"Bernie's rigging the system" says Clinton campaign

[left-of-center2012]

Team Clinton: Sanders ‘rigging the system’ with quest for superdelegates
Hillary Clinton’s presidenital campaign on Tuesday accused Bernie Sanders of “rigging the system” by seeking to pick-off the superdelegates that have already pledged their support to Clinton.

“Really, I think when you talk about rigging the system, that’s what Sen. Sanders is trying to do now," Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon said on CNN’s 'New Day."
"Hillary Clinton has won in the popular vote by a wide margin. She’s got more than 2 million votes over Sen. Sanders in all of the contests when you add them all up.”

The Clinton campaign is accusing Sanders of trying to thwart the will of the people.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/275960-team-clinton-sanders-rigging-the-system-with-quest-for

[Faux pas]

1. Pot

meet kettle.

[FreakinDJ]

9. That's about as lame an excuse I've ever heard from Clinton

[Faux pas]

12. Yep

reeeeeks of desperation, for sure.

[FreakinDJ]

20. After Hillary used Super PAC funds to pay them off

[Chasstev365]

77. Pure Rovian Projection!

[Ferd Berfel]

80. my first thought on this too

[DemocracyDirect]

2. Ironic

Pot meet kettle.

[TheBlackAdder]

73. Roy L. Fuchs, "This country is going to the dogs..."

.


Roy L. Fuchs, from the movie, Used Cars:


"THIS COUNTRY IS GOING TO THE DOGS.

You know, it used to be when you BOUGHT A POLITICIAN, THAT SON OF A BITCH STAYED BOUGHT."





.

[azmom]

79. Perfect. LOL

[ViseGrip]

3. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Delegates dumped her for Obama in 08.

[Tarc]

4. I have no problem if Sanders himself wishes to talk to Clinton's superdelegates

He's free to make his pitch and talk, that is high right.

The problem is with Sanders' followers, who browbeat and harass the superdelegates via social media and other venues. That isn't cool at all.

[Buddyblazon]

14. Then go out and make them have another system...

It isn't illegal for supporters to put pressure on superdelegates....unless you regressers have changed the rules on us.

[Tarc]

47. What part of the word "harassment" do you find confusing?

[beedle]

65. The part where you think

a citizen using the power of their vote is comparable to 'harassment'.

If they can go out and 'ASK' for your vote, then the voter can "TELL" them what it will take for that to happen.

[left-of-center2012]

25. "Sanders' followers, who browbeat and harass the superdelegates"

Proof? Links?
Oh, you don't have any?

[Lucinda]

32. Nonsense. There have been many articles by supers about the harrassment.

Google is your friend.

[left-of-center2012]

48. "Google is your friend"

But you found no links.

[Lucinda]

71. I didn't intend to do your homework for you.

I'm not your PA darlin.

[Tarc]

49. Game, set, match

Bernie Sanders’s Supporters Press Hillary Clinton’s Superdelegates to Flip

Mr. Sanders and his backers are trying to cut into Mrs. Clinton’s large lead in pledged delegates by prying away some of her superdelegates. Rank-and-file Sanders activists have taken it upon themselves to assist, using social media, emails and phone calls in ways that have created a backlash among the very people Mr. Sanders is hoping to win over.

A California superdelegate backing Mrs. Clinton, Bob Mulholland, wrote a letter to Mr. Sanders this week saying the outreach to superdelegates from Sanders voters has gotten offensive, including calls coming late at night. Other superdelegates said they have gotten unwanted calls at work from Sanders backers, or have seen their Facebook pages flooded with warnings of political repercussions for supporting Mrs. Clinton.

[Vincardog]

52. We can't have voters threaten "political repercussions" if elected officials don't represent them

Can we?

[left-of-center2012]

56. Big yawn n/t

[beedle]

70. That's not harrassment

That's telling politicians that if they want your vote next time, and don't want them campaigning against you that they better pay attention to what, you the voter, is asking.

That's called democracy.

[Tarc]

72. Late-night phone calls are considered harassment

[IamMab]

76. You contact an elected official through their office, not by publishing their home phone numbers.

Your side employed Gamer-Gater tactics and it blew up in your faces.

How many times are you bros going to repeat the same behavior and expect different results, huh?

[Buddyblazon]

88. NOT REPURCUSSIONS!!!

ANYTHING BUT REPERCUSIONS!!

[JackRiddler]

74. In fact, they aren't "Clinton's" superdelegates.

Even if they've stated a commitment, they aren't anyone's until a convention floor vote. They are politicians and elected representatives and public figures involved in a supposedly democratic process, and people have a right to peaceably petition them.

Let the people have their primaries, as flawed as the process is.

