ...

the deflection was the only thing clear.

[HERVEPA]

118. OK

[Jackie Wilson Said]

7. I have asked him where he was when some were fighting redlining or hiring practices

or racism.

He told me it was the stupidest response he had ever seen.

[DFab420]

10. No you said I couldn't be concerned over racism unless I had some bonafide Civil Rights experience.

But you can make your own truth.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

12. AT this point given your age, you might sit back and say

"hmm, maybe I can learn something here"

Even if you weren't young, you could say you could learn something, but I see you arent going to do that.

[DFab420]

27. Learn something like not attacking other people for being young?

Or maybe not insulting peoples intelligence because they don't have the experience you deem necessary to participate in a discussion.

Maybe you need to learn not to judge people so quickly then stalk them around and demean them?

[Android3.14]

18. Hmmmm

Perhaps "you" could provide some insights.

[1StrongBlackMan]

21. Why?

[Android3.14]

48. Because if there is anyone

Because if there is anyone who can explain why it is okay for powerful white people to demean African Americans with racist jokes, it would be you.

She's your candidate. Enlighten us.

[1StrongBlackMan]

96. But why should I? You won't listen ...

as you continually demonstrate ... most recently, here:

She's your candidate.

[Matt_in_STL]

103. Sorry, the proper term is "colored people" now that we know it isn't racist or offensive.

[1StrongBlackMan]

111. Thank for clearing that up. What else would you like to let me ...

Know is racist and offensive?

Thanks, in advance. I'm learning so much today.

[giftedgirl77]

4. Your Caucasian Concern is duly noticed.

[DFab420]

8. Oh thanks for that! Glad to know you consider me "other"

Must be nice be able to ignore people based on their skin color.

[giftedgirl77]

13. When you try & tell us what we should be outraged about after being

told repeatedly that it wasn't an offensive statement then yes you should be dismissed. Tomorrow you'll have some shiny new topic to get your panties in a bunch over.

[DFab420]

16. I'm voicing my own outrage, just because you read it and took umbrage

doesn't mean I'm TELLING you anything.

I'm raising a point that clearly makes you uncomfortable so you resort to demeaning me and my thoughts by using the color of my skin to say what I have to say isn't important.


You are clearly so enlightened.

[giftedgirl77]

20. No, I'm not uncomfortable. I'm telling you that you are way off base in

your outrage. I'm trying to explain to you that this is a non issue for us. You should pick your battles so you don't make an ass out of yourself.

[DFab420]

23. You are telling me that you speak for the ENTIRETY of the African American populous.

And just because you aren't outraged means I have no right to my own emotional experience?

Are you listening to the ridiculous racism coming out of your finger tips right now? Like step back real quick and turn this conversation around.

You realize how off base you are right?

[giftedgirl77]

26. I'm speaking from experience & if you would read the link to the OP

to the AA forum you would see that I am not the only one & that it is very much a cultural thing. For like the 300th time issues like these should not be something overly concerned white folks to take the lead on. Try getting a consensus from those actually effected prior to lighting your hair on fire.

[w4rma]

83. That group is hosted by Hillary Astroturfers, who systematically ban Sanders supporters.

There have been many complaints from many African-Americans who were banned by them.

Don't rely on Astroturf as a gauge of what real people are thinking.

[cwydro]

89. I can't believe this OP is still here.

Wow.

[w4rma]

106. Why? Because it paints Hillary in a bad light? Or because Hillary made the 'joke' first? (nt)

[cwydro]

115. Hillary did not make the joke.

DeBlasio did.

This is just sad.

[w4rma]

132. Yes, your defense of a scripted joke that Hillary was part of is 'just sad', cwydro. (nt)

[cwydro]

141. Reading comprehension is important.

In no way did I "defend" anything.

I pointed out that your statement was incorrect. Which it was.

Hillary did not make the joke, DeBlasio did.

[Gwhittey]

28. What is even funny is that he starts off

Telling you to stop telling him how to feel and ends with telling you how you are wrong because he knows how all African Americans think.

[giftedgirl77]

34. That's not at all what I was saying.

I was saying situational awareness & actually being part of the culture gives me much more perspective. But thanks for your insight Whitey.

[DFab420]

36. Whitey huh?

that's some ugly ass shit right there.

[Gwhittey]

40. What is funny is I am mixed race.

But he is ignorant of people on internet and thinks he is only minority that matters because he is drone of Clintons.

