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reformist2

(9,841 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:00 PM Apr 2016

I hate to say it, but I think whoever wins New York will win the nomination.

Like it or not, it's the home state of *both* candidates. Winning with the people who know you best says a lot about not only the strength of your candidacy, but about the strength of your character as well. It will be very difficult indeed for the losing candidate to pick up the pieces after a loss in New York, no matter how strong their momentum going in, or how much money their billionaire bankers spend afterward.

After New York, it will be all over except for the coronation.

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I hate to say it, but I think whoever wins New York will win the nomination. (Original Post) reformist2 Apr 2016 OP
I anti-agree completely northernsouthern Apr 2016 #1
Ca is no WA MFM008 Apr 2016 #10
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #13
He won the black vote in Wisconsin by double digits Tiggeroshii Apr 2016 #19
I am Asian and I reject the idea that everyone is white in Washington Generic Other Apr 2016 #22
My whole asian-american family is also voting for Sanders. Tiggeroshii Apr 2016 #30
Mine too Generic Other Apr 2016 #32
It has got to be Hillary ImaPolitico Apr 2016 #11
You had me at... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #14
I put obvious paid campaign propagandists on ignore. Maedhros Apr 2016 #20
Uh huh. Keep believing that RoccoR5955 Apr 2016 #21
The amdinistration of the State Department Buzz cook Apr 2016 #25
What exerience? demwing Apr 2016 #24
Bernie Sanders 2016 putitinD Apr 2016 #2
NY is not winner take all, right? Therefore I dont think it will be over at that point. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #3
I don't think the Democrats have any remaining ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #12
You're right about the delegate split, but I'm talking about the psychology. reformist2 Apr 2016 #18
Oh, hell, if we are talking psychology let's talk psychology. TM99 Apr 2016 #27
Since Hillary is over 200 delegates ahead... Walk away Apr 2016 #28
There are no "winner take all" states. Adrahil Apr 2016 #36
they will win all the rest MFM008 Apr 2016 #4
It's all been a coronation. But, next comes the rude surprise that upends the punch bowl. leveymg Apr 2016 #5
Well then, welcome Madame President Hillary Rodham Clinton !! JanetLovesObama Apr 2016 #6
Woo, Hoo... ImaPolitico Apr 2016 #17
Welcome to ignore! Your clueless post has gained your admittance. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #26
Actually Bernie was not a conscientious objector although he applied oasis Apr 2016 #29
Wow, you got all the dirt! nt malokvale77 Apr 2016 #35
I tend to agree. Partly because the calendar. morningfog Apr 2016 #7
I agree about the importance of New York... thesquanderer Apr 2016 #8
Do the people of one's home state know someone that has been gone ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #9
Most people know Bernie is "from" New York. So that ought to help him. If it doesn't... reformist2 Apr 2016 #16
I feel the same way Dem2 Apr 2016 #15
I think so too. tabasco Apr 2016 #23
New York is a must win for Sanders Gothmog Apr 2016 #31
Yeah, it'll be a steep hill for Bernie. RandySF Apr 2016 #33
I would say you're right. And Sanders is going to an obscure academic conference 4 days before . . . brush Apr 2016 #34
 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
1. I anti-agree completely
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:02 PM
Apr 2016

I think who ever wins in California most likely wins, seeing as it is the largest state and it is on my side of the US.

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
10. Ca is no WA
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016

not a caucus state to start with.
more diverse than us in WA.
(Damn near everyone at that caucus here was white.)
Cant automatically be swept into Sanders column.

Response to MFM008 (Reply #10)

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
19. He won the black vote in Wisconsin by double digits
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:26 PM
Apr 2016

He was well ahead in the Asian vote on Hawaii. Polls show he is ahead with Hispanic voters by up to 30%. Why don't you take a trip to Los Angeles and see how we're feeling the bern out here and how that stereotyping is going for you?

Generic Other

(28,979 posts)
22. I am Asian and I reject the idea that everyone is white in Washington
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:09 PM
Apr 2016

The I-5 corridor is incredibly diverse. It is also where the bulk of the population lives.

Seattle:
White - 69.5%
Black or African American - 7.9%
Amer. Indian & Alaska Native - 0.8%
Asian - 13.8%
Native Hawaiian & Other Pac. Islander - 0.4%
Other race - 2.4%
Two or more races - 5.1%
Hispanic or Latino ethnicity (of any race): 6.6%
Persons of color: 33.7%
2006-2010 American Community Survey

Foreign born: 17.3%
Population (age 5+) speaking language other than English at home: 21.3%

Tacoma (where I live):
64.9% White (60.5% Non-Hispanic White),
12.2% African American,
8.2% Asian (2.1% Vietnamese, 1.6% Cambodian, 1.3% Korean, 1.3% Filipino, 0.4% Chinese, 0.4% Japanese, 0.2% Indian, 0.2% Laotian, 0.1% Thai),
1.8% Native American,
1.2% Pacific Islander (0.7% Samoan, 0.2% Guamanian, 0.1% Native Hawaiian),
8.1% were from two or more races.
Hispanic or Latino residents of any race were 11.3% of the population (8.1% Mexican, 1.1% Puerto Rican).

on edit:
Adding Federal Way (halfway between Seattle and Tacoma:
61.1% White,
8.7% African American,
0.8% Native American,
17.5% Asian,
3.0% Pacific Islander,
4.2% from other races,
4.5% from two or more races.
Hispanic or Latino of any race were 10.5% of the population.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
21. Uh huh. Keep believing that
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:07 PM
Apr 2016

when in actuality, she has LESS experience than Sanders.
Find any unicorns in that fantasy world?

