New York IS NOT Hillary's home state....that'd be Illinois (Which she barely won, BTW).

[Bubzer]

She may have been a senator for New York, but it IS Bernie's home state.

Just a point of clarification.

[ViseGrip]

1. True, he was born and raised there, like I was in Michigan until I moved to NYC at 21.

But my hometown, when asked, is Detroit, MI.

[Bubzer]

2. Bernie will have the home field advantage in New York.

[anotherproletariat]

7. Yup...they seem to love him there, judging from the polls. nt

[Bubzer]

24. It's a good thing polls have never been wrong before... oh wait...

[CoffeeCat]

30. Bernie was behind by 40 in New York

and many of you were posting polls that had him down 20, just two weeks ago.

I think he's surged in the NY polls. And we've still got an entire week to go.

The last CBS poll shows her ahead by 10 points. This is a competitive race.

Bernie has a lot of enthusiasm in NY. He's also got some advantages as well.

We've got a debate coming up and several days of campaigning!

Both candidates will be out of the state this weekend, after the debate. Bernie in Italy and Hillary in California at her back-to-back $350,000 per plate fundraisers with George Clooney.

[anotherproletariat]

35. Time will tell...

[merrily]

3. I'd even give her Arkansas--not where she was born, but she spent enough time there.

Getting a NY address for the purpose of running for the position of U.S. Senator from NY is carpetbagging. And, yes, I know RFK did that, too. But I bet no one ever cahlled him a Noo Yawkah.

[still_one]

4. Which state does she pay her state income from. That is her home state

I was born in Iowa, but have lived in California for several decades. My home state is California, and that is where I pay taxes and vote

[Bubzer]

12. State of residency is not equivellent to home state. They are not the same thing.

Home state is where you were born...not where you choose to lay your head.

[still_one]

56. my home state is California, even though I was born in Iowa

[DemocracyDirect]

5. Did she win Illinois?

It looks like she only won Chicago.

And lost the rest of the state handily.

[Tarc]

6. Peddling the same arguments that the GOP does when they point to their big red maps in the fall?

Dirt doesn't vote, bro.

[DemocracyDirect]

9. You are calling people "dirt" because they didn't vote for Hillary Clinton?

That's a low blow.

[Tarc]

11. Rea-ding com-pre-hen-shion

You parroted the GOP's "point" that larger masses of land support their candidate, while the other side's are smaller. It is a false narrative that the other side has hardly any support, when in fact they do, it is just more concentrated in urban, thus high-density population, centers.

[DemocracyDirect]

13. I was just teasing you.

You have to admit it is a little weird seeing all these states with most counties solid green for Sanders and then just the city county dark blue for Clinton.

[Cali_Democrat]

22. It's actually not that weird and it has been happening since the beginning

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/03/02/bernie-sanders-loses-like-republican/rBEtRMQZHoBQSGDCf62GnN/story.html

[CoffeeCat]

41. The poster was discussing facts--the results of the Illinois election

How in the world is that a right-wing talking point?

Your "talking point"--is that every discussion, analysis and thought that isn't glowing about Hillary--is somehow a right-wing talking point--is bizarre.

The KKK doesn't support Bernie. The next time you're discussing a state in which Bernie lost, I'll be sure to be as intellectually consistent as you are when I say, "So, tired of you peddling the same KKK talking points!"

Like it or not, many groups, beyond the Hillary bubble, do not like her nor do they want her near the White House. That includes 99 percent of Republicans, most Independents and half of the Democratic party.

[questionseverything]

55. bernie won downstate 70/30

hc "won" the entire state by about 36,000 votes

many reports of ballots running out and even corrupt election officials not allowing students to register

[randome]

8. What is Albert Pujols' home team?

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Tarc]

10. News flash; people move from time to time

Hillary hasn't lived in Illinois since she was a teenager, I believe. Sanders hasn't lived in New York in almost 50 years.

Get over it.

[Bubzer]

14. That doesn't change what defines a home state. Get over it.

[Tarc]

16. If Clinton resides in New York, pays taxes as it is her primary residence, then yea

it kind of is her home state, bro. Much more so than a Vermonter who has not lived in New York since 1968.

This isn't 1890. People move around nowadays.

Give it a try, there's more to the world than your neighborhood.

[Bubzer]

18. That's not how Home States work... "bro". But please, continue.

[Tarc]

19. Actually, it does.

[Bubzer]

20. Actually, it doesn't.

[CajunBlazer]

15. Who has better claim to New York?

Someone who was born and raised there, but who got the hell out of Dodge as soon as he was old enough, or someone who voluntarily made New York her home for the last 16 years and then was twice elected as one of the New York's US Senators. Meanwhile, Bernie Sanders has been a resident of Vermont for the last 50 years. Who has a better claim to New York as her home state? Whoa that's a tough one.....

