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Recidivism Watch: Jane Sanders repeats Bernie Sanderss Four Pinocchio claim that they released full tax returns
We reached out to the Sanders campaign to find out whether any new tax records have been released in the past week, but did not receive a response. The Sanders campaign had told The Washington Post on April 4, 2016, that it has not released other tax returns prior to the 2014 tax summary it released in 2015. We have not found any indication that the campaign has released any new tax returns since then, or that the Sanderses released full tax returns every election.
Its also unclear exactly which election she is referring to when she says, We did when he ran for election. (The campaign did not respond to our inquiry.) . . .
There is one entry from 2014 available for Sanders on the website of the Tax History Project: a Form 1040 (a summary of his federal income tax return) and a one-page Vermont state income tax return. But this is a summary of his tax filing that gives a snapshot of the couples finances, not what is considered a full tax return. Perhaps she is referring to the information filed in his financial disclosures, as required of members of Congress. But as the familys keeper of tax records, she should know thats not the same thing as a full tax return.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/12/recidivism-watch-jane-sanders-repeats-bernie-sanderss-four-pinocchio-claim-that-they-released-full-tax-returns/
Response to BainsBane (Original post)
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BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Go on.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Jane Sanders Interview link here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511708308
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-04-11/with-all-due-respect-04-11-16
CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #3)
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BainsBane
(53,035 posts)while you are inventing shit to distract from his refusal to abide by the most common standards of transparency.
Frankly, it's pathetic and reveals how little you care about transparency or the notion that all people are equal and should be held to the same standards. You're obviously all too comfortable abandoning any pretense of principle in order to promote one man's campaign.
Response to BainsBane (Reply #11)
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BainsBane
(53,035 posts)since he hasn't released anymore than a single year of taxes. Clearly their income is higher than that since Jane has had massive windfalls of hundreds of thousands in particular years. Exactly how much is something the returns reveal.
Opposition to equality absolute gets me worked up. That some are willing to engage in willful fabrication to enforce that societal hierarchy tells me everything about who they are.
Response to BainsBane (Reply #20)
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kristopher
(29,798 posts)Response to kristopher (Reply #42)
jmg257 This message was self-deleted by its author.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)From an heiress from the Walton family. We know about hunks of thousands of dollars donated to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary Clinton was Secretary of State while she's was handing our arms contracts to the countries that made those donations. We know about the uranium deal with Russia while hc was sos giving Russia a huge amount of uranium in Wyoming. All done while hc was Secretary of State and of while receive a huge donation to the Clinton Foundation. We know about the 20 speeches that Hillary Clinton made that earned Hillary Clinton close to a million dollars. Yep, we know about all of that.....what don't we know about?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)thing as "presumed bullshit"?
Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #14)
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COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)to be able to present some facts to back up your assertion. So far you're batting zero.
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COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)things like corruption. If that's the best you can come up with at this stage of the game you really should consider taking a time out until after the Primaries are over. You can bring it up again (and again, and again) while Hillary is decimating Trump in the GE. BTW, did you forget to mention Vince Foster?
Response to COLGATE4 (Reply #24)
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COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)or that it constitutes corruption (or any other legal violation).
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Not millions of dollars in illegal campaign contributions, false claims about not having super pacs, point blank four Pinocchio lies about having released tax full tax returns or denying votes for the minutemen and immunity for gun manufacturers (until he decided talking about it would win the votes of rural conservative Dems and independents)--actual ISSUES facing the American people and some of which Sanders has made central to his campaign.
Links for the above:
http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/02/12/f-e-c-tells-sanders-campaign-that-some-donors-may-have-given-too-much/?_r=4
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/988/201602110300034988/201602110300034988.pdf
https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/02/13/fec-hits-bernie2016-with-campaign-finance-violations/
https://gobling.wordpress.com/2016/03/22/bernie-2016-returns-donations-to-remedy-campaign-finance-issues/
http://time.com/4261350/bernie-sanders-super-pac-alaska-millenials/ http://www.wsj.com/articles/sanders-record-filings-show-benefits-from-super-pacs-links-to-wall-street-donors-1455300881
http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/40/immigration#.Vw1w1E8rKUk
http://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/37/guns#.Vw1w7k8rKUk
Of course why would you care about issues when you're so invested in making sure Clinton doesn't become president. She will be the Democratic nominee, but I imagine that will have no effect whatsoever on your behavior.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Jane Sanders Interview link here: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/trackers/2016-04-11/with-all-due-respect-04-11-16
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)They take their dislike of her as a starting point and then feel entitled to allege, invent, and fabricate in order to promote it. It of course says nothing about Hillary Clinton but everything about them.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Antichrist before these primaries are over.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I expect to see worse. Unfettered white male privilege is on the line here. Absolutely anything goes.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)course. When she wins NY next week I expect to see headx explode.
shadowandblossom
(718 posts).
question everything
(47,486 posts)For your info - the IRS requires tax payers to keep tax records for 7 years. Would be nice if the IRS will go after the Sanders for, for example, unjustified claims of $53 k deductions.