[giftedgirl77]

43. Hey spanky do you think the word girl in my screen name is just for shits & giggles.

I don't care what race you are, if you are that clueless of black culture that's a personal problem.

[Loudestlib]

69. I think the gifted part is ironic.

[giftedgirl77]

42. Lol, my bad it was a typo on his name.

[DFab420]

44. Pretty fucking convenient typo..forgetting the two letters that make it an insult

Not only are you racist but you are a coward when confronted

[Gwhittey]

46. They also are on ignore...long time comeing really.

I don't need to have my race called in question by a racist who obviously has crowned herself leader of the African American people in the world.

[bvf]

90. FYI:

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
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Pretty fucking convenient typo..forgetting the two letters that make it an insult
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1717281

REASON FOR ALERT

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[DFab420]

92. When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time - Maya Angelou

[bvf]

104. Works for me.

It's amazing what some people will defend, even after being slapped squarely in the face.

Others are just sarcasm-challenged beyond belief.

This should have been a 7-0 vote to leave.

[w4rma]

84. Hillary's supporters are pulling DU down to the dogs. "Whitey" is now "appropriate" namecalling?

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

The term "Whitey" is racist.

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[Hydra]

95. Yup, anything to win

And I was going to report that, too bad it sailed through.

[frylock]

123. Better to leave it for all to see.

[northernsouthern]

131. Agreed.

I left one and possibly responded a bit too harshly to it because I am sick and tired of being called racist for supporting Bernie...mine got hidden though. It was cathartic though. I do think the OP on this thread should edit it a bit more, since the thing he is referring too is more of a taboo for me because it is people of power using other's minority status to cash in for their own gains. It seemed like an attempt to seem credible to the community they are touting, but at the same times the ease at which they did it was how a privileged person would handle a lesser person's issues, like a rich Duke telling a butler that works for him how he is also tired from his long day of work (even-though the butler has been working since the break or dawn and will not retire until after him). It seemed very out of touch, a bit to flippant with the term. I still don't see it as overt racism but it has been in the press a bit longer than I expected.

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. No ... She's telling you her views align with ...

the vast majority of Black posters on DU (well, Black before 4/2015) and with her being Black, herself, I suspect what she is hearing in her circle.

Are you listening to the ridiculous racism

I don't think that word means what you think it does ... perhaps, you should use the "proper" term, "reverse racism"!!!

[DFab420]

38. Racism by definition isn't White Vs Black.

It's Race vs Race.

Come on. Reverse racism is an outdated term that ended in the early 2000's.

[1StrongBlackMan]

93. No ...

Reverse racism is an outdated term that ended in the early 2000's.

No .. it is still used on DU to this day ... just like the early 2000s definition of racism as being "Race vs Race".

[brush]

63. Pls stop with the whitesplaining. You've told over and over it's a non-issue to us yet you persist.

[DFab420]

67. Please stop generalizing me by the color of my skin!! I'm allowed to be a person and have valid

opinions on race god dammit.

[w4rma]

86. On a messageboard, how do you know what color the poster's skin is?

You assume too much, brush.

[840high]

51. Of course you're

not outraged - Hillary was part of the skit.

[giftedgirl77]

53. Oh for fuck sake.

Im not outraged bc we use the term constantly. You might know that if you ever associated with black folks in the real world.

[DFab420]

58. So white people who are down can now start using the n word too?

How racist do we get to be if we pass the test?

[brush]

74. Leave it alone. You're going way over the top with this. It's a non-issue

Except it seems, to Bernie supporters who now realize in New York black votes matter, unlike the black votes that didn't matter in the "confederate,red states" that were so often minimized on many posts here.

[840high]

79. Let me tell you - it's all over

the net. Not just Bernie supporters commenting.

[DFab420]

82. Damned if you do damned if you don't. You just want me to be wrong because you disagree with my

candidate choice. You are willing to ignore the fact that a) the Mayor of New York City, just said Colored People Time, or at least alluded to it to the point where we ALL understood what he said b) a democrat was using a racial stereotype to poke fun at an entire group of people and c) it was scripted, vetted and no one in either adminstration said maybe it was out of line.

I promise you if that in de Blasio was a Bernie supporter I would still be just as upset at his comment. This isn't a Hillary/Bernie thing this is a big D democrat thing. What do we consider to be a public dialogue that is acceptable.

I for one do not want the Mayor of New York to feel comfortable making jokes about race, no matter how banal, considering the cities history with marginalizing minorities.