I was born, raised and went to college in Louisiana, but I haven't lived there since I was 22 years old. Therefore I no longer claim that Louisiana as my "home state". And, by the way, go back and look and Sanders speeches and writings since he first started running for office in Vermont. You be damn sure that he didn't claim New York as his "home state" until he started to look for votes in the New York State primary. Then all of a sudden it's, "Look everybody, I'm a native!"

[Bubzer]

17. You'll pardon me if I refuse to engage in the childish "My claim's better than yours" argument.

[CajunBlazer]

25. LOL!!!! You started this childish game with your OP!

And now that you have had your ass kicked playing your childish game you don't want to play any more? That sad, but still very funny.

[Bubzer]

26. See, that's where your wrong. You're playing games. I'm pointing out facts.

I don't waste time playing with people who want to act like children.

[CajunBlazer]

49. You are funny!

But now I am starting to feel sorry for you.

[Politicalboi]

57. She USED NY for that seat

Bernie actually grew up there. She didn't voluntarily make NY her home, she got the senate seat. Another quality she has. Using people to gain power.

Ain't gonna work this time.

[CajunBlazer]

66. If that was situation New York enjoyed being used.

New York elected Hillary to the Senate, despite your objections, not once but twice, so evidently they like being used in the Empire State.

And it is going "work this time". Sanders is going to lose big time in Brooklyn where he grew up and he is going to lose state wide.

The problem for Bernie is that he can't even survive a "statistical tie" in New York. If Sanders were to win 57% - 43% he would simply keep on pace to draw even with Hillary with pledged delegates by the time the last primary is done. That means that if Sanders needs to beat Hillary by 14% in New York. If he blows this opportunity in a huge electoral state like New York, the percentage he has to win by goes up dramatically in all the remaining states.

And noticed I haven't said a word about super delegates.

Right now the most favorable polls show Sanders 10 points behind. (Two polls which came out today show him 13 points behind, but I'm being kind here.) So in less than a week now Sanders has to make up those 10 points and then surge ahead of Hillary by 14 points. If you think that Bernie is going to be a beneficiary of 24 point turn around in less than a week, good luck with that.

[apnu]

21. Who gives a fuck?

W was born in Connecticut but everybody in Texas was happy to have him as a Texan. Nobody cares.

Don't we have better things to talk about and debate? Like policy maybe instead of this cafeteria food-fight bullshit?

[Bubzer]

23. It matters because it relates to messaging. The claim is New York is Hilly's home state when its not

If New Yorkers buy off on that false notion, they'll be more inclined to vote for her. So, in answer to your question about who gives a fuck.... lots of people do.

[randome]

28. No, the answer is that you hope they give a fuck.

Because you have so much time and energy invested in that. Seriously, did you poll the people of New York to determine their outrage levels?
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[Bubzer]

34. Just like you hope they wont give a fuck. Wow. You found me out. Gasp. What ever shall I do now.

I mean, people always post about things they don't care about on political websites right?

[apnu]

29. I know a lot of New Yorkers

Both in the City and Upstate, as well as Long Island. Nobody in New York cares. They know she's not "from" NY, lots of people aren't "from" New York and are accepted as New Yorkers.

I was born on Staten Island (don't laugh), but spent half my life in Chicago, I consider myself a Chicagoan, I love the city, I love the food, and I love the sports, nobody here cares I'm "from" NY.

Its distracting food fight bullshit. Its the same accusations of carpet bagging the Republicans tried and failed on her when she ran for the Senate. Bringing it up again is recycling Republican memes, that's damn sad.

BTW, I voted for Bernie in the IL primary, just want to make that clear before you accuse me of being a Hill-bot.

I'm fine arguing her positions and policies, but this stuff? Its juvenile retreading of Republican talking points. We are all better than that.

[Bubzer]

42. Call it what you like. It's not going to affect your vote? Good. You're not the whole of New York.

You don't speak for all of New York. I know folks in Syracuse who do care about where Hillary is actually from. It makes a difference to them...and I'm sure it'll make a difference to others. But go on ahead and pretend it doesn't matter.

[apnu]

51. And you keep on shilling with old Republican memes.

Hope that works out for you.

[Bubzer]

60. Yeah... I dont buy for a second that you're a bernie supporter.

So long!

