Friday night epitomizes the very stark (and disturbing) differences between Bernie and Hillary

[CoffeeCat]

This Friday night, Bernie Sanders--along with world leaders, researchers and scientists--will attend the Centesimus Annus at the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences in Vatican City. The event focus will be social and economic justice, as well as environmental issues.

The Chancellor of the Pontifical Academy of Social Sciences has gone on record to say, "It was my idea to invite Bernie Sanders". The Academy issued a press releases about this important event, and Bernie is listed FIRST in the list of participants.

Meanwhile, on Friday night, Hillary Clinton will be attending a fundraiser for her campaign which will cost $354,000 per person, if you want to sit at the head table. Hosted by Sherwin Pishevar, a multimillionaire venture capitalist, the swanky fundraiser will be held at Pishevar's hilltop mansion in San Francisco.

I cannot think of any night in which the heart of both campaigns has been more accurately and brightly on display.

Bernie is for the little guy. His donations average $27. He champions a $15 minimum wage and his rallies focus on the harsh realities of income inequality and the poor being forgotten as the rich have become obscenely rich.

At every rally, Bernie rails against "a corrupt campaign-finance system" that allows "millionaires, billionaires and corporations" to purchase politicians and influence--which has transformed our democracy in into a pay-to-play game in which "We The People" are ignored (unless there is an election and our votes are needed).

Hillary Clinton, on Friday night--surrounded by millionaires, billionaires and those who represent large corporations--will be clinking champagne glasses in the very world that Bernie rallies against. Hillary's Friday night fundraiser, attended by only the rich and the powerful--is an obscene event within an obscene system.

The clear optics of Friday night, should remind this entire country that Hillary Clinton will serve the powerful and the moneyed should she become president; and that Bernie will serve "We The People" and work hard to make their lives better and our system more fair.

Never before have the stark differences between these two campaigns been more obvious and more real.

[LexVegas]

1. The Vatican is a shining example of income equality. nt

[CoffeeCat]

3. The Pope champions the issue of income inequality

and is attempting to draw attention to these issues.

[LexVegas]

5. From the Vatican...a shining example of income equality. nt

[snowy owl]

10. US Congress and the Clintons - shining examples of income equality . . .

[LexVegas]

12. The Congress that Bernie has been in for decades? Or a different, non-establishment one?

[snowy owl]

28. The only one available to an honorable public servant. Did you think there were two?

[CoffeeCat]

19. I figured that one seat at that table on Friday night

would cost an attendee about as much as one of her Goldman Sachs speeches, $354,000!

[krispos42]

80. Like the fundraiser she will be attending?

[CorkySt.Clair]

6. And oppression of women and gays

His 10 minutes right before they break for coffee should be monumental though.

[LexVegas]

7. Its known for lifting the poor of the world out of poverty. Throughout its long history. nt

[Ken Burch]

73. What matters is that Francis supports liberation theology and is doing all he can to change that.

Nobody who supports the Wall Street candidate has any claim to moral superiority on this, btw. You can't claim to care about the poor and support the least progressive person we could go with at this point.

[CoffeeCat]

20. Bernie will be at Vatican City

participating in and discussing income inequality, while Hillary is raising obscene amounts of money and participating in a corrupt system.

And you have the audacity to mock Bernie.

Wow. Just wow.

[CorkySt.Clair]

21. I hope he talks fast!

But I'm sure he has his spiel memorized by now and can edit it down to something approaching tolerable for the attendees.

[passiveporcupine]

43. The conference is not about Bernie,

nor does it revolve around him. He will get more from it (his contact with others there) than he will give. It's an honor that they squeezed him in to share in the "giving".

Go ahead and laugh and mock Bernie. He's a far better person than many people on this forum. He would not do the same to you. He shows respect to everyone he encounters. He would even treat Trump with respect if they were to meet. He is a kind and caring person. I can't understand how so many can hate him so much. Unless it's fear driven...and I'm thinking that is really what is behind the hate.

[CorkySt.Clair]

109. Berners have made the conference all about Bernie.

[passiveporcupine]

123. I'm not so sure you are correct on that

Just did a search on Rome, Vatican, Conference (another search word I forgot) and I looked at just the first three pages of results and this is what I found for threads on this topic.

15.....threads about Bernie going to the conference

2.......initiated by Bernie supporters
12.....initiated by Hillary supporters, all but one bashing Bernie
1.......initiated by someone in the religious group who appears to not be into politics

Oh and I found one more in the search about Hillary Foiundation inviting the Pope to some function and got turned down. I wonder if that has anything at all to do with the number of Bernie Bashers pounding the forum with this topic?