Buzz cook

(2,472 posts)
25. The amdinistration of the State Department
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

Is bigger than some states and some countries. Four years of controlling that is more administrative experience than Sanders has.

Clinton worked for the Rose law firm in Arkansas for about 15 years becoming its first female full partner. That is more legal experience than Sanders.

As both a private individual and a government official Clinton has visited more countries and interacted with more foreign leaders than Sanders has.

Should I go on?

Jackie Wilson Said

(4,176 posts)
3. NY is not winner take all, right? Therefore I dont think it will be over at that point.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:02 PM
Apr 2016

Anymore over than it is now, in the eyes of Bernie or his supporters, myself included.

I dont want it to be over until it is over, myself.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. I don't think the Democrats have any remaining ...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:08 PM
Apr 2016

"winner takes all", or even "winner takes most" primaries remaining ... therein, contributing to Bernie's math problem.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
18. You're right about the delegate split, but I'm talking about the psychology.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:21 PM
Apr 2016

New York isn't normally the most important state anymore, but this year, due to the importance it has in both candidate's biographies - and one candidate's fundraising - it is arguably *the* most important state in the primary schedule.
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
27. Oh, hell, if we are talking psychology let's talk psychology.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:39 PM
Apr 2016

Going into this campaign, Clinton had it locked up. She was inevitable. She had all the money, the connections, the power, the influence, and the DNC in her pocket.

Out of nowhere Sanders not only came from single digits, he has won the last 7 states in this primary.

Let's talk more about the psychology. The prediction was over at Iowa with Sanders only winning his own state. Then it was over at Super Tuesday. Then it was over at mini-Super Tuesday. Then it was certainly over again after Arizona and the western states right?

Nah, it ain't over if he does not win NY. He will walk with a lot of delegates and continue on as he has for the last 5 months.

When every state and every major primary event is THE most important state and the race is still undecided at this point, then none of the states or major primary events are THE most important at all.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
28. Since Hillary is over 200 delegates ahead...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:45 PM
Apr 2016

splitting delegates until June means she just keeps winning until the convention. The Super Delegates are not going to ignore a 200 delegate and a 2,000,000 vote advantage. Especially when the loser hasn't been able to get a majority of Democrats in the primary races he has won.

So, it's done. It has been done for a month. Every primary we pass now just makes it more difficult for Bernie to catch up. If Hillary keeps her lead in the polls this week, she would walk away with a 25-30 delegate lead. That would give her a 245-250 lead.

Today Bernie said he would win NYS and go on to win in Pennsylvania. Maybe he is telling the truth. Luckily, we only have to wait a week to see.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
36. There are no "winner take all" states.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 11:18 PM
Apr 2016

But right now, Sanders needs something close to 58% of the remaining votes to overtake her delegate count. He must start winning big states and winning them big, or there is no plausible path.

ImaPolitico

(150 posts)
17. Woo, Hoo...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:16 PM
Apr 2016

I'm all in for Hillary. She will definatley be the candidate!

B. Sanders has had it easy by not being vetted more than he has been.

1) Sanders' illigitimate son.
2 Bad handling the V. A.
3) Endorsed by the NRA?
4) conscientious objector during Viet Nam war.
5) Wife Jane and the scandal re: college she was head of.
6) Wife, Jane, interviewed on the Rachel Maddow show lying for her husband re: Hillary.

Grandpa Sanders is not the nice man he claims to be. What happened?


oasis

(49,389 posts)
29. Actually Bernie was not a conscientious objector although he applied
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

for c.o. status. Bottom line, he never served in the military.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
7. I tend to agree. Partly because the calendar.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

NY, with its media, gets full attention for over two weeks. No other state votes that day and it is at a critical point in the race. Big delegate count, big name, big diverse population.

I don't think the race will continue through all the states, but the 19th will tell us who the winner will be.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
8. I agree about the importance of New York...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

but as for "Winning with the people who know you best," Hillary is very well known. Bernie may have been born in NY, but most New Yorkers knew little about him until this campaign. He hasn't lived in NY in a long time, nor been involved in NY politics. Some areas of the state do border Vermont, but most people downstate probably don't even know it.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
9. Do the people of one's home state know someone that has been gone ...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:04 PM
Apr 2016

for 40+ years?

I know I've been gone from my home town less than 25 years, and I can count the number of people that "know" me, on one hand.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
16. Most people know Bernie is "from" New York. So that ought to help him. If it doesn't...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

...that's not good, obviously.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
15. I feel the same way
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 07:11 PM
Apr 2016

Psychologically, it will be difficult for either losing campaign to regain momentum after a NY loss. Both candidates are putting it all on the line there and if Hillary loses, it's extremely damaging since she's got a double-digit lead heading in and hasn't had a big win in a while, Bernie will be in big trouble since he needs overwhelming victories from this point forward, losing a big state like NY (where he's got some roots) will be a crushing blow to his candidacy. NY is a big deal, like it or not.

Gothmog

(145,293 posts)
31. New York is a must win for Sanders
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 08:55 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton has such a delegate lead that she could afford to lose NY

brush

(53,785 posts)
34. I would say you're right. And Sanders is going to an obscure academic conference 4 days before . . .
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 09:12 PM
Apr 2016

the most important primary to date, the one that will determine the nomination.

What's up with that?

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