2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNY Daily News, after interviewing both candidates, gives Hillary a STELLAR endorsement.
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This follows the New York Times endorsement in January and is well-timed to impact the primary on the 19th.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/vote-hillary-clinton-article-1.2598171
Daily News Editorial Board says Vote Hillary Clinton: Her plans to give working- and middle-class Americans a fighting chance at rising incomes are far superior to Bernie Sanders'
On April 19, New York Democrats will have unusual say over the partys nominee. They have in Clinton a superprepared warrior realist. They have in opponent Bernie Sanders a fantasist whos at passionate war with reality. By choosing Clinton, Empire State Dems would powerfully signal that the party has gotten real about achieving long-sought goals.
Clinton is unsparingly clear-eyed about whats wrong with America while holding firm to whats right with America.
She fully understands the toll that adverse economic forces have taken on the country.
She is supremely knowledgeable about the powers a President can wield to lift fortunes in need of lifting.
She possesses the strength and the shrewdness to confront the tough politics of advancing an ambitious Democratic agenda in the White House.
Still more, she is a cauldron-tested globalist who had the spine to give Obama a thumbs up for taking out Osama Bin Laden and who is far the wiser about the use of American power, having served as secretary of state and seen the consequences of the war in Iraq.
These truths about Americas most well-known public figure are long past debating among Democrats, above all in New York, the state Clinton represented in the U.S. Senate.
SNIP
Here are the transcripts of the complete interviews with both candidates.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-hillary-clinton-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2596292
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)The contrast is mind-boggling. They actually asked her some tougher questions than they did Sanders, and she knocked them out of the park. Her depth and breadth of knowledge and ability to think on her feet always amazes me.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Just like she'll be in the debate. I'm looking forward to that, too.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I'm gonna be glued to that debate!
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)whatever boost he might have gotten out of the caucus states, with his inane comments on Hillary being unqualified. Halprin thought that really hurt Bernie.
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Daily News Editorial Board says Vote Hillary Clinton: Her plans to give working- and middle-class Americans a fighting chance at rising incomes are far superior to Bernie Sanders'
It's a beautiful thing!
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/vote-hillary-clinton-article-1.2598171
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)peggysue2
(10,832 posts)From the endorsement:
"On April 19, New York Democrats will have unusual say over the partys nominee. They have in Clinton a superprepared warrior realist. They have in opponent Bernie Sanders a fantasist whos at passionate war with reality. By choosing Clinton, Empire State Dems would powerfully signal that the party has gotten real about achieving long-sought goals."
I would have been shocked if this had gone any other way. I've read both interviews and the 'contrast' is stark. But the NYDT nailed it with:
"They have in opponent Bernie Sanders a fantasist whos at passionate war with reality."
Whoosh!
SocialLibFiscalCon
(92 posts)That the owner of the Daily News is a Clinton supporter and donor to the Clinton Foundation, right? Would have been earth shattering if that rag had endorsed anyone but her!
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)given much though to several issues, and more glaringly, he showed himself to be uninformed on his main issue, big banks?
SocialLibFiscalCon
(92 posts)And the Daily News was the one who screwed up by confusing the powers of the Fed vs. the President.
Enough with the gotcha bullshit and ignoring the facts.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)SocialLibFiscalCon
(92 posts)Perhaps you too are ignorant to the difference between the Fed' powers and the powers of the President and Congress?
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)it to much though". I personally like a candidate to know what they are talking about.
Asking how you will implement your plans is NOT a "gotcha" question.
I see that all you have are insults and personal attacks, so, let me leave you with this: The NY Daily news has over two million readers..
SocialLibFiscalCon
(92 posts)They've been written for her by her corporate masters!
SocialLibFiscalCon
(92 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)through his interview in a couple minutes, no need to slow down to understand a complex answer that isn't there.
Now, Hillary's interview I need to schedule time to finish and a calculator to go back and follow the numbers. But then she is a sophisticated and knowledgeable person being interviewed by people who are also sophisticated and knowledgeable about issues. This is how one of these interviews is supposed to go.