So it seems it's not the Bernie group making this conference about him. It's your team.

[CorkySt.Clair]

124. Good. Then since it's not a big deal, I'm sure it won't be talked about this weekend

Of course nobody's going to see it anyway. Ten minutes before a coffeee break with a 7 hour time difference on a Friday night.

A complete boondoggle.

So maybe you're right. Maybe Clinton supporters should stop talking about it.

[passiveporcupine]

125. I don't know why Clinton supporters are even talking about it.

Great minds discuss ideas;
average minds discuss events;
small minds discuss people.

There are an awful lot of threads on this forum talking about people. From both sides of the democratic camp.

[artislife]

47. Keep it up. Latinos aren't really Catholics

I mean, sure, we do the novinas, the station of the cross and pray to the saints.

Oh lets not forget about Mother Mary. There is ABSOLUTELY no love lost between the Latinos and the Church.

Keep posting!

[CorkySt.Clair]

111. I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

And frankly, I'm not sure you do either. Might be a good time for a break?

[artislife]

114. Your avatar should go viral, too

I mean the adoration of the Pope, the saints and of Jesus means nothing to the Latino population. Nothing at all.

[Peace Patriot]

30. You have no idea what Pope Francis has been up against in changing...

...that Vatican culture, do you?

Either that or you don't care.

He is risking his life. The Italian bankster mafia are not nice people.

I can see you railing against Franklin Delano Roosevelt, because he was wealthy, and ignoring his BETRAYAL of the wealthy class--and that is exactly what they called it, his "betrayal"-- as he worked to save our people from their godawful greed.

Furthermore, you're just shitting on the Vatican because your candidate wasn't invited to their academy to discuss gross inequality and the threats to our soon to be uninhabitable planet. Gee, I wonder why they wouldn't want to hear Clinton's two-faced lies about those issues--how she's gonna "trickle down" the wealth like Ronnie Reagan said, and how she's gonna stop frakking by taking millions of dollars from frakkers.

[Martin Eden]

53. +1

Spot-on take-down.

[Go Vols]

54. +1

[Baobab]

98. Bill and Hillary's WTO made any New Deals impossible! Health care too free education too. THEY HAVE

ALREADY WON, Americans just were never told this so they would keep pressing the button at the crosswalk waiting for a green light that never comes.

meanwhile the Hillaries of the world HAVE ALREADY WON and are whooping it up.

Waiter, more Champagne!

[pantsonfire]

140. +Moral Economics

[ThePhilosopher04]

45. Is that the best you can do? Really?

[artislife]

46. Thank you for your consistent diss of the Church

I know the Latino population loves it.

[CorporatistNation]

86. NOT UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF POPE FRANCIS IT DOESN'T! THE HILLARY EVENT IS A BLACK EYE

ON HER CAMPAIGN AND DEMONSTRATES THE VAST DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATES AS MUCH OR MORE SO THAN THEIR CAMPAIGN. ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS HERE! Hillary cannot say one thing , do another polar opposite of what she tries to say... and get away with it.


Defined as HYPOCRISY!

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

2. She knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.

With a tip of the hat to Oscar Wilde.

[CoffeeCat]

13. The optics of Friday night are going to be tough for the Hillary camp

There will be protesters at this Hillary Clinton fundraiser on Friday night, which will draw more attention to how outrageous Hillary's fundraiser is.

1,500 protesters will be at the front gate. Oh the optics!

[Politicalboi]

127. That is Great!

I'll be watching for it on TV Friday night. Wish I could be there to protest these 1% assholes.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

4. If accurate, it does indeed paint a picture that is undeniable.

The question then is what do we do if Hillary wins?

Clearly she must be supported so our social issues dont get handed over to the bigots, racists and haters.

So how do you influence people like those in the establishment?

One answer is you dont walk away like in 2010, we know how that worked out.

I dont know if there is any hope for our badly broken system which is steeped in corrupt and broken capitalism.

[Fawke Em]

15. Sorry. I disagree.

If she's the nominee, then it's time to realize the Democratic Party is too broken to fix. It may be time to start a People's Party. This country's needed some valid third-parties for some time and this might be the straw that broke the camel's back.

BTW, I've seen more than enough evidence that she isn't very left on social issues, so the election will pretty much be between Republican and Republican Lite.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

18. She is way to the left of the right on social issues and you know it.

Sure, start a 3rd party, but if the GOP takes the WH and they put voter obstruction on steroids, who is gonna vote for that party?

