Are Hillary's supporters here prepared for a Republican White House,

[closeupready]

should their favored candidate win the nomination? I certainly hope so, but if not, know that you can always come to DU to complain about Bernie Sanders not supporting her earlier on, BECAUSE SEXISM, "there is a vast right-wing conspiracy", etc.

[metroins]

1. Hillary will destroy Trump

We really need to focus on taking back the Senate and making headwinds in the House.

[IamMab]

8. Saw a GOP operative quoted yesterday saying, "She could beat him from jail." nt

[Fawke Em]

15. She might have to.

#FBIPrimary

[TBF]

39. ...

[2banon]

90. me too

[BigDemVoter]

53. Somebody has been watching too many "episodes" of Fox News or maybe "Morning Ho"?

[Katashi_itto]

20. Depends which jail she will be doing from.

[firebrand80]

2. Sad when all you have to hope for is a Hillary loss nt

[closeupready]

11. It's reality, not "hope".

[Beacool]

32. It's not reality, it's your assumption and it's not based on facts.

[closeupready]

33. Except for one thing - Hillary is the most unpopular candidate

since Michael Dukakis. So yeah, there's that minor point...

[Lil Missy]

37. And yet Bernie can't beat her. n/t

[closeupready]

38. Correct if you are referring to one race of the last 8 races.

[mythology]

41. You snicker

But Sanders Is pretty badly losing the race. It looks a little silly to be laughing.

[1StrongBlackMan]

69. Or, the if you ignore ...

the previous 21 out of 31 primaries/caucuses and the 2.4+ Million more popular votes.

[RKP5637]

61. IMO if HRC is the nominee it's going to be very very close. Michael Dukakis,

Hillary to put a helmet on and ride in a tank for a photo-op!

[BreakfastClub]

50. I guess they have to keep hope alive somehow, but it is sad to me too. nt

[NorthCarolina]

85. Tell me, what is her support outside the Democratic Party? Independents?

Any Republicans for Hillary groups out there?

She barely garners a majority of support in the Democratic party, if she even truly has that which I doubt, and her potential for drawing support from outside the Democratic party in the GE is simply a pipe dream...there IS no potential there. Her national favorability rating is completely upside down, and she has no enthusiasm surrounding her campaign.

[geek tragedy]

3. that's not why people are supporting her. nt

[fun n serious]

4. Gerneral election polls

are not valid yet. Sanders would lose to Trump. Trump currently has more votes AND many Hillary supporters won't vote should Sanders be the Nominee. I myself am waiting to see if I will vote for Sanders OR see who the republicans will run.. My choice is not Sanders vs a republican. My choice is the most honest and Sanders has been against democrats

[lagomorph777]

6. That's a nice little fantasy.

But out here in the Reality Based Community, the pattern is clear, consistent, and strong: Bernie can massively wallop Trump, and easily beat either of the other two GOP candidates. Hillary could squeak out a win over Trump, and would lose to either of the others. I don't like those odds.

[fun n serious]

10. GE polls are not valid yet...

Sanders has not been honest lately. TRUMP does in fact have more votes.

[obamneycare]

57. "mid-April polls have correctly ‘called’ the winner in about two-thirds of the cases since 1952"

Clinton supporters say that general election polling isn’t accurate in April. Unfortunately, we know from hard data that that’s not correct. In fact, according to studies, we’re right in the middle of a spike in general-election polling accuracy — right now, as in this minute. As Vox notes, “By the time we get to mid-April of an election year, polls explain about half the variance in the eventual vote split. And mid-April polls have correctly ‘called’ the winner in about two-thirds of the cases since 1952.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/the-democrats-10-point-plan-lose-election_b_9605608.html

[fun n serious]

59. This year the polls have been way off..

I don't trust Huffington Post and won't read them anymore..

[lagomorph777]

97. Yeah, stay inside the bubble until it pops

You'll have more fun until it gets serious.

[upaloopa]

5. Another when did you stop beating your wife or husband OP

[Agnosticsherbet]

7. No, people will turn out and vote for Clinton in November.

Those that don't are either Republicans or don't give a damn who is in charge.

