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Csainvestor

(388 posts)
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:29 PM Apr 2016

Elected super delegates should follow the will of the state

For example, the sitting governor and senators in WA state have pledged their super delegate votes to Hillary even though the people overwhelmingly choose to back Bernie.

The elected WA super delegates are defying the will of the voters in their own state. Why should a WA super delegate pick Hillary over Bernie, and use the vote in mississippi as an excuse for supporting Hillary over Bernie?

Now there are also super delegates that are not in office, people like lobbyist Howard Dean, and a bunch of other corporate lobbyists that have super delegate votes. I would argue unelected super delegates might have a reason to vote independently.

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Elected super delegates should follow the will of the state (Original Post) Csainvestor Apr 2016 OP
Change the rules. As it stands, the supers are doing precisely what they were designed to do. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #1
there are no rules Csainvestor Apr 2016 #3
Your ignorance of the rules does not mean the rules do not exist. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #7
Nope. It is a two part delegate awarding system and it works just fine. Lucinda Apr 2016 #2
Change the rules when they don't help your man. Ok. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #4
The folks voting for Bernie in caucuses don't even make a fraction of the people in the states. upaloopa Apr 2016 #5
why should a superdelegate governor in colorado or washington Csainvestor Apr 2016 #18
The ones in office? Work to ensure that "in office" part becomes past tense. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #6
oh they are. Csainvestor Apr 2016 #9
Good. I'll be watching from across the river. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #10
They should vote for the pledged delegate leader KingFlorez Apr 2016 #8
she has hundreds of super delegates, bernie has 30 something Csainvestor Apr 2016 #12
If you want that, work to eliminate super deligates Travis_0004 Apr 2016 #11
I agree. Supers can negate the will of the majority of people in their state. Vinca Apr 2016 #13
1 person, 1 vote JesterCS Apr 2016 #14
But what about the unfairness of Blue States getting more delegates? brooklynite Apr 2016 #16
Funny, Bernie Sanders isn't saying that... brooklynite Apr 2016 #15
I'm a Washingtonian and have told our SuperDelegates, that my vote depends on their votes. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #17

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
3. there are no rules
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:35 PM
Apr 2016

They never should have all supported Hillary, and stubbornly refused to change even after she lost their homestates.

superdelegates should have vigorously defied the will of the voters in their home states.

it's going to get ugly with the super delegates, especially in states like WA.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
7. Your ignorance of the rules does not mean the rules do not exist.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:39 PM
Apr 2016

You might look up the definition of "object permanence." That will help define your problem.

Then, read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superdelegate

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
2. Nope. It is a two part delegate awarding system and it works just fine.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:34 PM
Apr 2016

If you don't like it, get active in your state and work to change it.

upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
5. The folks voting for Bernie in caucuses don't even make a fraction of the people in the states.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:36 PM
Apr 2016

They don't represent the will of the people.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
18. why should a superdelegate governor in colorado or washington
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:56 PM
Apr 2016

give a damn how the people voted in mississippi or alabama? the voters in their home states voted overwhelmingly to support Bernie. They should follow the will of the state that they represent.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
6. The ones in office? Work to ensure that "in office" part becomes past tense.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:37 PM
Apr 2016

Kate Brown (Oregon governor and Hillary superelegate) has endorsed Hillary and stated that regardless of the primary outcome, that won't change.

Yes, I'll be doing my damnedest to see she loses her bid to keep the office she inherited.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
9. oh they are.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:41 PM
Apr 2016

WA state is about to rebell against the elected super delegates that still back Hillary.

Watch what happens in WA state in the next few weeks.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
10. Good. I'll be watching from across the river.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:43 PM
Apr 2016

I suspect there will be a lot of similar work to do down here in Oregon.

KingFlorez

(12,689 posts)
8. They should vote for the pledged delegate leader
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:40 PM
Apr 2016

And just to be fair, there are super delegates for Sanders in states that Clinton won. Alan Grayson has pledged to support Sanders even though Florida voted for Clinton by well of 60% of the vote.

Csainvestor

(388 posts)
12. she has hundreds of super delegates, bernie has 30 something
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:46 PM
Apr 2016

Last edited Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:51 PM - Edit history (1)

In the states that Bernie won, the super delegates should be backing him, and the states that hillary won should do the same.

But an elected official in colorado should not look at the popular vote in South Carolina to see who they should support. They should look to how the voters in their own home state decided to vote.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
11. If you want that, work to eliminate super deligates
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:45 PM
Apr 2016

Which Im in favor of.

But the super deligates were designed to give certain members and independent vote. So they are free to vote however they want.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
13. I agree. Supers can negate the will of the majority of people in their state.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 12:58 PM
Apr 2016

If the party wants the elites to be the deciders, just gather them in a room, feed them a few cocktails and vote for the nominee. Don't inconvenience people who stand in line for hours to vote in a primary if those votes don't really matter.

JesterCS

(1,827 posts)
14. 1 person, 1 vote
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:08 PM
Apr 2016

Just a general election, no supers, no pre-endorsements. Will of the People should be the law

If Sanders wins 80%, he should get 80% of delegates ex: ALASKA

brooklynite

(94,592 posts)
16. But what about the unfairness of Blue States getting more delegates?
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

I mean, just because they go around voting Democratic each election, who do they think they are?

brooklynite

(94,592 posts)
15. Funny, Bernie Sanders isn't saying that...
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe you folks should get together and come up with a common message?

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
17. I'm a Washingtonian and have told our SuperDelegates, that my vote depends on their votes.
Tue Apr 12, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

When they're up for reelection.

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