THINK

[cui bono]

35. Only because the GOP is now extreme right and you know it.

She's offered to compromise on a woman's right to choose, a woman's right to control her own body!!!

The Dem Leadership is where Reagan was. Obama described himself as a "moderate Republican". It's not a positive thing to say one is to the left of the GOP at this point. It's still on the right side of the political spectrum for most of her policies, and center at best for the rest.

The Dems are doing a fine job of obstructing democracy and election fraud this primary season as they attempt to make sure the establishment candidate wins, so why do we only worry about the GOP with these things?

You are still playing the game they want you to play, D vs. R, when in fact the real battle is establishment/corporate world vs. the People. The Dem leadership no longer represents the people and this primary is making that very clear. The people are not going to stand for it any more. The Dem Party ignores the movement at their own peril.

.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

37. Uh WAIT a minute!

You are still playing the game they want you to play, D vs. R, when in fact the real battle is establishment/corporate world vs. the People.

Let me clarify something, do you think ANYBODY from the GOP also represents battle of establishment/corporate world vs. the People?

[cui bono]

62. I think pretty much everybody in the GOP represents the establishment/corporate world and worse.

[Go Vols]

55. +1

[artislife]

48. I would love to find a post where you back your declared candidate as much.

But I don't have time to do a deep google search.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

64. yep - and it is just candy for the suckers

she supports all left social issues after they are won

[LondonReign2]

100. Yes, it's the pefection of the Third Way

Make the Democratic candidate slightly more palatable on social issues, which the PTB don't give a flying fuck about, while fully representing the very same economic and foreign policy objectives. The Koch brothers, Lloyd Blankfein, et al. win no matter which party ends up in the White House. And many Democrats go along with this ridiculous choice, which is no choice at all.

[Politicalboi]

129. Voter obstruction

Like the kind Bill did in Ma? I'll take my chance with a third party over Hillary ANY day. Think! Hillary is NOT for the people.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

133. GOP loves you

[CoffeeCat]

135. And the psychopathic corporate establishment

that doesn't give a shit about you or your future--thanks you for justifying their corrupt ploys that will drag the lower 99 percent into the Dark Ages.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

136. If you only knew who you were talking to LOL

Let me try it this way, have you ever heard the phrase "big picture?"

[elleng]

67. Right, Fawke.

[CoffeeCat]

16. I'll tell you what you do

You work like hell to get Bernie Sanders elected.

Make phone calls in New York.

www.berniesanders.com

We've got a long way to go.

It's situations like this that will draw contrast and help us win.

Be positive!

[CharlotteVale]

8. K&R

[morningfog]

9. And they call Bernie a grifter! Millionaire mansion compared to an Annus Party.

[Sky Masterson]

11. All I can say is:

[pdsimdars]

14. One serving God the other mammon*.

*Mammon / m æ m ən / in the New Testament of the Bible means money or material wealth and is associated with the greedy pursuit of gain.

[CorkySt.Clair]

17. Bernie is serving God now?

Wow you folks really are around the bend!

[CoffeeCat]

22. Maybe you should go sit at the card table with the other kids

and allow the big people to finish their adult conversation.

[CorkySt.Clair]

23. Nah, I think I'll stick around

But nice attempt at bullying!

[CoffeeCat]

25. I tried to be nice

You were mocking and laughing. I thought maybe you'd prefer hanging out somewhere else

If you'd like to stick around and continue making a spectacle of yourself while you troll, I guess that's up to you.

[CorkySt.Clair]

26. Thanks.

BTW, what time will Bernie's remarks be carried live in the United States on Friday night?

Or will it be early Saturday morning?

This is a BIG DEAL. So I'm sure it will receive wall to wall coverage on the networks.

[CoffeeCat]

34. You're more optimistic

than I am about this getting a lot of media coverage. I wonder if it will.

That would be pretty cool to see Bernie interviewed in Italy.

It would be interesting to know how the media plans to cover it, if they'll send reporters.

As you pointed out, the time difference is a factor. Italy is 7 hours ahead CST.

[TM99]

126. What time will Hillary's?

Will we have press at that swanky event covering it in all its obscene glory?

[Mother Of Four]

82. Seems to me you're being the bully. n/t

[CorkySt.Clair]

115. I'm sure in your eyes anyone who doesn't worship St. Bernie is a bully.

[Mother Of Four]

121. Whatever you want to believe that gets you through the day. N/T

[TM99]

128. Only bullies

throw around insults like 'worshiping St. Bernie'.

But I doubt you lack the self-awareness to fully grok that.

[CorkySt.Clair]

141. ...