I think we are on good ground.

[awake]

21. I just read your post as "No people will .. Vote for Clinton"

While I know that people will vote for her I feel more will show up and vote for Bernie which will give us a better chance of winning back the Senate. Also much less will be voting against Bernie, on the other hand I think we will see tons of Hillary haters showing to vote to defeat her if she ends up as our candidate.

I know that few on this site who have backed one or the other person will change their mind at this point, I would hope that we could start presenting the positive aspects of what our party can do to win the down ticket races this fall.

[Agnosticsherbet]

45. There is a comma after "No." No answered the OP.

After that coma I expanded on the answer.

Clinton will win the nomination and th e General Election because people lie her.

[awake]

73. Yes I am aware of the comma

I found it funny that as I scanned down the list of posts at 1st I missed the comma so I read it as "No people will voter for ....." Ether Hillary or Bernie will win the nomination, Bernie's chances are slim but I never thought he would take off like he has, so I have not given up on him.

My question is what positive thing can be done to help win back the Senate and get more seats in the House.

[Agnosticsherbet]

88. By the voters? We need to find out who is running and reach out to friends in their states.

Some might consider this heresy, but as long as a Senator is a Democrat we should work to get that Senator elected. The Senate is controlled by the majority party. If Democrats control the majority, they will support a Democratic President's agenda and fight the legislative Agenda set by the house of Representatives.

The Presidential Candidates and their campaigns can raise money for Senatorial Candidates, and once we have a nominee, set a national agenda.

Finally, we should go to work with our local Democratic Party to Get Out the Vote.

For years, I have reached out to older Democrats and other to get them to the polls. This year, I have become acquainted with a number of citizens who did not intend to vote. I am having an election party for people who can show they voted.

[awake]

89. Good

Let's hope that the implosion of the Republican Party continues and we can paint the country blue from coast to coast.

[Avalux]

36. So you are part of the "win at all costs" crowd?

I wouldn't be so sure you're on firm footing. Hubris has a way of biting you in the ass.

[Agnosticsherbet]

46. Look up the meaning of hubris.

It does not fit in your sentence.

Clinton will win a majority of those who participate. Those who don't participate don't care. That's OK, because we participants will vote to elect the best possible government.

[smiley]

49. google is your friend.

hu·bris
Definition - excessive pride or self-confidence.

"Your excessive pride and self-confidence may end up costing you the election."

Seems to fit pretty well IMO.


https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=hubris

[Agnosticsherbet]

52. There is no excessive pride on my stand. You used it

Wrong.

[smiley]

60. I'm not the one who originally used the word HUBRIS

I simply pointed out that I believed the poster was using the word in it's proper context. Which they were, according to it's definition. Whether you were presenting hubris is beside the point.

But I personally feel both of your statements reflect a certain amount of hubris.

No, people will turn out and vote for Clinton in November.

Those that don't are either Republicans or don't give a damn who is in charge.

I think we are on good ground.

Clinton will win the nomination and th e General Election because people lie her

I don't fault you for these statements. I feel the exact same way about Bernie.

[giftedgirl77]

9. Well considering the loss would be because BernieBros

decide to stay at home & pout. I would say your poutrage is misdirected.

[kracer20]

13. I agree the OP is sucky

But comments like this DO NOT help either side.

[giftedgirl77]

22. OPs like this deserve nothing but to have their bullshit thrown back

in their faces.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

54. Agreed.

[Fawke Em]

18. We won't be staying home.

But, given a choice between Republican and Republican Lite, guess who the electorate will choose?

Hint: it won't be Clinton.

[giftedgirl77]

25. That's logical.

vote for the next grand dragon. Typical white privilege at it's finest.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. ...

[mythology]

43. So given that Clinton and Sanders voted the same 93% of the time

Does that make Sanders a slightly lighter Republican? Your underlying assumption is silly.

[giftedgirl77]

58. Hyperbole & jibberish is all they have.

[wendylaroux]

77. what's a Berniebro?