[GeorgiaPeanuts]

116. Lol they would be... I remember people in the news had a fit over Killer Mike's uterus comments...

And that was a damn quote from a Lesbian Woman he was using. Hilli Vanilli gets a free pass cause she is married to the first "black" president.

[840high]

78. Hillary is not black. You don't know

the make-up of my family or friends.

[BillZBubb]

57. Bingo!

[BillZBubb]

56. If anyone is making an ass of themselves it is you. You DON'T SPEAK for all AA's.

It may be a non-issue for you, that's up to you. For many others it is an issue.

[1StrongBlackMan]

24. NO! ...

Tomorrow you'll have some shiny new topic to get your panties in a bunch over.

The new and Approved phrase is, "Tomorrow you'll have some shiny new topic to turn your briefs into a thong over."



Thanks, JAG!

[giftedgirl77]

29. Of course, I couldn't remember the exact wording from her.

But it's perfect.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

9. Can you imagine all these newly concerned folks actually putting this concern

behind the real issues like redlining, hiring practices and daily shootings?

They (these issues) might all disappear, literally. We could wipe them all out with all this "concern".

[DFab420]

11. SO because I speak out against a racist joke I'm a poser?

You really like to dehumanize those you disagree with huh?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

14. Dehumanize? Now now, that is a out of context thing to say...You still have time to

say "wait a minute, I might be able to learn something here".

[AgerolanAmerican]

39. What we're learning

is that there are absolutely mind blowing double standards going on here

[840high]

55. Imagine the uproar if Bernie

had been part of this.

[giftedgirl77]

17. They can't focus on anything major between talking points.

[840high]

59. I thought it was Hillary supporters

who went on for days on end to ficus how Bernie will get to the Vatican. You must have considered that a major issue.

[whathehell]

114. I believe the word you want is '"noted"

as in "Your Caucasian concern is duly noted".

[Tarc]

6. Thanks for the whitesplain

[DFab420]

91. Thanks for invalidating my opinions because of the color of my skin!!

[Tarc]

129. You are quite welcome

Keep this is mind when you rush to the rescue of someone who didn't really need rescuing in the first place.

[Matt_in_STL]

108. Exactly

If some colored people aren't offended by it or find it racist, it isn't our place to say otherwise.

[whathehell]

117. Lot's of Blacksplaining here..

It's only fair.

[Tarc]

130. Er, what?

Are you the kind of person that wonders why we don't have a White History Month?

[Kentonio]

136. Was it 'whitesplain' when a black woman said it offended her in the AA forum

And was told to 'take it to the Bernie group'?

Or when another person in the AA group talked about all the 'new minorities' who were saying they were offended? I just want to be sure I understand exactly what kind of standards we're working with here.

[Tarc]

139. Almost all of the DU AA group people don't think it was a big deal

[polly7]

15. Yeah, that was one of the strangest things I've ever seen politicians do.

I think twelve y/o's could have come up with something a lot less offensive.

[jmg257]

22. Ya think the black guy in the skit was pissed too? Maybe it was total improv and he didn't know

it was coming?

[uppityperson]

25. Is there some sort of context for this?

[DFab420]

30. Bill De Blasio said he would'be endorsed Clinton sooner but he runs on Colored Peoples Times

[uppityperson]

37. Thank you. It seemed pretty bad, even for DUs GDFightclub forum

[geek tragedy]

47. That is a lie. A brazen lie.

And you know it.

People who have google can verify this.

[DFab420]

49. How is it a lie??

Because Clinton said the punchline?? The inference is still right there in everyone's face.

[geek tragedy]

50. It was a dumb joke that explicitly stated

it was "cautious politician" time trying to be cute by getting people to expect an offensive line and getter something banal.

He wasn't peddling bigotry.

[DFab420]

54. THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT HE WAS DOING. Just because he didn't land with a racist punchline

doesn't mean that the fucking set up for the joke wasn't racist.

[geek tragedy]

64. you will note the large pile of fucks

not being given by the people on whose behalf you are expressing offense.

[bigtree]

99. +1000

[kwassa]

66. The joke wasn't racist, except to some Bernie supporters.

Hence the outrage.

[treestar]

140. Why would diBlasio

Want to offend black people? At worst it was awkward but he would not have meant to offend.

[kwassa]

60. That is not what he said. ...

And that was the joke. He said CP time.

Hillary translated it as Cautious Politician Time.