[TM99]

142. Oh, look, aren't you

the cute one.

Sorry, it is a fail though. Calling out your bullying bullshit is not equivalent to bullying. And yet again you prove my point about lack of awareness.

Thanks for playing Corky!

[litlbilly]

119. He is more of a Christian than most Christians, just saying

[seaglass]

24. But you said Hillary was the worst human on the planet so why would anyone but Bernie

fans care what you have to say?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511120869

[JonLeibowitz]

33. Thank you for linking to that and spreading those fine words.

[lunamagica]

81. Look at my signature

Sanders must be an idiot, not being able to realize how evil Hillary Clinton is

[BainsBane]

74. Can you imagine what it takes to invent a claim of a $354k fundraiser?

per person? Do you suppose she actually believes it? I wonder how she came up with that number.
At best that might be the total amount the fundraiser might pull in, if Clinton is lucky. Per person? Seriously. Imagine the level of Clinton derangement it takes to believe or even write something like that?

I'm booking marking this one.

OMG. I just noticed there are 109 recs!!!

[islandmkl]

83. google could be your friend...

the head table on the 15th is apparently limited to couples who donate or raise $353,400...but you could find all that out on your own...

but there is the bargain Clooney event on the 16th at only $33,400 per person for the "Victory Fund"...but you probably know that, too...

denial?...obfuscation?...or just bullshit?...

you make this crap too easy....you are a real valued defender of the faith, i'm sure...

[BainsBane]

91. I did google. It's false

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511719701

The fee is for ONE couple, not several and no more than $2700 per person goes to Clinton herself, which you well know if you read the article. I'll show my work here: 1 George Clooney, 1 table, I donation of $353k, that is if anyone coughs up that amount.
The Hillary Victory fund money goes goes to Democrats around the country, included among them some of Sanders own superdelegates.

Yet she dares to raise money for state Democratic parties, while virtuous Bernie insist on raising money entirely for himself, even as he continues to be cited by the FEC for accepting millions in illegal campaign contributions.
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/988/201602110300034988/201602110300034988.pdf
http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/917/201603319012213917/201603319012213917.pdf
http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00577130/1056008/)
http://docquery.fec.gov/dcdev/fectxt/1056008.txt

Even after all that, there was another citation issued on March 30. http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/542/201603300300040542/201603300300040542.pdf
It truly is astounding that any campaign, let alone one that claims be be running on campaign finance reform, could pay so little attention to following the law.

But who cares about trivial matters such as campaign finance law. Who cares if single donors contribute dozens of $27 dollar checks on a single day, exceeding legal limits. The important point is that no claim denouncing Clinton be questioned, no matter how absurd.

But the OP only got a comma wrong after all, resulting in a number 100 times the actual cost. Insult me because the OP doesn't bother to provide a source, and I dare to ask for one. She should be able to fabricate unobstructed. Why should a little thing like accuracy get in the way of the far more important goal of attacking Clinton?

Easy? I have no doubt this is second nature to you. I ask for evidence, a source, and you accuse ME of operating based on faith. The irony is truly astounding because what you object to my failure to believe, to uncritically accept claims advanced in order to promote a candidate heralded as chosen by God, equated with Jesus. But I dare to question, and that makes me a heretic.

I suggest you try to inform yourself before insulting others for failing to question the gospel of Clinton derangement syndrome. I have no doubt things seem very easy when details and facts are inconsequential. You, however, are wrong. Next time you pretend to be intellectually superior, get your facts straight. Figure out what the hell you're talking about, and try to avoid engaging in such obvious projection.

Now the only question is whether your superior intellect somehow missed the basic math and logic necessary to look the delegate count. polls, and probability spread in upcoming contests, or if you are deliberately enforcing obedience to what ultimately amount to efforts to undermine the Democratic nominee and deliver the election to the GOP. What is clear is that you are out of your depth here.

[islandmkl]

92. the OP mis-stated one thing...the $353+K is for a couple, not per person...

the optics of the two events are what they are...you apparently need to deflect from that one point: the OPTICS...

and, concerning 'obedience'...that is the go-to mode for most HRC supporters here on DU....

your condescension not withstanding, you are the intellectual here of course...almost all keyboard chatters are...or not, but definitely one of the two...

you will no doubt have your way in this primary season, and possibly the general...which merely brings up the question of what that 'way' might be...most likely you prefer the 'Third Way'...

enjoy it while you have it...my limited intellect tells me that the Third Way/old-DLC Democratic Party is going to either find a new home or the progressive movement within the Democratic Party, one that will direct it toward its core principles, will emerge into a true Democratic Party...