[JoePhilly]

12. She'll win and piss off the "busters".

I doubt they'll be able to handle it.

[JimDandy]

80. Actually, they've clearly choosen a way to handle it, should Clinton win. n/t

[oasis]

14. Are Bernie supporters prepared to endure two decades of SCOTUS rulings

when a Republican president appoints three ultra right justices during his four year term?

[Fawke Em]

16. When Democrats are giving us Merrick Garland, what's the difference?

[oasis]

23. He's a vast improvement from Scalia. Three GOP picks would be

far worse.

[RKP5637]

64. Yep, three GOP picks would put the final nail in the coffin for a US democracy. n/t

[oasis]

66. Citizens United, Voting rights, women's health issues. All at risk.

Get out the vote.

[RKP5637]

68. K&R !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[SDJay]

70. I Totally Agree With This

and it's one of the many reasons I'd happily vote for HRC in the GE even though I do support SBS.

That said, what kind of picks do you think President HRC would make? I would expect more centrists like what we saw from President Obama. As you said, way, WAY better than the alternative but I guess I'm saying I don't think the USSC would take a big turn to the left under HRC. Instead, it would avoid falling further into the shit-pit that is the right.

[oasis]

71. Women's organizations have overwhelmingly endorsed Hillary.

Hill would make sure to nominate justices who were pro choice.

[SDJay]

72. Oh, I Know Choice Would Be Safe...

and that's obviously a big deal. I'm just wondering about the overall ideological landscape of the SC under HRC.

I guess that's getting ahead of things. If Drumpf won, we'd be looking at Omarosa, Sarah Palin and Kid Rock as the new SC judges, and that's probably not that far off. He'd probably have a reality show to determine who gets nominated.

[oasis]

78. There have been some disappointments on both sides because

it's been hard to gauge how a Supreme Court judge will evolve over a lengthy term on the bench.

[RKP5637]

62. For me, I don't care who wins as long as it's a democrat in the WH 2016. n/t

[oasis]

65. That's the spirit. Real Democrats share your sentiments. (eom)

[RKP5637]

67. Yep, we all have to bond together and remember what the objective is! n/t

[quickesst]

17. We won't have to worry about that...

... despite Bernie's supporters attempts help him out.

[sadoldgirl]

19. It's too early to judge, but my gut feeling is

that there will be a Ryan/Kasich ticket to beat.

If so, both of our candidates would have a mountain to
climb, because it might unite the repugs, who are only too
eager to regain the WH.

[HughLefty1]

40. Will make it easier to beat them..

Repugs will stay home in November if GOP elite mobsters steal the nom from the delegate frontrunner. The DLC is awful but GOP is even worse. The superdelegate situation is unfair but what they did in Colorado over the weekend is crazy.

[JimDandy]

82. Ryan's news conference today belies that scenario. n/t

[HillareeeHillaraah]

91. Ryan announced today

He absolutely won't accept the nomination if offered.

Just sayin'

[SFnomad]

24. That BS cheerleaders would rather see Trump in the White House over Clinton speaks volumes n/t

[pdsimdars]

26. Doesn't anyone have better things to do than engage in the stupid arguments?

THIS is not the time for that. THIS is the primary where we should be talking about our candidates and thier positions on issues so that we can decide who is the best fit.

LATER when our nominee is chosen, THAT is when to talk about supporting our nominee.

I don't think any of the people who constantly bring up this same tired issue are really concerned with where they stand on the issues, they are too fixated on thier candidate. To me, that says you really can't defend your candidate on their positions. Period.

[anotherproletariat]

27. It's all perspective, I guess...I often ask if Sanders supporters are prepared for a repub president

Since he would be torn apart by the right-wing machine if he should get the nomination. They've taken their best shots at Hillary for over 20 years, and she's shown that she can remain viable. I can't even imagine what they would do with a socialist, old, agnostic, tax and spend, pro-pot, far-left candidate. It would be horrible to watch that unfold.