[oberliner]

119. No he didn't

Simply not true.

[Codeine]

31. Three threads on this?

One would think you could express yourself in one.

[DFab420]

33. Three seems to be meeting the needs quite well. Thanks tho!

[840high]

62. How many Hillary supporter threads on

the Vatican.

[Codeine]

73. Entirely too many. It's a stupid topic.

But at least those tended to have a One Per Customer limit.

[840high]

85. Agree.

[B Calm]

32. About as funny as Bill kicking black people to the curb and patting his bad cops on the back!

Pretty sick humor in my opinion!

[840high]

68. Or Hillary turning her back on the young lady from BLM.

[kgnu_fan]

41. well, in my own experience, ALL Italian poeple are always late, no?

[ScreamingMeemie]

45. Google Lombardi time.

[BillZBubb]

61. If Bernie had been in a skit like that, the AA forum would have exploded.

But since that forum is all in for Her Majesty, she gets nary a raised eyebrow.

[840high]

70. The double standard makes me

want to vomit.

[Bobbie Jo]

122. lol

Don't even.

[VulgarPoet]

142. Please. They hosted a bloody kumbaya circle for an anti-semite.

If there's anything that's ever made me more ashamed of half of my heritage, it's the tacit implication that "hey, racism is cool even though we've been suffering that kind of shit since time imme-goddamn-morial"

[Hydra]

97. ^This

It's no unlike how BLM ended up with knives in their backs from Team Hill.

It's all fine as long as if benefits her corporate majesty.

[uponit7771]

107. and right to do so seeing he had someone who called Obama niggerized stump for him in front of mostl

... mostly white IA and NH and now Cornell West is rarely if ever seen.

[BillZBubb]

126. Cornell West is an African American. He stumped for Sanders in the South as well.

Are you equating a black man making that comment about another black man with two white people talking about CP time?

Now West is rarely seen because he was too outlandish for Bernie. And like Hillary Bernie can't control what his supporters say, only what he says.

But nice try at spin.

[Nyan]

112. Oh God. That is so true...

He would be getting pressured to drop out of the race, by everyone in the media

[oberliner]

120. And Bernie supporters would've defended him

It would've been the mirror image of what is happening now.

[Capt. Obvious]

147. That group will be a ghost town once the primaries are over

and all the Rachel's leave.

[jcgoldie]

65. Seems like they make it to the polls on time

To vote against Bernie Sanders

[smiley]

76. and then forget to show up at the next level caucus....

almost like they were never there to begin with.

[Codeine]

77. "And thus was the thread ended,

having been brought to it's logical and complete end with jcgoldie's winning."

[BillZBubb]

75. Wow, someone has a satire awareness deficiency. Hillary's skit was racist.

The OP merely extrapolated on that.

So, I would say your post is typical Hillarybot ignorance.

[ecstatic]

81. It was a lame skit, but it wasn't racist. This OP is racist.

Congratulations. I know you guys are desperate to expand beyond angry white guys, but your repeated disingenuous attempts to "change the tide" just make you look more racist/foolish than anyone else. Pathetic!

[BillZBubb]

87. If Bernie had done that skit, you Hillarybots would have screamed RACISM!

Your convenient double standard is well known.

[oberliner]

121. And Bernie supporters would've defended him

Everything plays out quite predictably here these days.

[BillZBubb]

124. I'm not so sure about that.

In 2008 I started out for Hillary, but then the Clintons started in with their racist dog whistling. That turned me off and I drifted to Obama. If Sanders pulled that shit, I'd seek an alternative.

The Clintons are back to their usual tricks: divide on race and play to the side you need at the time.

[oberliner]

144. Have you criticized anything about Bernie's campaign so far?

It just really seems like Bernie's fans defend him 100 percent and Hillary's fans do likewise for her.

In this case, it seems like the people who are critical of Hillary's appearance at this show are those who already don't like her and the people defending her are those who do like her.

Similarly, with the Vatican thing, the people who were critical of Bernie there were those who already don't like him and the people defending him were those who do like him.

Generally speaking, that is how things seem to play out here with respect to the candidates.

[BillZBubb]

145. Yes, I didn't like him using Cornell West as a surrogate among other things.

West is too inflammatory and Bernie doesn't need a loose cannon, since he's already on the edge politically. My only defense of that is Bernie can't control what other people say, but he did make a mistake enlisting West.