Hillary will probably win it all...and the Third Way will have their last victory...

[mcar]

93. +1000

[seaglass]

84. Nevermind you already know that the max for Hillary is 2700 for the primary

and 2700 for GE.

[islandmkl]

88. but oh...the vaunted VICTORY FUND...we know there are no limits there...

and that money is just floating around DWS and the DNC and all the states will 'get theirs' at some point in time...

I am betting that, no matter how the elections turn out, that the Clintons will not be broke campaign-wise after this year's endeavors...

not like 2008 in any way, shape or form...

[Politicalboi]

131. You may be right

But I doubt they'll pay what's owed to states that set up rallies and provide security. Hillary uses tax dollars like it's her own, and doesn't pay it back.

[shadowandblossom]

27. To me it looks like political oppurtunism.

New York is 65% Catholic and he is down in the polls there. Latinos, with whom he doesn't do as well are also often Roman Catholic.

He has gone around telling people the pope invited him, the vatican issued a statement saying he was not invited by the pope.

It is obvious that it's opportunistic, but maybe it will work to his advantage. That is, after all, the point... This doesn't make him a horrible person, just trying to win the campaign he's running.

I could have made the same argument you are for the night when Bernard Sanders was on SNL looking for votes and donations while Hillary Clinton was in Flint Michigan bringing needed PR to them... But I don't think it makes him shallow. It's just if you cherry pick, framing one night out of many, you can make it seem that was as your post tries to.

Another thing about fundraising. As a Clinton voter I'm grateful she does this because I can only donate so much. She has my full support but campaigns are expensive and I'm grateful I don't have to fund it more when I can't afford to.

Another thing about fundraising is that she has passed 18 million to the campaigns of downticket Democrats who would be necessary for Sander's revolution to actually work. They will be necessary to get anything done in government since (Republicans getting elected will obstruct and oppose and strip away our rights at every level...)

[islandmkl]

85. how much of that VF cash, that flows through to the states, and then back...

has ended up back in the states so far?

[shadowandblossom]

138. Is Sanders going to lay down the necessary foundation for his own revolution to happen

Or leave it an impossibility?

[CrowCityDem]

29. Wait...

... the guy who is abandoning the campaign trail right before a crucial primary, so he can hang out with academics at the site of one of the biggest concentrations of wealth in the world, is the one I should admire?

[CoffeeCat]

32. I think Bernie being among world leaders

and accomplished researchers who are dedicated to shaping social policy in ways that help the poor--is very admirable.

The Pope has been widely criticized by Republicans for his liberal views on income inequality and for his advocacy of the less fortunate--which are issues on which most Progressives agree.

I don't think that you have to agree with the Catholic Church on every issue--to understand that fighting for those who are most vulnerable--is indeed admirable.

[LondonReign2]

102. Oooo, those bad "academics". Conservadems kinder, gentler version of

"egg heads". Fuck, you guys are so transparent.

[Lizzie Poppet]

105. Beats "abandoning the campaign trail" to take legal bribes.

So yeah...Bernie's the one you should admire.

[TheProgressive]

31. I would say that Senator Sanders is for *all* the people...

[QC]

36. This is why so many people have been shitting their pantsuits over the Vatican trip.

It's not concern over church/state issues or Secret Service funds or any of that other stuff--it's because they know that this makes Hillary look like a creature of the superwealthy.

[Gwhittey]

44. She is a creature of the superwealthy

So what else is she suppose to look like?

[Hydra]

60. Their super PR is supposed to cover that

I think only a blindfold or a handful of cash can do that now.

[anotherproletariat]

38. There is probably nothing in the world I despise more than the hypocrisy of the Catholic church.

As for fundraising with rich people, I see that as a product of the capitalistic society set up by our founders. Many people see the achievements of our country as boosted by the desire for financial gain. Working within the current system is not a problem for most people, and I applaud Hillary for working hard to run against the repubs and trying to beat them at their own game.

[Tarc]

39. The difference is that only 1 candidate cares about giving a 10-minute speech before coffee time...

...in a vain & transparent attempt to woo Catholic voters, while the other candidate will be raising money to win an election.

I side with the pragmatic one.

[Barack_America]

41. Pragmatic. Is that the new word for corrupt?

I'll have to remember that.

Pragmatic.

A pragmatic Hillary refuses to release transcripts from her Wall Street speeches.

A pragmatic Hillary refuses to support a ban on fracking.


Does sound better than the standard corrupt!