[CajunBlazer]

40. So, let me get this straight...

You posted a OP on DU to inform New York voters that they are wrong if they believe that New York is Hillary's home state? Yep, I'm sure that you are going to reach a whole bunch of NY voters who aren't convinced one way or another using that method.

(I used the icon because I wasn't sure you would understand I was being sarcastic.)

[Bubzer]

47. Oh no... I use DU as a sound board. The important messages go elsewhere.

I just take insipid comments such as yours as examples of what to watch for. I can always count on the hillbots here to go ape-shit over any little thing that might cast a negative light on Her. Thanks for playing by the way!

[CajunBlazer]

50. Well you can consider this experimental message a failure

But it was a good choice to try it out first - that will save you a lot of public ridicule later.

[Bubzer]

61. Hah! *snort*... if only you knew. I'll take your comment under "advisement".

So long!

[CajunBlazer]

68. Yep, I am sure you have all kind of influence of the Democratic voters of NY

Let's talk after the NY primary. By the way, the two polls that came out today both show Sanders 13 points and he needs to beat Hillary 57% to 43% to keep on pace to catch Hillary in the pledged delegate category. So he needs to make up the catch up those 13 points he is behind and then beat by 14 points in the final voting.

So your boy needs a 27 point surge in less than a week just to keep on pace to catch Hillary by the time the last primary is run.

No problem right? When you dream of magic and unicorns anything is possible.

[Bubzer]

69. That 14 percentage point difference gets obliterated with a small 7 point increase.

Have a good one!

[CajunBlazer]

74. If you are that sure take a lot of money to Los Vegas

They will give you excellent odds on that propitiation..

[Bubzer]

75. Am I that sure a 7 percentage point increase would necesitate a 7 point drop from HRC? Absolutely!

7 measly little points... and that, of course, is presuming the polls are right. Which, by the way, I don't. Cheers!

[CajunBlazer]

80. You have always had trouble with math haven't you?

Right now Hillary holds a 13 point lead in the polls - so let's say it is Clinton 56.5% to Sanders 43.5% (a 13% gap) In order to earn enough delegates to be on pace to draw even with Clinton before the convention, Sanders would have to win New York by 14% - say Sanders 57.0% Clinton 43%. To make any real progress and make up for any future loses it would be best for him to win by far more than 14%, but anything less and Sanders falls further behind with New York a big missed opportunity.

Now you can look at the situation in one of two ways which are in the in perfectly identical. 1) Sanders would have to turn a predicted 14% loss into a 13% win meaning a 27% turnaround. Or you could say the same thing by saying that Sanders has to climb from a projected loss with 43.5% of the vote to a win with 57.0% of the vote - a gain of 13.5% while his opponent Clinton loses 13.5% of the vote.

Regardless of how wish to view the situation Sanders needs increase his totals by 13.5% not "7 measly little points".

And of course you don't believe the polls, as we have previously discussed, you don't let reality intrude into your life.

[Bubzer]

81. How difficult is it for you to understand percentage points hmmm?

If Bernie increases his percentage by 7 points, do you think Hillary would just magically stay at 57%? So, If I'm to follow your awfully strange logic, Bernie would be at 50% and hilly would be at 57%. So, now you believe there's extra 7% of votes that just appeared from thin air? *SMH*

Here's a clue for you... if Bernie's numbers go up, while Hillary is at a static number, her votes *gasp!* go down as an overall percentage! But hey... feel free to not let pesky things like math intrude into your life.

[CajunBlazer]

82. Okay, I get it. You are just handicapped on the math side.

This time will try to keep it very simple:

Right now Sanders is 12 points behind Hillary: Hillary 56% to Sanders 44% (difference 12%)

But on average Sanders is way behind in pledged delegates so he has to do more than just tie Hillary; he has to win 57% of the delegates in every remaining contest including New York.

So in New York Sanders has to win like this: Hillary 43% to Sanders 57% (difference 14%)

So if Sanders can go from 44% of the vote to 57% (while Hillary goes from 56% to 43%) Sanders will have done what he has to do in New York, if just barely.

So to improve from 44% of the vote to 57%: 57% - 44% = 13% - Sanders has to improve 13 points, not 7.

Bottom line: Sanders has to go from losing badly to winning big in New York in less than a week. Sanders is spending tons of money in New York because he simply cannot afford to lose the state or his campaign is for all practical purposes will be over. However, I will be extremely surprised if he can even pull into a "virtual tie" and split the delegates evenly with Hillary, and that is not near good enough.

If this is not simple enough, you're truly hopeless.