SocialLibFiscalCon
(92 posts)Hillary can speak for hours without saying anything of substance.... The mark of a great politician.
Unfortunately, I prefer someone who can speak the truth in far fewer words. Growing up in Brooklyn myself, I have a great bullshit meter. It goes off every time Hillary opens her mouth.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)BreakfastClub
(765 posts)people in the world in terms of her depth and breadth of political knowledge and her understanding of complex issues. I deeply admire her and believe she is a great role model for millions of girls and young women. We need more women like her.
It's depressing to see the attacks against her here. It's just so ridiculous and quite frankly, I find some of it sexist. They didn't attack Obama this way and he had the same set of donors. For some reason, (maybe because he has a penis?), he wasn't called corrupt even though he got just as much or more money from "Wall Street."
Women should take note (especially Bernie Sanders' supporters): Women are held to a different, much higher standard than men, and women need other women to support them if/when they get unfairly held to that standard. Men aren't going to do it. There's a significant percentage of men who simply will not support a woman, and certainly won't vote for one. It's sad.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)it or not.
She's always been held to a different standard.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts)for the same conditions where a man (eg Obama) would continue to be regarded as an inspirational figure, this woman is regarded by some as corrupt. For some people, If the conditions were different they would simply find different reasons to be against her. There are legitimate reasons not to want this candidate, as with ANY candidate. But I agree that there's a double standard.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)are held to a higher standard.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)As a matter of fact, I think electing her will hurt other working class women more. She will means-test our Social Security, kiss Wall Street's ass and send our children to war.
And she's not being held to any higher standard - the race has been thumb-scaled in her favor since day one. She is in no way a role model for my little girl. I don't want my daughter learning that riding your husband's coattails, sucking up to the rich and powerful for donations and running a criminal operation through a foundation are things to aspire to.
As for the OP, it's not surprising. Mort Zuckerman has given her several hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations. Why wouldn't his fish wrap give her an endorsement? Especially since his editorial board doesn't know the difference between the Fed and the Treasury.
quantass
(5,505 posts)she IS corrupt and unprincipled. Open your eyes. Do a little bit of unbiased research. Christ, we have YouTube. I would support Elizabeth Warren in a heart beat if she ran and so would MANY progressives. Sanders is a progressive, principled and THAT is why we support him not bc he has a cock.
A woman in office will make NO DIFFERENCE in office. Mark my words. It is a principled, focused, determined visionary FOR THE PEOPLE who would, man or woman. The corrupting influence of money from those who expect a favorable ROI is the root problem here not gender bias. Ironically, like a magician's act you're being distracted by the hot assistant. Houdini Hillary strikes again.
kaleckim
(651 posts)Was her judgement good in Iraq? How about Syria and Libya? The Ukraine? Haiti? How about Honduras?
A right wing rage, which is owned by a known Clinton (financial) supporter endorses her. Wow.
Do YOU endorse this?
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/13/shes_baldly_lying_dana_frank_responds
SocialLibFiscalCon
(92 posts)Please stop trying to push that nonsense that most men won't support her because she's a woman. It's incredibly dishonest. While there may be a few Neanderthals at the low end of our species who think that way, to paint every man who is against her with that brush is ridiculous.
I would never support her, not because she is a female but because she is the epitome of everything that is wrong with our political system. She is as corrupt as the day is long and is driven by her insatiable desire to be the first female president. That became very obvious when she did not kick her cheating, lying ass husband to the curb after he globally humiliated her with all his philandering. I felt sorry for her then, but any self respecting human without an agenda would have dumped Bill's ass after that. She decided to stick it out to ensure she would be president someday apparently.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)ProudToBeLiberal
(3,964 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)coverage. How quick will the brakes be slammed on that, as we hear the cries of the Daily News tossed under the bus wheels?