He should have already released his tax returns. I don't understand what the hold up is on that. Failure to do so is a big negative. He deserves criticism for the delay and I cannot defend it.

His plans do need some fleshing out to make people more comfortable (or to give his opponent less of an easy target). Personally I see no problem with what he has proposed but I recognize others might.

He hasn't run a perfect campaign obviously.

[oberliner]

146. OK

I do think my point is still valid. There are definitely some folks on both sides who are willing to be critical of their candidate from time to time. However, I think, for the most part, there are some double standards at play on both sides. That is to say that Hillary fans give Hillary a pass on things that they would jump on Bernie for and vice versa. Don't you think?

[B Calm]

137. But, Bernie didn't do that!

[beedle]

100. Afraid not

That's what happens when we play fast and loose with racism .... one person thinks they have the right to joke about racism, then someone else decides that if they can joke about it, then I can too, but I'll make it a little bit racier 'cause what's the harm of taking level 1 racism to level 2 .. and if level 2 is okay, then level 3 racism must be okay as well ...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

72. Hillary, the abuelita, will help them be on time for her next war.

[Generic Other]

80. A List of People Allowed to Make Jokes About Colored People Time, Explained

While I think he was being sarcastic, I recall reading that slaves in the field used to break and lose the master's tools as a passive aggressive reaction to slavery. Mr. Young raised an interesting point here:

"I actually think us being allowed to be late to everything should be a surcharge America pays us for that slavery thing — stopwatch reparations, if you will — but that’s just me." --Damon Young

http://verysmartbrothas.com/a-list-of-people-allowed-to-make-jokes-about-colored-people-time-explained/

Anyway, I don't think tone deaf white people should EVER make jokes about people of color.

[w4rma]

88. I think you shouldn't assume the skin color of a poster on a messageboard.

It sure doesn't make you look "color blind".

[Generic Other]

94. Are you saying POC are pretending to be white or vice versa?

Just to give each other a bad name?

I am not colorblind. I am 50% Japanese and 50% English. Most people assume that means 100% Asian whether on a message board or in person. Funny how that works.

[w4rma]

102. No. I'm saying: don't assume things. (nt)

[Generic Other]

134. So is that like telling me it's not racist because it's just a joke?

I have heard that one before.

[w4rma]

135. Hillary's joke is racist. (nt)

[Generic Other]

143. That's how I read it too

but I am always accused of being too sensitive about race.

[w4rma]

149. I think we were in agreement for this entire exchange. I'm sorry for the miscommunication. (nt)

[Generic Other]

150. Nothing to apologize for

I just had a bad reaction to Hillary's sense of humor.

[pa28]

98. You made a "CP time" joke and there's suddenly lots of outrage from Hillary supporters.

Where was all the outrage the other day when Hillary was laughing it up about "CP time" in front of a mostly white audience? Gosh, you might think all the divisive race baiting against Bernie for the last year was coming from a place of very deep cynicism and falsity.

[uponit7771]

105. "when you talk about ghettos traditionally, what you talk about is African-American communities. "

[BillZBubb]

127. Geez, give it up with that one. That is so weak as to be laughable.

You simply cannot admit Her Majesty has a little racism in her repertoire.

[Lars39]

109. State workers usually have to take sensitivity training.

Did the mayor not attend any?

[Buzz cook]

113. Ha funny. You saw the structure of the joke then you flopprd it

The joke was oh are we going to say something naughty, why no we flip is so that we're making fun of politicians not minorities.

And here you are flipping it again, making fun of minorities and then flipping it to making fun of politicians with a sarcasm tag.

Well done.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

125. Yikes

[left-of-center2012]

128. Hillary was in on the "joke"

According to various news shows today, it was pre-scripted so Hillary could say she didn't like the joke.

"Hey, let's do a racist joke and then I'll (Hillary) complain.
That'll help me with the African-American vote!"

[In_The_Wind]

133. Seriously ...

[LexVegas]

138. Concern noted. nt

[chervilant]

148. I find it astonishing

that so many Hi11ary supporters are twisting themselves into pretzels to deny that this was a disgusting, racist joke. Is the cognitive dissonance that distressing?!?

[kwassa]

153. I find it astonishing

that so many Bernie supporters are twisting themselves into pretzels trying to make a joke into a racist comment when the black people on DU tell them it is only a joke.

I guess some white Bernie supporters know better than black people what is or is not racist to black people.

[yourpaljoey]

152. Does someone not get that?