[Bubzer]

83. ROTFL... you start realizing your mistake and then deflect to the overal primary?

Nope. I'm done with you. Not going to simply stand here and let you move the goal posts on this conversation, so you can frame it that you were really talking about the overall primary... not when it's been exceedingly clear, this has been about New York. So, here's a fork... stick it in yourself, cause your done... and this conversation is over. So long.

[CajunBlazer]

84. I wish that for just one time you could stand within my shoes..

Lyrics from "Positively 4th Street" by Bob Dylan

I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment I could be you
Yes, I wish that for just one time you could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is to see you

[DebDoo]

58. I do. Because I'm a NYer and it pisses me off that she used

My state to worm her way into political office. And it angers me further that the wormhole she created is being used as proof of belonging when in reality she's nothing more than an unwelcome guest who's overstayed.

[KingFlorez]

27. Birth state doesn't equal home state

Sanders home state is Vermont, which in represents in the United States Senate.

[Bubzer]

31. Actually, thats exactly what birth state is.

There's a reason most people say they're "from" the state they were born in...because that's their home state. It's even defined in legalese as the location in which a child is initially a resident for 6 consecutive months. Hilly was in Illinois for much longer than 6 months from birth... making it her home state.

[KingFlorez]

43. However you want to frame it, Sanders isn't going to get a home state advantage

Clinton certainly didn't get any out of Illinois. In politics, home state advantage tends to come from where you have actually served, which is why Clinton is leading by double digits in New York. Sanders serves Vermont, not New York.

[Bubzer]

48. Heh... Next tuesday will reveal all either way.

Enjoy your day.

[msongs]

32. bernie couldnt get the heck out of brooklyn fast enough to go be a carpetbagger in vermont nt

[jillan]

36. That is such a f-ing lie! He left to go to one of the most prestigious Universities in the US.

Unless you are Rick Santorum, who thinks higher education is for snobs, most people support others who strive for a better education.

[Hiraeth]

37. lol

you funny

[jillan]

33. One of them has a birth certificate from NY, one doesn't. Your HOME state never changes no

matter where you end up.

[Hiraeth]

38. One is from wherever one was born. Cruz is from Canada. Nothing he can about it.

[CajunBlazer]

53. I'm sorry, but that statement is just plain dumb

[JoePhilly]

64. Hillary, show us your birth certificate!!!!

This thread is hilarious.

[jillan]

70. That's how I feel about people who say Bernie isn't from NY!

[CrowCityDem]

39. Semantically, both can be...

... and it's not as though Bernie wasn't touting Vermont as his home state. You can only have one, isn't that what you're saying?

[Bubzer]

62. They can both call themselves New Yorkers is they like. Thats more a matter of opinion.

Bernie's home state always was and is New York... that doesn't change just because he resides in Vermont. He may consider it his home (I'd be surprised if he didn't), but that doesn't change his home state.

[Jitter65]

44. Ah..but she chose to live there. Bernie chose to leave. nt

[upaloopa]

45. Which he left over 40 years ago and hasn't paid any attention to until lately

And a state he hasn't done shit for

[RandySF]

46. So I'm not a Californian because I was born in the Midwest?

More pretzel logic.

[Bubzer]

63. Hardly. Your home state doesn't change. Doesn't mean you cannot call yourself whatever you want.

Pretzel logic would be suggesting a person can just decide where their home state is. No one gets to decide where they're going to be born... life doesn't work that way. Unless you're a timelord I suppose... are you a timelord RandySF?

[hrmjustin]

52. And sanders was born in Brooklyn and he is going to lose Brooklyn and NYS.

[CajunBlazer]

54. And and he is going to lose to someone who is being called a "carpet bagger"

How sad is that for Bernie Sanders?

[BreakfastClub]

59. And Vermont isn't Bernie's home state. What the hell does it matter? He's still going to lose NY. nt

[Sheepshank]

65. he happened to be born there and bolted as soon as he turned 18

he contributed nothing to that state...apparently not even employment taxes haa haa haa

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

67. Is she a Yankees fan? Or a Cubs fan? That's the test! nt

[HereSince1628]

73. Interesting, why rule out the White Sox or Mets???

[Bubzer]

72. Good to know. Google still shows that hillary won.

[MFM008]

76. Id say

you Sanders guys would take a win is a win is a win. right?

[DesertFlower]

77. it should have nothing to do with what

state the candidate is from. it should be about who is most qualified.

[Bubzer]

79. It should. I agree. But politics has always been a petty little child who throws tantrums.

[Beacool]

78. So????

Sanders is still not going to win NY.

[Freddie Stubbs]

85. So it would be a big embarrassment if Bernie lost NY, right?