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)and completely predictable! Many Sanders supporters are now operating on autopilot. They're like robocalls from hell.
wysi
(1,512 posts)This is a very powerful endorsement indeed.
Jackie Wilson Said
(4,176 posts)Kber
(5,043 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)since DU began.
All of a sudden Bernie's crowd is full of born-again-Pope-fans.
It's been a wonder to see. Truly a miracle.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)So it's strange to see them becoming pseudo-Francis fans. But I'm sure it will wear off, as soon as the primary's over.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)the right thing. Bernie supporters have a nose for this because they too have the moral compass. Not surprising at all actually.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Pope Francis as part of the establishment (among other evils). And if anyone tried to point out something positive Francis was doing to try to change the church, we would be hit with insults slurring all Catholics and the entire Church -- insults that would never be allowed here if they were directed against Muslims or Jews, but were routinely delivered against Catholics.
Until about a week ago -- when Bernie and his supporters suddenly realized some Catholics lived in NYC. Duh.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)There are those within the establishment who truly seek change. Francis is one. I don't know of any Bernie supporter who has ever despised Francis. We may not agree with him on all issues but we know his heart is in the right place when it comes to social and economic justice. Bernie and the Pope, together, could transform the world for the better.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)he's the Pope, AND love Bernie.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)The many Bernie supporters I know personally, all adore Pope Francis, as do I. I'm not Catholic, nor do I affiliate with any organized religion, but I recognize his humanity and sincere devotion to help the poor and socially disadvantaged. Good people are good people. The typical Bernie fan understands this, regardless of a few posts on DU.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)But many of the people here who most strongly support Bernie have done nothing but criticize Catholics and the Pope till now, and have refused to recognize that this Pope might be different.
I don't think they really like Pope Francis even now. This is just for show.
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)gordyfl
(598 posts)Rather than discuss and debate the fundamental premises of the Sanders assault on the billionaire class, Wall Street, runaway inequality and our corrupt campaign finance system, they want to switch the conversation to the details of implementation. Its as if to say, well, we might agree with your visionary proposals if only you could show us the fine print.
This tactical maneuver has one and only one aim to undermine the Sanders campaign regardless of how he responds to their demands for more detail.
Why the subterfuge?
The Daily News and Team Hillary have no interest in taking on the established order, because they are part and parcel of it. However, they also are fearful that the American people are rejecting the Team Hillary vision (or lack thereof), and are flocking to Bernies. So they pick at details they care nothing about.
Thats the old establishment politics, the cynical politics, the kind of politics that tries to undermine the deep felt hopes and dreams of the American people.
Bernie, like FDR, expands our sense of the possible. He asks us to join together to recapture our country from the billionaire class and build a better life for our families and communities.
Bernie has a vision worth fighting for. No one else does including Hillary.
(Full Article)
http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/04/08/ny-daily-news-claims-fdr-unfit-be-president-no-concrete-plans-only-platitudes
k8conant
(3,030 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)bjo59
(1,166 posts)that this publication already knew who it would be endorsing.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)kaleckim
(651 posts)these corporate rags still matter? Should I also give two craps what Time magazine thinks? Is that the same NY Times that helped sell the war in Iraq, which she supported? The same Times that has been a cheerleader for free trade and financial deregulation in the 1990s? I think this shows the generational gap, the fact that her supporters do tend to be older. They place far more importance on these papers than most anyone else does.
By the way, I don't dismiss these corporate rags because they back corrupt candidates like Clinton, someone that won't radically change this corrupt or inequitable system. I don't give a crap what the NYT or NY Daily News says because of people like Chomsky.
For example:
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)No one cares who newspapers endorse and haven't for at least 70 years.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)because they gave both candidates a chance to answer serious questions about serious issues.