These are all traits, by the way, that I find acceptable in a candidate, but have made the deliberate decision that the general electorate will not view him as kindly.

[Beacool]

28. I guess the fact that according to the polls she would defeat him is irrelevant to you.

[closeupready]

31. It may be a fact in that alernate reality you inhabit, but back on Earth,

it's a proven falsehood.

[Beacool]

34. No, it's not.

The nonsense in your OP is the alternate reality that some of you Sanders' supporters live in. She will win against Trump. To the chagrin of some of you.....

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

[Renew Deal]

29. Is that a threat?

[closeupready]

35. See Post #6. Thanks.

[Tarc]

30. The petulant Sanders crowd at the DU is not an example of Sanders voters in general

The majority of them will vote for Clinton in the fall, I have no doubt.

Between that and Trrump/Cruz mobilizing every person of color in the country against them, this will be a landslide.

Thanks for your "concern", though.

[JoePhilly]

93. + 1

[B Calm]

44. Hillary needs to drop out so the party can unite behind a liberal candidate!

[hack89]

47. You can't wait, can you?

you have enough privilege to do well in a Repuke administration so you are going to sit back and do nothing just for the pleasure of saying "I told you so."

[seabeyond]

48. This is all you have?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. Even if she wins

there will be a Republican White House, more or less.

[MFM008]

55. Heres my prediction

Trump loses 30 some states including 3 southern states.
half of Republican women go for HRC.
She wins the POC vote by over 60 %
75 percent of women.
Trump wins disgruntled fat white guy/women living in their basement (man cave) vote.

[itsrobert]

56. It will be over soon. Take a nap.

[WhiteTara]

63. Are Bernie's supporters here prepared for a Republican White House?

Let's all work to win the general.

[pdsimdars]

74. Well, YES.

If she is the nominee and loses, then we have a Republican WH.
If she is the nominee and wins, then we have a Republican WH.

The only way we get a REAL Democratic WH is for Bernie to be the nominee.

Simple logic, my friend.

[wendylaroux]

84. Correct.

[closeupready]

87. Well yes there's that, good point.

[Attorney in Texas]

75. Prepared for? They are fucking well voting for a Republican White House

[workinclasszero]

76. That will only happen if Bernie is running against Trump

Thankfully, thats not going to happen and Hillary will be our next President!

[MariaThinks]

79. no, that's why we will support the democratic nominee and support both hillary and bernie

[Generic Brad]

81. Comedy gold!

The Republicans are going to be trounced like they have never been trounced regardless of who our candidate is.

[BainsBane]

83. Give it up

If you want to support Trump or Cruz, just support them. Knock off the threats. How is it that you all are willing to do anything except work on turning out the vote for your candidate?

Bernie can't win the GE because he can't win the nomination. It's really not that complicated. And yes, a number of men will vote for the GOP because they don't want a woman president. Just as a number of women will vote Democrat because they don't want to see being a woman criminalized or have their rights stripped away. But guess what? No one, absent those really hoping for a Trump presidency or furious because the electorate didn't vote for Bernie, thinks the GOP will beat Clinton. The GOP doesn't think they will win. At this point their concern is about how badly they will be hurt down ballot.

What is it exactly that pisses you off so much? That women dare to question sexism and patriarchy rather than staying in their place? That anyone dares support Hillary rather than Bernie? The fact is Bernie is losing. He's not going to win, and Hillary will be the nominee. You are simply going to have to deal with that fact.

[RandySF]

86. Yeah, that was coherent

[HooptieWagon]

92. Republican or Republican-Lite...

I'm sure they're happy either way, just like Lloyd Blankfein.

[Umbral18]

94. Would Hillary's support be able to tell the difference? nt

[Betty Karlson]

95. They are mostly privileged to the point of not feeling GOP policies, I guess.

status quo does anything to perpetuate itself, even if that means risking 99% of the future.

[closeupready]

96. Yes. This is why they chuckle about legalized bribery and corruption.

While they are unlikely to be doing it, they probably are financially well-situated so that either a GOP or Hillary presidency would serve them well.