[Tarc]

42. It's the new word for someone who knows how to win, as opposed to the guy who is ducking out

[grasswire]

51. Didn't Hillary lose the presidency previously? nt

[islandmkl]

87. she has won plenty:

*married to a President

*won Wall Street - err, Senator from New York

*won a bunch of primaries (2008) - stop right there

*won the SOS job (somehow)

*won wars in Libya and Syria (claimed - final scores not in yet)

*married to a former President

*won a bunch of Super Delegates' initial support (no scoring involved yet)

*won a bunch of primaries (2016) - so far

well hell...she's a proven WINNER....of something...

but we are trying to find a LEADER and she has no winning history of leadership, let alone vision...

[Politicalboi]

132. Hillary Coattails

It's the ONLY way she gotten this far. When you really look into her life, she's nothing.

[Barack_America]

40. !!!!

Glad you made it into an OP.

[www.ciafront.com]

49. Dishonour and shame

Yes. Dishonour. Shame.

It is dishonourable to take a potshot at somebody like the Pope who is a leader of one of the major demographics on this planet, especially one who is taking the reins in hand in regards to the climate, income inequality, and basic humanity.

It is shameful that people calling themselves "Democratic Party Members" would so quickly forget people like FDR, JFK, RFK, MLK, and Jimmy Carter~ all of whom would have been very happy to have Pope Francis espousing populism and compassionate values, and even happier if a Democrat was invited to speak at a conference regarding what to do about the evils in the world.

THIS is why people are jumping ship from the sinking Democratic Party.

[Uncle Joe]

50. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, CoffeeCat.

[AuntPatsy]

52. It's past time of pretending it will get better if everyone continues to ignore the elephant

in the room....

that said, NO to any GOP present candidate, the fight can and should continue for justice and equality regardless of who is left holding the reigns....

The truth will set you free, or so I was told that many years ago, I was probably lied to.....

[giftedgirl77]

56. So Sander's campaign requests an invite to this conference,

initially he tries to pass it off at a meeting with the Pope, & the people that put the invite forth stated that it would be beneficial to have a US politician to attend & now it's being passed off as some huge success.

Nobody gives 2 shits that Sanders is going to the stupid conference & it could very well have been Paul Ryan attending if he would've asked. Hope he enjoys himself, he's not good in social situations let's hope he doesn't rub any world leaders the wrong way as he has done with his coworkers.

[Karma13612]

79. HE WAS INVITED. eom

[giftedgirl77]

110. His camp solicited the invitation.

Facts are facts tater tot

[Karma13612]

137. He was invited.

several sites, including these

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/bernie-heads-to-the-vatican/477471/

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/08/bernie-sanders-announces-plan-for-speech-at-vatican/

indicate that he did NOT instigate or solicit the invitation.



and I'm not a tater tot

[LondonReign2]

103. It is extremely apparent that many Hillary fans give many, many shits about his trip

[kiva]

108. Not sure what your 'gift' is,

but I'm thinking it's not reading comprehension - too many articles posted here debunking the 'requested and invitation' - or critical thinking.

If you don't think anyone cares about that 'stupid conference' then why do you care if he goes?

[giftedgirl77]

112. Logic & reasoning to start.

something BernieBros are seriously lacking.

[KoKo]

57. Shine a Light on It!

Does seem to be some way out there hypocrisy for those criticizing Sanders for participating in a Vatican sponsored Forum on "Money and Morality" while his opponent attends two High Powered Fund Raisers in CA...where she comes home with bags of cash from those "SHE OWES."

Bernies' OWES his Contributors, also. But, we don't own Mansions in CA, or all over the World, have Celebrity Status, Financial Wall Street Status or the ability to pay Bill, Hillary and Chelsea the enormous "Asking Fees" for every time they walk out of their door to do a Charity Event, College or University Appearance or Show Up for someone else's Celebrity Cause or Investment Extravaganza...where a "portion" goes to do Good in the World and the rest probably ends up, elsewhere.

[workinclasszero]

58. FDR was the scion of a fabulously rich aristocratic family

and the greatest Democrat in history.

Not to mention that Bernie is filthy rich compared to me and most Americans with an ironclad pension and free healthcare for life.

[CoffeeCat]

63. I have no problem with millionaires, billionaires or corporations

The problem isn't the money itself or a person who is wealthy. As you pointed out FDR came from a rich family.

The problems is when our political system is corrupted by money that is used to purchase influence and access to our government.