But, perhaps, you are still being claimed on your parents return and don't know the first thing about these rites of passage. Some day you will grow up and learn first hand.
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)Get over it.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)how a law is structured then work to get it changed to something more to your liking. But claiming people following the law are somehow engaged in 'nefarious' activities or worse in doing so is dishonest.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)no sense. If anything, most democratic politicians slightly over-pay taxes to improve their image. (As was the case with Kerry and Gore)
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and NV. I work in a govt office in Utah and see them locating offices here ALL THE TIME. This is nothing. Its a big fat whopping "meh"
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)jmg257
(11,996 posts)in previously unreported payments from foreign governments
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)stashed money in shell corporations?
I'm sorry you are so opposed to philanthropy on issues like climate change, improving home ownership in Detroit, global health, and empowering girls and women around the globe.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)and have no proof. Wow. I'm shocked. Truly.
So much for a campaign about deeply held issues.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)but it is a charitable organization, whose finances are separate from Bill and Hillary.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)that they don't want made public. Something to do with Jane's $200K severance from the college? Who knows? Would be nice to see the returns.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)If one cannot stick to a family budget one should not be entrusted with the budget of United States. I would not be surprised to see the tax returns on Russian and Chinese websites within the next 48 hours.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)If necessary I could probably release my last couple of years taxes within the next hour.....
It's debt that the Sanders don't want to talk about.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)From my phone.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)and even had to change my password because I messed it up and had to reset.
Took me all of 5 minutes, the whole process.
mcar
(42,334 posts)in minutes, even if I've forgotten my password. And if they have their returns only on their home computer, is anyone seriously suggesting that they didn't bring a laptop with them from home? How do they pay their electric bills?
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)You aren't suspicious at ALL, because the baseline numbers have all been released and the numbers aren't big enough for anyone (with any common sense at all) to be "VERY SUSPICIOUS" of anything or even believe that something is "being hidden".
Let's look at his 2014 1040
Senate Salary: $156,441
Taxable Interest: $11
Ordinary Dividends: $2
Social Security: $39,281
Pension (Mayor): $4,982
Jane-Gov't Waste Comm: $4,900
Total Adjusted Gross Income: $205,617
Total Itemized Deductions: $56,377
Total Federal Taxes in 2014: $27,653
My GOD $11 in interest? $2.00 in DIVIDENDS? AGI OF 205K? What must he be hiding?
Here's the sad reality... if you do your own taxes, as they appear to do... "releasing" them isn't as easy as calling your accountant and saying "send me a copy".
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Oh, oh, Janey. You're being vetted. Better get your story straight.
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kristopher
(29,798 posts)JesterCS
(1,827 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)I promised to be concerned about Bernie's tax returns, right after I get those read.
So far, haven't seen them. Perhaps you have some copies you can post.
Thanks for showing a what truly fucking patriotic and "concerned" citizen you are, yet again.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Wall Street contributor, based on speaking fees, charitable donations, and campaign contributions,
As early as 2000, Goldman was the second most generous funderafter Citigroupof Hillary Clintons 2000 Senate campaign, with a contribution of $711,000. "
etc. etc. etc.
Nope, nothing to see here. ALL on the up & up!
IamMab
(1,359 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)... Clintons.
Go figger, eh pal?
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)As much as you think lies and honesty are defined by what you wish to be true, that is not the case. When someone deliberately makes false claims he or she knows to be false, that is a lie. You are faced here with evidence of a lie on Jane and Bernie Sanders part, repeated a number of times. That you don't care is a reflection on your own integrity.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Hillary is a lying liat and they TRUST Bernie.
Sorry your candidate is seen for the dishonest lying liar she is.
mcar
(42,334 posts)How very, ummm, unwise.
fried eggs
(910 posts)about his own tax history?