And Bernie really fell apart under close questioning.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)she had the endorsement tthe moment she announced her candidacy
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)This has happened in every debate -- Hillary, the admitted wonk, has a far greater command of the facts and the issues. But people kept thinking Bernie would get up to speed. He hasn't.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)In June 2009, the Haitian Parliament unanimously passed a law requiring that the minimum wage be raised to $0.61 an hour, or $5 a day. (The average cost of living is estimated to be the equivalent of about $23 a day.) This pay raise was staunchly opposed by foreign manufacturers who had set up shop in the country, and the United States Department of State and the U.S. Agency for International Development backed those manufacturers. After Haiti's government mandated the raise, the United States aggressively (and successfully) pushed Haiti's president to lower the minimum wage for garment workers to what factory owners were willing to pay: the equivalent of about $0.31 an hour (or $2.50 per eight-hour day).
In 2011, WikiLeaks released a set of previously-secret diplomatic cables. The American publication The Nation partnered with Haitian news organization Haïti Liberté to cover them, finding (among other things) how strongly the United States had opposed the minimum wage hike:
So it's true that the State Department (then led by Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State) strongly opposed a minimum wage increase in Haiti in 2009.
http://www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-suppressed-haitis-minimum-wage/
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)choie
(4,111 posts)What her decisions did to the people of Iraq or Honduras or what her proposed policies would do to the people of Haiti? As long as your DLC Neo con candidate wins..
What an endorsement!
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hellofromreddit
(1,182 posts)Article in a nutshell.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)"Clinton is unsparingly clear-eyed about whats wrong with America while holding firm to whats right with America."
karynnj
(59,504 posts)They are a tabloid ... in fact, they were the tabloid read by Archie Bunker!
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I don't buy the News but I am happy to havd the endorsement and Sanders would have been happy to get it considering he sought it.
karynnj
(59,504 posts)My only surprise is that you ever subscribed to the Daily News. It does have some really startling covers that make everyone walking past the news stands read them.
UtahLib
(3,179 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)... describing why she got my primary vote. Pragmatism is not a dirty word. Nice to see some positivity in what has been a ridiculous sea of unfounded criticism here on DU.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)#whogivesaratsasswhothatfishwrapperendorses?
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workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)KewlKat
(5,624 posts)From the link -
Subjected to meaningful scrutiny for the first time, the senator from Vermont proved utterly unprepared for the Oval Office while confirming that the central thrusts of his campaign are politically impossible.
Which, paradoxically, is good news, because some of the most prominent Sanderisms would likely wreak epic economic damage.
As a basic premise, Sanders calls for enormously expanding the federal governments role in American life, supported by equally huge tax increases most of them falling on the wealthy but also hammering average middle-income earners to the tune of $4,700 a year.
On that score, he assumes that wage earners would happily shell out big bucks year after year because, trust him, health care would be free.
And trust him,
you need to read the rest............
Armstead
(47,803 posts)It's very odd.....The lead in makes Sanders sound like a sunny optimist by comparison.
And then Mortie proceeds to tell us the nation should put someone in who is the embodiment of the status quo.
Although the President acknowledges that the American people have a ways to go, he vastly understates the depth of their slump.
The monthly White House celebrations mask the transformation of the United States into a land of shrinking opportunity for all but the wealthiest and the most highly educated.
Despite the addition of an overly impressive-sounding 14 million jobs and a halving of the unemployment rate over the past six years, American businesses are generating far fewer positions than needed.
Too many are part-time or low-wage. Salaries are largely stagnant. At near-record proportions, millions of American adults have simply checked out of the labor force.
In real and painful terms, families have gotten the shaft. Take the typical household the one whose paychecks are dead center. In 1999, that family pulled in $57,843. By 2014, its income had fallen to $53,657 a real-dollars drop of $4,186 a year that could have been spent for housing, medical bills, college tuition, retirement saving and you name it.
Still worse, the middle class is steadily withering. Four decades ago, the backbone of the U.S.A. commanded almost two-thirds of the national income. Today, it clings to just 43% while the top tier has roared ahead to claiming almost half, along with wealth that is fully seven times larger than the holdings of the entire middle class.