[RandySF]

59. Is this the point at which I bring up Bernie's rape jokes?

[SoLeftIAmRight]

65. want to make a friendly large bet?

what about the elephant in the room - the one with the blue tutu - on her knees - begging for peanuts

[Admiral Loinpresser]

70. Is this where I mention Hillary suppressing black voters in North Carolina in 2008? n/t

[Lizzie Poppet]

96. "Jokes?" You don't even know what that flap is actually about, so you?

Ratfucking 101: do your goddamn homework so you don't sound like a transparent, ill=prepared tool.

[TBF]

61. K&R nt

[elleng]

66. Thanks, CoffeeCat.

[Joob]

68. Thanks CoffeCat, side note I found this site a while back because of you

when I was looking into what happened with one of the states that voted. It was something about people telling them to leave before the voting process was done and you guys were there all day. So thanks for that too.

[Onlooker]

69. Does Bernie legitimize a homophobic, sexist institution by his participation? n/t

[Admiral Loinpresser]

71. Does Hillary legitimize the USA- a racist institution? n/t

[BainsBane]

75. Are you suggesting Bernie isn't American?

How would Clinton "legitimize" the USA but Bernie wouldn't?

[Admiral Loinpresser]

90. I'm suggesting Hillary is an institutional racist.

And I am further suggesting that Bernie is not.

[BainsBane]

72. 354K per person?

Jesus. What garbage. No body is paying that amount of money to any candidate. No source, just pure invention.

I will give you this much. Friday does represent the differences between the campaign, not because of your obviously absurd price tag for a fundraiser, but because Bernie is leaving the country before the NY primary, which candidates only do when they know they don't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning. He claimed he was going to see the pope, but instead he's going to an academic conference. He obviously had no idea what he was invited to attend, since his statements to the press differed dramatically from what the event actually was. The whole thing was a disaster, so much so that Weaver is making Mark Penn look like a genius, and Penn was an exceptionally bad campaign manager. Meanwhile, Tad Devine tried to keep himself out of the mess by claiming he knew nothing about it. I suppose Devine is hoping that a Democrat might hire him at some point in the future, while Weaver's only prospects at this point are with particularly desperate Republicans.

If Clinton is in fact at a fundraiser Friday evening, it will be one that conforms with the law. Unlike Bernie, she hasn't been cited four times by the FEC for what amounts to well over a thousand illegal campaign donations. His campaign was sent yet another letter on March 30. http://docquery.fec.gov/pdf/542/201603300300040542/201603300300040542.pdf
This is the third such letter in 40 days, whereas his authorized pac had a violation last year for failing to file any paperwork at all for that quarter. One of the letters listed dozens of $27 donations by same individuals on a single day, as a means of presenting a false image of small donations when the totals actually exceeded legal limits. Yet you still go on about that $27 number. When donors really give small donations, they give in different amounts. I for example have an auto-donation of $15 a month but have been giving additional $25 and $38 dollar donations when I can. Sometimes I give $10. Once I even gave $50. The $27 number is cute and all, but that's not how people really typically give.

To summarize the contrast: Hillary winning NY; Bernie leaving the country. Hillary obeying campaign finance laws; Bernie cited yet again for even more illegal donations. And lastly, Bernie supporter making up truly unbelievable claims of $354k plate fundraising dinners. It would be funny, except you actually believe it and you even expect others to do so. Do you really think if she could raise that much money that Bernie would be out spending her by such huge margins?

[CoffeeCat]

116. You are not a serious person. But you sure have a lot to say.

CLEARY stated in my OP, "Meanwhile on Friday night, Clinton will be attending a fundraiser for her campaign which will cost $354,000, if you want to sit at the head table."

This is sourced all over the Internet. It is fact. "For two seats at the head table with Clinton, George Clooney and his wife, attorney Amal Clooney, at an April 15 fundraiser, a couple must contribute or raise a whopping $353,400 — a huge ticket price for a hard-dollar fundraiser.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/hillary-clinton-george-clooney-fundraiser-221207#ixzz45mrc9BCR

Not only did you fail reading comprehension, you spent a crazy amount of time attacking me for stating a fact that has been widely reported.

So, you were wrong when you said, "No body is paying that amount of money to any candidate." (Yes. They are. See Internet)

Big-time wrong when you wrote: "No source, just pure invention." (Source cited. Dozens of others. Google)

Wrong with sprinkles on top, "And lastly, Bernie supporter making up truly unbelievable claims of $354k plate fundraising dinners."

Wrong with dramatic flourishes, "It would be funny, except you actually believe it and you even expect others to do so."

[BainsBane]

76. Where did you get the $354k per person figure?

How do you come up with this stuff?