[timmymoff]

86. Yes what a terrible idea for citizens to

write people in power. You never learned that in civics. But hey, they are far to fragile to be browbeat by people who would want them to say, honor the vote of the congressional district. Or county.

[pdsimdars]

5. Bernie's rigging the system by appealing to PEOPLE, actual voters

rather than the 1%.

[CrowCityDem]

40. Doing a great job of it too..... oh wait...

[Skink]

6. Well she did purchase them

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. Yeah, what's wrong with those delegates?

Once they've been bought, shouldn't they stay bought?

[CoffeeCat]

7. The Superdelegates ARE a rigged system

In effect, because the Superdelegates are a rigged ploy, what Clinton is really saying is, "This is our rigged system! Bernie is trying to horn in on our rigged system! That's not fair! The rigged system is ours!"

Dear God...is this an SNL skit, or what?

[JudyM]

11. Yeah, I hope they ask him about this on Thursday and that he spills the beans.

[FlatBaroque]

16. As I have said before, HRC is a walking, talking SNL skit.

SNL should be paying her ($250,000 minimum) for the material she generates for them.

[Rebkeh]

33. Exactly

Well said.

[frylock]

90. Something something Tad Devine.

Just wanted to get that TP out there.

[CoffeeCat]

92. The Tad Devine talking-points will arrive at the end of the month

End of month and end of quarter, is when the campaigns report their campaign contributions. So, the campaigns push for donatinons before these deadlines.

We heard a lot of "Something something Tad Divine" (as you said) as we neared the end of March.

Bernie outraised Hillary in Jan, Feb and March--and he has earned twice as many individual contributions.

So...I guess the scare tactics were pretty much a waste of time.

I'm sure as the end of April approaches, we will hear more "Something something Tad Devine."

[Buddyblazon]

8. Rigging the system?

SD's always come out with who they support early. But if that person blows it...their votes don't go on record until the convention. This is the system they put in place. "You can't take my superdelegates.". Fuck they can't. This is the system they put in place. Quit whining and go out and give your superdelegates a reason to cast their ACTUAL vote for you.

This is a fucking dumb one to bitch about. And anybody taking up this weak ass battle cry is just as dumb.

[FlatBaroque]

13. I will cherish Hillary Clinton losing again

for the good of the country, may her loss be to Bernie and not to a Repiglican

[KingFlorez]

15. Sanders is pushing for a contested convention even if he trails in pledged delegates

At least that is what his campaign manager seems to be implying. There is no reason the super delegates should flip to the candidate that does not have the pledged delegate lead.

[Skink]

18. Better just to cancel them

[KingFlorez]

28. Assuming that did happen

That would lower the required delegate threshold and Clinton would actually be closer to getting the required number. The race could very well be done at the end of the month if super delegates were "canceled".

[Buddyblazon]

19. If their state went overwhelmingly...

for the other candidate they sure as hell have a reason. If all their constituents voted for the other candidate...then absolutely they should follow their constituents lead.

[morningfog]

24. That is not "rigging" that is explicitly playing by the rules.

[Surya Gayatri]

60. Implying? You mean outright declaring in MSM interviews.

I've heard Weaver avocate for an "open" convention serveral times.

[TheSarcastinator]

17. The Clinton Cult is Openly Copying Karl Rove

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/8/1141830/-Karl-Rove-s-Handbook

"Tactic #1: Take the Offensive.
Tactic #2: Attack Your Opponent’s Strengths. (...)
Tactic #3: Accuse Your Opponent of What He/She is Going to Accuse You Of.
Tactic #4: Go Negative, Then Cry Foul.
Tactic #5: The “Big Lie”."

[Melissa G]

54. +1 n/t

[AgerolanAmerican]

55. it wouldn't surprise me if Rove is on Clinton's payroll

If Brock was OK, why not Rove too?

The only reason I can see for her not to hire him is that he actually kind of sucks at what he does.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

21. that's the problem with rigging a system. the rules can be used by the other side too.

[Politicalboi]

22. Is this for real

They are a sad and disgusting bunch. Just wait till Ca votes and the Queens votes will be surpassed by Bernie.

Bernie or BUST!!!!!! ESAD!!!! Hillary Coattails.

[berni_mccoy]

23. Those are some sweet tears....

[Scuba]

26. They call it 'rigging the system " and "class warfare ". I call it fighting back.

[oldandhappy]

27. oh gag!

[left-of-center2012]

29. "trying to thwart the will of the people"

Superdelegates aren't chosen by the people. They are typically state part officials, etc and not the delegates chosen in primaries and caucuses.

[Csainvestor]

30. super delegates should follow the will of the state

for example WA state super delegates should back bernie. The WA superdelegates should not follow the popular vote in mississippi or alabama as an excuse to back hillary.