Sum it up: The global financial meltdown of 2008 supercharged trends that continue to degrade standards of living, worsen income inequality and narrow the paths to better. Meanwhile, despite Obamas lets-pretend rituals, Washington has delivered no significant help since the 2009 stimulus, let alone game-changing economic programs.
Blame whomever you like. Blame the President. Blame congressional Republicans. Blame them both. Regardless of where you pin responsibility for Washingtons catastrophic abandonment of the American worker, the nation now reaps the whirlwind in the furies of the 2016 election.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)And he's got the full interviews to prove it.
Bernie's not ready for prime time even after all these months on the campaign trail.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)With a 54 percent unfavorable rating, if she manages to get elected, she will not be able tp govern effectovely.
The GOP will be renergized to block everything she does...and whip up a new plate of "scandals."
And she will not be able to inspire or sell the broader population on much of anything.
I think she'll be lucky to get a Post Office named for George Washington.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)left the rest of their ballot blank. Another 10% voted for a Republican Supreme Court Justice. So a quarter of his "supporters" there don't support other Dems.
He also is raising no money for other Democrats.
So he won't be doing anything to change Congress, and without a progressive Congress he won't accomplish anything but scolding.
And you know as well as I do that Bernie's negatives would be up if the GOP were directing a tenth of the vitriol at him that they've been aiming at Hillary. They turned John Kerry, war hero, into a coward; and they said that Obama was a communist who had been born in Kenya.
By the time they were through with Bernie he wouldn't know what had hit him.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)gordyfl
(598 posts)and the Daily News would STILL endorse her.
choie
(4,111 posts)The paper owned by a Clinton donor endorsed her - what a prize!!!
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)After reading DU for a while, it's easy to think that everyone has lost their minds. Good to see that common sense is still alive somewhere.
gordyfl
(598 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)(actually I wrote better than this in the third grade).
"super prepared warrior realist"????????
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Bernie Sanders speaks to 5 and 10 even 20 thousands of young people promised free college in college towns or right next to city universities. That may fly in tiny states were those crowds make up the entire caucus. We are now at the part of the nominating campaign where yelling and whipping people up won't get you the votes you need to win a state this populated and savvy.
Hillary Clinton is speaking to the nation. And she is getting through to them with intelligence and a working agenda. And she is winning. That is because she is more qualified in every way than Bernie Sanders. I love that the NY Daily News did their homework and made an informed endorsement for the best candidate.
By the way, a half a million copies of this paper were sold to New Yorkers. That means that over a million readers saw the endorsement. This doesn't count on line subscriptions or postings on other web sites, Facebook pages and TV.
SocialLibFiscalCon
(92 posts)Super prepared warrior realist?? Wow that is a steaming pile of horse manure!
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SunSeeker
(51,572 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Cha
(297,317 posts)SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)and she will not
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Time to come clean, Bernie!
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)The owner is a stellar RWer protecting the profits he's made from other people's labor!
He don't want to pay higher taxes to pay for people's education!
He, like DNC and GOP wants people dumbed down, and misinformed.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)...difference between the questions and whether they gave Clinton the questions beforehand. Their "hatchet" interview with Bernie was taken out of context and ran with, without much thought by most. If you really read the transcripts and understood the issue, you wouldn't bend to the will of some journalists opinion, but rather your own. It's sad to see that people have lost the ability to think independently and objectively. Back to the trenches, I suppose.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)in total command of the material.
Unless you're assuming there has been a massive conspiracy of every news outlet -- including questioners at Town Halls -- to feed her questions, it's obvious that she knows the material. This was just one more time to demonstrate it.
And for whatever reason, Bernie really flubbed his chance. He couldn't answer even the most basic questions about his own favorite topics, and how he'd handle the programs and proposals as President.
The mystery is why media outlets have been so easy on him till now.
pantsonfire
(1,306 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 13, 2016, 01:32 PM - Edit history (1)
It's a ridiculous tabloid, its competition is the equally ridiculous New York Post. But hey, any port in a storm.
Here are a few of their journalistic triumphs:
Stay Classy!