[CoffeeCat]

118. There's this thing called the Interet. There are articles there.

Headline: Clinton asks for $353K to sit with the Clooneys

For two seats at the head table with Clinton, George Clooney and his wife, attorney Amal Clooney, at an April 15 fundraiser, a couple must contribute or raise a whopping $353,400 — a huge ticket price for a hard-dollar fundraiser.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/hillary-clinton-george-clooney-fundraiser-221207#ixzz45mwWDaLK

Boatloads of other links available about this Friday fundraiser.

[BainsBane]

77. It's $33,400 and it's not for Clinton's campaign or a superpac

Here is an article.

The Bay Area fundraiser, hosted at the home of venture capitalist Shervin Pishevar, is one of two events starring the Clooneys. On April 16, Clinton and the Clooneys will reunite at the Clooney Los Angeles mansion, where tickets cost $33,400 per person to dine at the table with one of Hollywood’s most glamorous couples.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/hillary-clinton-george-clooney-fundraiser-221207#ixzz45hKNYje3
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The legal limit for the candidate is $2700. The figure of $353k is to sit with George Clooney. That money doesn't go to Clinton's campaign or a super pac. It does to the Clinton Victory Fund. That fund supporters Democrats in states across the country. All donations within the fund are still subject to campaign limits but there are so many more recipients that the fund can accept much larger combined amounts. Clinton can accept $2700 of that amount. The rest goes to other candidates and state parties.

In addition to Hillary for America, which is Clinton’s main campaign committee, the Hillary Victory Fund also includes the Democratic National Committee and 32 state party committees.
The maximum donation to the DNC is $33,400 a year, while the state parties each can accept donations of $10,000 a year into their federal accounts.
Clinton’s typical, non-A-list-actor fundraisers for the primary require hosts to raise $10,000 to $50,000. A fundraiser last week at the home of best-selling author John Grisham in Virginia, for instance, required co-hosts to raise $10,000.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/hillary-clinton-george-clooney-fundraiser-221207#ixzz45hICJhoD
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The MN Democratic Farmer Labor Party is included in that fund. Three of the four Democratic congresspeople in the state endorsed Sanders, but that money Clinton is raising will still go to them, especially Chris Nolan in the Arrowhead region who will face a tight race with the GOP. So you keep attacking Hillary's efforts to raise money for the Democratic Party, including Bernie's superdelegates.
Makes perfect sense.

[quantass]

78. +1

[islandmkl]

89. K&R...while i'm at it

[Lizzie Poppet]

94. LOL! 93 replies as I write this; I can see 31 of 'em.

Now I know which thread Princess Weathervane's Ostrich Army is hanging out in. I can't see the posts, but their tears over the optics Friday are simply delicious.

[Trajan]

104. Counting the post after yours - I see 32

It's like we have exactly the same ignore list ...

Goes with the territory, I suppose ...

[Baobab]

95. We cannot sit at that table, we are ON it being carved up- we are the meal.

nt

[asuhornets]

97. He invited himself....

Carry on..

[TheSarcastinator]

117. yes, the Vatican BOWS to Bernie!

Is he a mind-controlling wizard? Does he have blackmail info? Inquiring minds want to know!

[CoffeeCat]

122. Bernie used the same mind-control techniques on the Pope

that he used on that bird.

Obviously.

[George II]

99. Along with "world leaders"? The only "world leaders" will be...

...two Presidents from small South American countries - Ecuador and Bolivia.

[RandySF]

101. Who wouldn't accept an expenses-paid trip to Rome?

[Punkingal]

106. All these "concern" threads about Bernie's trip to the Vatican are disgusting, too.

I saw one yesterday about Bernie supporters are "concerned" about him leaving NY at such a critical time. Haven't seen any about her going to the CA for that big fundraiser. Hypocrisy is alive and well here, and in the MSM. You are absolutely correct...this shows the stark differences between the two campaigns as nothing else has.

[disillusioned73]

107. K&R..

and "ignore" function is fantastic..

[pdsimdars]

113. We all choose the side we fight for --- God or mammon*

*Mammon / m æ m on / in the New Testament of the Bible means money or material wealth and is associated with the greedy pursuit of gain.

Clear as that.

[litlbilly]

120. Im only seeing 36 of the 119 replies. I do love that ignore button:)

[Blue_Tires]

130. Oh, so one cherry-picked day from their schedules is supposed to define them?

This is the point where I'd point out that unlike Bernie, Hillary's fundraisers help support down-ticket Dem candidates... But nobody here would give a shit...

[randome]

134. What was Clinton doing when The Bird selected Bernie??

WHY DOES SHE HATE BIRDS???!!!
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