They should follow the will of the people that voted for them in WA state, cause if they refuse to back bernie in WA, they may find themselves out of office.

[earthside]

31. Pretty stupid thing to say with the news from Colorado.

Sanders Did Even Better in Colorado Than Reported, But No One Told Him

[floppyboo]

66. Please make this a new post so I can Rec it! Go Bernie! nt

[bemildred]

34. When they say you are cheating, you know you are winning. nt

[Buzz Clik]

35. LOL! Sounds almost as dumb as the endless whining from the Sanders campaign. Almost.

[bkkyosemite]

36. .............

rofl: :

[Lizzie Poppet]

37. Their projection level...IT'S OVER 9000!!!

What an absolute travesty of a campaign, travesty of a candidate...

[Marr]

38. "I bribed them fair and square", says Hillary. /nt

[Sheepshank]

39. Bernie should not be running around claiming a rigged system

and then trying to rig that very same system. Makes one look like a hypocrit

[99th_Monkey]

44. I'd say Bernie's working to UN-rig the system & restore some balance & fairness. n/t

[frylock]

91. He's just trying to level the playing field.

[Rebkeh]

41. This is perfect

True to form...

Accuse the opponent of what you yourself do.

So transparent, but we see it. Carry on.

[Myrina]

42. OMG, can the projection from her camp get any more obvious?

[99th_Monkey]

43. I's a free country. Bernie can talk to super delegates. End of story. nt

[SHRED]

45. Straight from the Rovian playbook.

[jillan]

46. Hillary is just MAD that Bernie took away over 1000 PLEDGED Delegates from her.

They're mine! You can't have them Bernie!

[eShirl]

50. More like UNrigging the system. n/t

[suffragette]

51. Rigging is withholding actual caucus results from all but Hillary's campaign

To provide the illusion of better results than she had.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511713519

[EndElectoral]

53. Continually playing the victim.

[2banon]

57. Clinton campaign "day is night-night is day" rhetoric is hillarious.

very early on in the campaign, Chelsea is video taped telling voters that Bernie wants to completely dismantle Health Care, and Social Security.

Have to hand it to them, they do have an astonishing ability to deliver a lie with a smile and a wink.. Charming isn't it?

[left-of-center2012]

58. You have to believe Chelsea !

Or the "Big Dog" will get mad.

[TheProgressive]

59. How can anybody, in good conscience, vote for Clinton?

Has Clinton demonstrated any honor or ethics?

[left-of-center2012]

61. "Has Clinton demonstrated any honor or ethics?"

Yes.
When she reportedly threw a lamp at Bill during the Monica Lewinsky affair.

[Orsino]

62. Have thay forgotten the difference between pledged delegates and superdelegates?

Good to see the narrative shift, though, from "no way the supers would flip" to "mean old Bernie better not force any to flip."

[left-of-center2012]

63. The lies just keep on coming

And Hillary's trustworthiness keeps on dropping.

[mhatrw]

64. George Orwell would be proud of Hillary. nt

[dana_b]

67. "Hillary Clinton has won in the popular vote by a wide margin."

She hasn't "won" anything yet as the primaries are not finished!! I have not voted yet and I'll be damned if they will silence me or anyone else who hasn't voted by saying "she's won - just pack it in". Fuck that noise!

"The Clinton campaign is accusing Sanders of trying to thwart the will of the people."
No, Hillary. YOU are thwarting the will of people who haven't even had a chance to SPEAK yet!! ARGH!!!

[litlbilly]

68. they didnt even give andy borowitz the chance to do that first:)

[Avalux]

69. Does Hillary want my vote if she's the nom? Apparently not using tactics like these.

Emulating the GOP isn't what I want from a Democratic candidate. I can't justify it and say it's ok because "they do it".

Hillary Inc. is a monster.

[SFnomad]

83. You sound like you already are the GOP ... just calling yourself a BS cheerleader n/t

[Avalux]

87. Yeah.....right.

[IamMab]

75. The truth hurts, huh?

Desperate days in the Sanders camp...

I'm sure if you all sent them more money things will turn around eventually. HAHAHAHA!

[realmirage]

82. Free college!

Don't pay attention to election stealing, just remember - free college.

[Nanjeanne]

78. Worst candidate ever.

[azmom]

81. From the campaign that declared themselves the

winners in Iowa, ahead of the media, because they had the superdelegate vote.

They have lost their minds.

[Android3.14]

84. I know what to do

I think I will file this last one in the same file as the racist jokes and the white noise machines, "Unethical people saying stupid things".

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

85. A great Rovian accusation.

Accuse your opponent of committing the wrong that you are doing.

Slick.

[DemocracyDirect]

89. Superdelegates aren't going to switch sides until the right moment.

Let's see what happens in Philadelphia.